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National 2nd Amend. Political & Legal Discussion Discuss national gun rights and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel.

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Old 04-14-2019, 11:20 AM
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As for the ACLU’s current approach to gun control, the organization’s deputy legal director, Louise Melling, explained it this way last year:

When analyzing gun control measures from a civil liberties perspective, we place them into one of three categories. First are laws that regulate or restrict particular types of guns or ammunition, regardless of the purchaser. These sorts of regulations generally raise few, if any, civil liberties issues. Second are proposals that regulate how people acquire guns, again regardless of the identity of the purchaser. These sorts of regulations may raise due process and privacy concerns, but can, if carefully crafted, respect civil liberties. Third are measures that restrict categories of purchasers — such as immigrants or people with mental disabilities — from owning or buying a gun. These sorts of provisions too often are not evidence-based, reinforce negative stereotypes, and raise significant equal protection, due process, and privacy issues.
More at: https://reason.com/2019/04/12/the-ac...-of-gun-owner/

Read the rest of the article after the quote above to "unpack" the implications/applications of their 3 categories for civil rights litigation.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:36 AM
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The ACLU is only a 2A ally when it suits them. Some rights are more equal than others.
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Old 04-14-2019, 12:08 PM
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the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey announced its lawsuit on behalf of two public high school students who were suspended because they posted pictures of themselves at a gun range on Snapchat
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Whenever the words "reasonable" or "common sense" enter the conversation, it means that someone wants THEIR OPINION or "feelings" to be the correct and legal definition, and you're in the danger zone.

OPINION and FEELINGS make lousy laws. Period.

The Constitution was designed to protect the individual over the collective that might deem the rights of the individual to be inferior for one reason or another to those of the collective.

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Old 04-14-2019, 2:53 PM
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These sorts of provisions too often are not evidence-based, reinforce negative stereotypes, and raise significant equal protection, due process, and privacy issues.


I call BS. All 2A infringements meet those exact criteria.

How are all the phony, made up, feel good, "we gotta do something" laws forced on law abiding citizens not inclusive of "civil rights"?

not evidence-based.....Like made up terminology like "SNS and AW". So leftists can target specific types of guns for incremental exclusion from 2A protections.

reinforce negative sterotypes.....Like all "NRA members support murderers and mass shooters".

significant equal protection......Like cops get unsafe guns, not LACs, cops get big mags, not LACs, politicians get LAC paid for security, LACs get no right of security at all.

due process..... Like RED FLAG LAWS.

privacy issues.....Like massive state and federal databases of "REGISTERED" LAC gun owners.





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Old 04-14-2019, 3:10 PM
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They have zero credibility. There is no such thing as a “collective right”. Under that penumbra, “we” have a right to speak and worship freely, but no individual does. So you can speak as long as we approve and worship as we see fit.

Come to think of it, that sounds pretty much like the left.


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ACLU historically has always been anti-2nd Amendment. They are even more so now, because their current paying membership gone from liberal to progressive/socialist. They now even parcel defense of the 1st Amendment, especially if it means defending conservative freedom of speech. There have been plenty of articles and published opinions on the subject. Just Google for it if you want.
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Old 04-14-2019, 5:17 PM
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Kind of simple if you think of it. How will those disgraces turn our nation into a liberal cesspool if we are armed. Right now we have two sides. One has tons of guns and ammo, hunts, fishes and are not afraid to tell people where to go. The other does not understand that "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina"
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So basically the opposite of what makes sense and will cause maximum trouble for us.
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Notice that the basis of the article is how the ACLU is defending the 1A of 2 NJ high school students who were suspended for posting pictures of themselves on social media with guns. That is not a 2A case other than the guns were legal for them to possess and they were not engaged in illegal activities. In no way was it a threat to the school or other students. It is squarely a 1A right.
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Old 04-14-2019, 6:32 PM
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As the title suggests, it's not about defending the 2nd Amendment.

The ACLU sees it as a 'collective right' and openly disagrees with the outcome in Heller. What is interesting is that even those who disagree with Heller, vehemently parse that decision, pointing to those portions they think are useful to them; e.g., the Second Amendment right is not unlimited... It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose... The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on... In fact, as the article indicates, some of that could have been taken directly from the ACLU's position as of 1991.

The portion quoted in the OP is also consistent with what was espoused in the 1991 letter...

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The ACLU does not believe that the Second Amendment provides individuals with an unlimited constitutional right to possess any and all weapons; we therefore believe that legislatures may adopt reasonable restrictions.
In other words, even if we were to accept the erroneous notion that it is a collective and not an individual right, the ACLU is NOT a 'defender' of the Second Amendment and never has been. As the article notes...

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...the ACLU is prepared to defend the civil liberties of ... gun owners, but only if the policies they challenge impinge on something more than the Second Amendment...
Put another way, the organization is not interested in civil liberties. They are interested in defending their means to promote agenda and the Second Amendment ain't on their agenda.
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so the ACLU is cool with infringing civil liberties and rights as long as everyone is infringed equally? Nice going.
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They want gun rights for illegal aliens.
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Retarded lawyers who can't count from 1 to 10 without skipping 2.
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Gotta love the collective right argument because its so logical.

That means there is no individual right to speech, worship or press. #1
number #4 the collective right be secure in their papers etc.

these ACLU people should be required to register as a subversive entity!
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Too many vague definitions being tossed around. "Common sense". To who? What they?

Shouldn't it be thought of a "overly restrictive" or something like that?
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WHAT'S IN A NAME?

Even their name is a leftist LIE.

To them, the 2nd and 14th amendments don't apply as "Civil Liberties".
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