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Jesus DID promise it would get worse, before it got better - John 15.
yep! it's hard to believe how america is becoming and heading towards godless nation. reminds me of Noah's time and sodom and gomorrah. sigh!

anyway, thank you John McArthur for staying faithful and obedient to the God of the Bible.
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yep! it's hard to believe how america is becoming and heading towards godless nation. reminds me Noah's time and sodom and gomorrah. sigh!

anyway, thank you John McArthur for staying faithful and obedient to the God of the Bible.
Its interesting that you reference those two events. Both events are associated with prompting God's judgment. I believe God's next judgment will be the Tribulation.
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In J. Vernon McGee's commentaries he explains that Isaiah 1 and 2 present the steps in the downfall of a nation like this one. It starts with apostasy, which transitions to moral awfulness, and finally, to the endgame, which is political anarchy.

McGee died in 1988, and in at least one message said publicly that he believed the US was in the final stage before he died.

I would like to think that we could still experience a large-scale revival.
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Its interesting that you reference those two events. Both events are associated with prompting God's judgment. I believe God's next judgment will be the Tribulation.
a friend of mine emailed me few days ago and he mentioned about the chaos and demonic like behavior he's seeing. and as i was replying to his email, i remembered Matthew 24: 37-39, Genesis 6:5, 11 & 13, 2 Thessalonians 2:3. we are truly leaving in the last days. it sad (for america) and scary but at the same time excited for Jesus' reappearing. Come soon King Jesus.
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A judge just ruled that John MacArthur can hold indoor services with singing! Of course, social distancing and mask are required but it’s still a win over Los Angeles.

https://capstonereport.com/2020/08/1...sential/34828/

https://www.toddstarnes.com/faith/vi...JPywnKvh3tvzik
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A judge just ruled that John MacArthur can hold indoor services with singing! Of course, social distancing and mask are required but it’s still a win over Los Angeles.

https://capstonereport.com/2020/08/1...sential/34828/

https://www.toddstarnes.com/faith/vi...JPywnKvh3tvzik
there still some sane judge left afterall.
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Just got an email from our pastor. We are holding our services indoors with air conditioning tomorrow! Hallelujah!
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A judge just ruled that John MacArthur can hold indoor services with singing! Of course, social distancing and mask are required but it’s still a win over Los Angeles.



https://capstonereport.com/2020/08/1...sential/34828/



https://www.toddstarnes.com/faith/vi...JPywnKvh3tvzik

Were they social distancing before? Pastor MacArthur wants everyone who wants to attend to be able to and social distancing would greatly reduce the number of people permitted in the building.

I’m wondering if GCC will follow the ruling?


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And now they are prohibited from meeting again. Ridiculous.

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Late-Night California Court Ruling Upholds Ban on Indoor Church Services

The California Court of Appeal issued a late-night ruling that upholds a ban on churches holding indoor services.

The ruling sets aside a lower court’s decision on Friday that would have allowed Pastor John MacArthur and Grace Community Church to hold an indoor services.

The Court of Appeal said immediate action was necessary because MacArthur planned to conduct worship services on Sunday morning.

“As between the harm that flows from the heightened risk of transmitting COVID-19 and the harm that flows from having to conduct religious services outdoors instead of indoors, the balance at this early stage favors issuance of a stay,” the three-judge panel wrote.

The judges said Los Angeles County had the right to ban “indoor religious activity.”

Los Angeles County issued a statement praising the court’s crackdown on church services.

Government leaders said they will permit Christians to worship — but only outdoors.

“Participants must wear cloth face coverings and maintain six feet of diacnes from each other unless they live in the same household,” they wrote.

Let me be clear – every church in California must rise up and defy the court’s ruling. We cannot and we must not allow government leaders to dictate how, when and where we can practice our faith.
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Argh! There goes today’s services. Back to outdoors in 106 degrees.
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satan is roaming around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour! demonic judges on full display.
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Very hot outdoors in the AV from 9am to 10:30am. 100 degrees, smoke from the Lake fire and.... no wind. Very draining and fatiguing. I prayed for rain during the service.
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MacArthur & attorneys prevail again.

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BREAKING: John MacArthur wins another round in LA court

Oops! Los Angeles County told Court would not find John MacArthur in contempt of court because no court order was in place to prevent indoor worship services at Grace Community Church.
The County of Los Angeles asked a Los Angeles Superior Court to find Pastor John MacArthur and Grace Community Church in contempt of court for holding indoor worship services. There was only one problem: there was no court order against indoor services. So, the court rejected this attack on Pastor MacArthur and Grace Community Church’s religious liberty.

This is the third time Los Angeles County has hauled John MacArthur and Grace Community Church into court, according to Thomas More Society Special Counsel Jenna Ellis and Charles LiMandri, who are representing the church.

Ellis accused Los Angeles County of continuing a policy of harassment against Pastor MacArthur and Grace Community Church.

Ellis responded to the judicial finding in a statement: “We are pleased with the outcome today. Judge Mitchell L. Beckloff correctly found there is no court order prohibiting Grace Community Church from holding indoor services. LA County continues to harass and target Pastor MacArthur. Having failed to get a court order to shut down the church they have sought three times, they’re going to try again by hauling us back into court. Ironically, LA County said in its application for contempt that, ‘Grace Church cannot thumb its nose at the court when decisions don’t go its way,’ yet that’s precisely what LA County is now doing themselves.
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Gave a heads up on this posting to to a international intercessors/prayers organization on this news item so they can keep this pastor and his people in continual prayer covering the travesty gubnor newsome and the power hungry mob in LA County keeps pushing. Long sentence but necessary.

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The churches across this country need to rise up against the tyranny of the government.
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I just watched it.

I liked Pastor MacArthur's take on how sin is countered:

1. Individual
2. Family
3. Government
4. Church

It's terrifying that society in large has declared war on all four of those fronts.
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just declare it a weekly george floyd memorial service
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what infuriates me the most are the gutless christians who side with the gub! and their twisted reasoning regarding beer flu!

with a strong, committed stand on God's Word. his sermons must be acidic to weak chrisitans and pastors but transformative to those who are genuinely seeking God.

i would love to have a pastor like him and be glad to attend his church that doesn't cater to useless feel good weak christians (not talking about new converts).
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California's politicians and unionized government employees are a crime gang raping the taxpayers beyond belief and destroying the great state of California. But then that is what the voters wanted.
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I just watched it.

I liked Pastor MacArthur's take on how sin is countered:

1. Individual
2. Family
3. Government
4. Church

It's terrifying that society in large has declared war on all four of those fronts.
I thought that was a great insight and a great conclusion.

Did not know this, but apparently Gavin and John MacArthur have faced off before:

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Do ya see the sly serpents grin/smirk on gavin's face ? I do.

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I thought that was a great insight and a great conclusion.

Did not know this, but apparently Gavin and John MacArthur have faced off before:

Gavin, Pelosi, and Biden all say they're practicing Catholics, as if that gives credence to their positions, but then their policies are antithetical to biblical views.
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Gavin, Pelosi, and Biden all say they're practicing Catholics, as if that gives credence to their positions, but then their policies are antithetical to biblical views.
A tree is known by the fruit it produces. I can't see the heart, and know of people who came to saving faith late in life, so I'm not writing them off entirely-- I do believe God is mighty to save-- but I will say that at this point in time I wonder what evidence they can point to in their own lives which suggests they really worship the living God. If I had to guess I would say they worship power and wealth, maybe other perqs of public "service."
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Do ya see the sly serpents grin/smirk on gavin's face ? I do.

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DJT called JMac to affirm their efforts:

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Allie Beth Stuckey posted an interview with JMac from Monday, 8/24 (today) regarding the latest. The State of California lied about GCC violating a court order.

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Thanks shooter for putting up this video ! Much needed truth set forth in the face of BS fear tactics.

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I read the MacArthur item where the church reportedly accused the state of infringing on their religious freedom. I must
be missing something as I am having a hard time trying to understand the claim that religious groups are being persecuted
or rights being infringed as if churches are being being singled out in an act of pure repressive discrimination.

The article quoted a Jack Hibbs, the pastor of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills in California, who told the 'Todd Starnes
Show' that the American faithful read the Bible and wonder how they would react when faced with government-sponsored
persecution, but he said we are facing that now.

Religious groups have the right to assemble, worship as they please, practice their belief in any way they see fit in
their church. To support this churches have automatic special tax exempt status under IRC section 501(c)(3) where the
non-profit status of religious organization is granted no matter their denomination. Religious groups regardless of
denomination receive special property tax exemptions for their church. This special tax gift shifts the burden to all
other tax payers to absorb where even an atheist must participate in sharing this special tax gift given to religious
groups. With this special tax gift churches receive the same immediate response from police and fire agencies, and
access to social services supported by county government agencies.

Also, religious entities can be exempt from generally applicable anti-discrimination laws, can refuse to follow ACA
mandates about coverage of preventive medical care, and can force the state government to send them public funds for
students at their private religious schools.

The other issue here is Newsom did order casinos closed, but the Indian Tribal governments and the casinos they operate
in California are exempt from state regulation as sovereign governments. There are exceptions to that which may take time
to sort out this legal distinction.

Where is this horrible persecution? I'm not seeing it. I thought there was a little something out there in the community
called COVID-19 which is what is actually driving this? All the gifts from government to religious entities, and now the
state government is just asking on a 'temporary' basis to figure out another way to practice religion consistent with
science based facts.

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^^I don't see how non-church goers are hurt by the government not collecting property tax from churches. People don't pay more taxes because the church isn't paying. Everyone pays according to Prop 13. You think CA will reduce your property tax if they started collecting taxes from the church? No way. Income tax and sales tax have steadily increased. They'll just have more money to waste. It's similar to the argument that property owners with no school age kids make regarding their property tax being used for schools. There are indirect benefits.

As for churches using up social services: CA sucks plenty of taxes already from its residents- highest in the country at 13.3%. I never had to use fire department or the police. Should I get a refund?

"Also, religious entities can be exempt from generally applicable anti-discrimination laws, can refuse to follow ACA
mandates about coverage of preventive medical care, and can force the state government to send them public funds for
students at their private religious schools." <---- I don't think that's true. Did a quick google search. I could be wrong. Please cite sources.

The horrible persecution is, just like you said, we're being denied the right to freely exercise our religion and to peaceably assemble. Newsom is threatening fines, jail time and removing water and power to those who defy his orders.

Yes, science is not being ignored either. Death projections were grossly miscalculated. Shouldn't the regulatory policies be amended based on current results. Also, people younger than 60 are low risk. Seems to me that the Government is the one ignoring science.
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# 73 poster: just look around, its an attempt to put the churches/synagoqes in " THEIR " place in society, under the thumb of damn fool politicos who don't like the current freedoms they enjoy. I can see it, its plain enuff to see.

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I read the MacArthur item where the church reportedly accused the state of infringing on their religious freedom. I must
be missing something as I am having a hard time trying to understand the claim that religious groups are being persecuted
or rights being infringed as if churches are being being singled out in an act of pure repressive discrimination.

The article quoted a Jack Hibbs, the pastor of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills in California, who told the 'Todd Starnes
Show' that the American faithful read the Bible and wonder how they would react when faced with government-sponsored
persecution, but he said we are facing that now.

Religious groups have the right to assemble, worship as they please, practice their belief in any way they see fit in
their church. To support this churches have automatic special tax exempt status under IRC section 501(c)(3) where the
non-profit status of religious organization is granted no matter their denomination. Religious groups regardless of
denomination receive special property tax exemptions for their church. This special tax gift shifts the burden to all
other tax payers to absorb where even an atheist must participate in sharing this special tax gift given to religious
groups. With this special tax gift churches receive the same immediate response from police and fire agencies, and
access to social services supported by county government agencies.

Also, religious entities can be exempt from generally applicable anti-discrimination laws, can refuse to follow ACA
mandates about coverage of preventive medical care, and can force the state government to send them public funds for
students at their private religious schools.

The other issue here is Newsom did order casinos closed, but the Indian Tribal governments and the casinos they operate
in California are exempt from state regulation as sovereign governments. There are exceptions to that which may take time
to sort out this legal distinction.

Where is this horrible persecution? I'm not seeing it. I thought there was a little something out there in the community
called COVID-19 which is what is actually driving this? All the gifts from government to religious entities, and now the
state government is just asking on a 'temporary' basis to figure out another way to practice religion consistent with
science based facts.
Across the land, churches and their leaders have been threatened with citations, fines, imprisonment and having their utilities shut off for exercising their first amendment rights.

The Wuhan flu is a red herring. Notice that Islamic Mosques are not being threatened. Just Christian churches and Jewish temples.

It’s a tell.
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"science based facts".... which ones exactly, as they change every day?

While early on there was reasonable concern about a potential threat, cases are declining (after the rioting created second wave), fatality rates have been steadily low and dropping, yet we are still ordered to comply with insane restrictions because "science".

Meanwhile, if you're a domestic terrorist, you're free to run in the streets and Burn Loot Mayhem all you want, but if you wish to "congregate" with other believers and lift up worship and the spiritual health of your nation and community, you are bullied and threatened....

Wake up, we're being "snookered" - yes there's a nasty bug going around, but the numbers are being manipulated for reasons having nothing to do with actual public health and safety, and everything to do with keeping people scared, isolated, and chasing their tails (let's not forget attacking each other over stupid things like masks) instead of living our lives and moving forward as a country....


I've seen the suggestion the "side effects" of the continued shenanigans are killing more through suicide, depression, isolation, critical healthcare delayed, and many other damaging infringements on our lives... than the virus itself.

Church provides a vital connection, and sense of community (remember how we're being told "we're all in this together" while being forced to isolate?!), along with many other POSITIVE things.... it's not hard to figure out why the "goobermint" (esp the Dems) has a vested interest in preventing that positive influence.

I've begun to wonder if ALL the churches co-ordinate to reopen simultaneously, what would the authorities even be able to do....? Put us all in camps or something?

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How about ALL Christians vote Republican and throw these scumbags out of office?

Still can't understand why Christians keep voting democrat.
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How about ALL Christians vote Republican and throw these scumbags out of office?



Still can't understand why Christians keep voting democrat.

I have a hard time reconciling how a Christian can side with a party that supports abortions. Yes I know we shouldn’t vote on one issue or policy.

But abortion is murder. There’s no way around it. Until the democrats change their stance I will not vote for them.


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Apparently the outcome has been different in other counties.
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"Cafeteria Christians" - pick and choose what they like or don't like. From this shifting sand position of relativism, they can vote for whatever tickles their itching ears...

No different really from every one doing what "seems" right to them, but apparently the "Christian" label gives a warm fuzzy false sense of comfort?
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DB, NOT with me it doesn't ! I don't wear a Christian label, I am a Christian by choice and act and live as one by doing my best to travel life's road by the help and direction I find in the Bible and with active fellowship with other believers on this journey. I have not met yet a " Cafeteria Christian " but I have met alot of people struggling with their own doubts and fears and willingness to follow the easiest path of least resistance. Maybe take another look at the parable of the sower and the four soils/hearts the seed fell upon.

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