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Old 10-04-2019, 3:29 AM
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:17 AM
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Time = Money. What is your time worth?
It's not like you have to take unpaid time off work to reload.
What pay rate do you use for your leisure time?
How much do you get paid for sleeping, eating and using the restroom outside of work time?
That last one is the rate you use to calculate what your time is worth while reloading.
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It's not like you have to take unpaid time off work to reload.
What pay rate do you use for your leisure time?
How much do you get paid for sleeping, eating and using the restroom outside of work time?
That last one is the rate you use to calculate what your time is worth while reloading.
I think reloading is the only hobby where people try to calculate a ROI
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Think of it like building models that actually do something and does save some money.
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It depends how many rounds you shoot a month ? For me , it is worth it, it save money, it keep my a** away from TV, it keep me away from the bar, definite force me to quit smoking, it keep me busy doing something instead of b*tching thing around me, instead of doing nothing I can spend time at my "man cave", learn something new …..

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If I didn't load my own ammo I would Never have been able to Cowboy Shoot with My two Kids 3 times a month for almost 5yrs.

Even had to buy commercial cast bullets a lot of the time.

Rolling your own is one of the most satisfying parts of being a Shooter.
Until you've put 5rds into the 10Ring with ammo you created yourself you won't be able to understand.

It's not always about the money.
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Old 10-04-2019, 3:51 PM
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I think reloading is the only hobby where people try to calculate a ROI
Reloading is not the right hobby for people that do that.
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For me reloading is absolutely worth it. And apparently I'm one of the rare folks that actually does save money in doing so.
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Old 10-05-2019, 8:48 AM
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Reloading is not the right hobby for people that do that.
To be fair; the ROI is usually to justify the expense to spouse ;-)
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Time = Money. What is your time worth?
That formula doesn't work for hobbies.

If I had a choice, to spend 30 minutes at the range or to spend 3 hours at the range, I would pick 3 hours. Because "time = money" is the opposite of reality in that case.

Time I'm spending doing something I like is not "wasted". And unlike many other hobbies, reloading can actually decrease costs of another hobby.

I won't change the oil in my car. I know how to do that, but that's not fun so I'll apply "how much my time is worth". Wheel Works will do it for $25, so I'm definitely not doing it myself. Would I hire some guys to go shoot my rifles at the range while I'm saving my time's worth? NOPE. Same thing with reloading. If you like it, it's worth it.

I also like the idea to pay $0 to the state when I get my ammo.
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i try to look at a few factors when considering reloading. it is a skill that could be valuable someday if ammo is suddenly cut off or becomes very limited. if done in my leisure time no different than any other hobby expense wise. i can control my loads of powder, primers, etc and custom make my rounds rather than one generic round fits all of a particular caliber. In the present day world things are cheaper time wise to buy generally acceptable over the counter rounds for whatever caliber but those times may not last. Just look at how restrictive we have become in the last fifty years. where will we be in another fifty years. and we are talking about skill here not major money and time really. But justify it or not as you see fit.
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Time = Money. What is your time worth?
I have some buddies that think that way. I ask them when was the last paycheck they got they make for sitting around all night playing computer games and jacking their lumber and they never have an answer for me. Bummer cause I want to sign up for this magical payroll that pays you for leisure time.

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To be fair; the ROI is usually to justify the expense to spouse ;-)
you should rent. It's cheaper that way
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Didn't read any comments about going in halves with a friend on reloading...

That's what I did. We split the cost of all the equipment and supplies. This made reloading a money saver, big time for us. The equipment has already paid for itself in less than 2 years.

Here's a sneaky tip, keep the reloading equipment at your friend's house. No mess in the garage for the wife to complain about. And the unexpected bonus, my friend lives minutes from work so he reloads during his lunch hour. I hardly get the chance to reload until the odd Sunday we can meet up.
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I will likely never make back the money I spend on reloading supplies. Or any other hobby either. But I go to work to earn money and I like to spend a bit of it on my hobbies. Plus I have kids so any money I thought I might save by reloading is a joke in comparison to raising kids.
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Time = Money. What is your time worth?
This is true if you take time off work to do something. Like if you take a day off to reload, that's not good economic sense. If you you come home from work and want to reload, well then nobody is paying you to watch TV or read a book either.
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I know a lot of people get into reloading to save money, but is it really worth it?
Not if you have to learn how to do it from fguffey.
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Not if you have to learn how to do it from fguffey.
You trying to stir up a lot of "tension" by bringing up that name?

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You trying to stir up a lot of "tension" by bringing up that name?
He's not stirring up tension.
He's stirring up tensions, temperatures and masses...
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He's not stirring up tension.
He's stirring up tensions, temperatures and masses...
We don't have the Head space for that either
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I think he was saying it's better to datum than to get married.
nice pun but nope.

I mean full on rental. At a place the rents rooms by the half hour. Mexico is a nice place. Rates are cheep and the beer is good.
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In the last 9 years, I have shot almost 235,000 rounds. I shoot mainly 9mm and .40 but theres some .45 and .223 in there as well.

At some point I started loading and I started on a dillon 1050. When I originally did the math, I think I had priced it out such that at my then consumption of ammunition, the Dillon would pay for itself within 9 months or so.

A few years later, I bought a mark7 autodrive for the dillon to turn it fully automated. All I really have to do now to load ammo is keep the thing fed with primers, bullets, brass and powder. It loads at an effective rate of 2,000 rounds per hour while I do other things in the garage.

I track everything in excel so i just did the math for my rough reloading costs versus buying factory. Its not a 100% accurate since I only have reloading costs for 9/40 but its close enough for comparison.

The difference is almost a $30,000 savings with reloading. $5k-6k of that covers the reloading press and auto drive.

So, very much worth it for me. I havent factored in the cost of time which is substantial, but starting out with a 1050 and then automating it later on has at least minimized the time investment as much as I can.
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yeah I go with 5 boxes every weekend to the range at a cost to me of about $20 (not counting my time qnd I cast them also) so over a year thats a saving compared to store bought at 25? saving 80 per week x 52 = $4160 so paid off my dillion long a go.
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Depends on what your criteria for "worth it" means. I got started during the Great Ammo Shortage of 2009, and it was to ensure that I would actually *have* ammo with which to practice, at all. The fact that I was also saving money was just a nice side-benefit. I will always have ammo because I can reload. This proved prophetic after the horrible incident at Sandy Hook in late 2012. You couldn't find .22LR ammo, or .223/5.56, to save your life. Didn't hurt my range frequency one bit. Why? My .22LR range substitute was a light .38 Spl load out of the .38/357 levergun; I call it the "reloadable .22".

But what about right now, when there is no ammo shortage? The question then becomes much closer to purely financial, especially for rounds like 9mm and .223/5.56. The answer to that depends a lot on the ammo that you're shooting and how much you're shooting it. For 9mm, you've got to do it in bulk to see the savings; @digby's point is well made, given how much he shoots.

For me, I happen to shoot mostly, though not exclusively, revolver cartridges, specifically .38/357, .44 Spl/Mag, and .45 Colt. All of my presses paid for themselves within no more than six months of purchase. In the case of the .45 Colt, it was rather dramatic, specifically with what I call my ".45 Colt Magnum" loading. This is essentially a Buffalo Bore-type loading intended only for Rugers and T/C's and is about the same power as a full-house .44 Magnum loading. Given that a box of 50 would cost over $80 last I checked Buffalo Bore's Web site, and given that I can make that same "Magnum-style" loading for a tenth of that price, my .45 Colt setup paid for itself after two and a half boxes of ammo. Yep, you read that right--about 2.5 boxes.

So, the answer, as with many things, is: "it depends". For me, it's definitely worth it.
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For me it is therapeutic and at the same time I can save a little money and or make better loads. I load 9mm, .223, .380, and 300blk. While i dont save a lot on 9mm and .223 all my loads shoot better than factory and a little cheaper.
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For me it is therapeutic and at the same time I can save a little money and or make better loads. I load 9mm, .223, .380, and 300blk. While i dont save a lot on 9mm and .223 all my loads shoot better than factory and a little cheaper.
I feel like a lesser man when I buy a box of ammo now.

I try and make it a point to say I reload for all my firearms except my 9mms.

Between my CNC mini mill conversion, 3D printer, and reloading bench, my garage is starting to fill up quite nicely.
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I feel like a lesser man when I buy a box of ammo now.

I try and make it a point to say I reload for all my firearms except my 9mm’s.

Between my CNC mini mill conversion, 3D printer, and reloading bench, my garage is starting to fill up quite nicely.
I buy 22lr
Everything else I reload for. Everything. from 22 hornet to 458 Lott I currently load for 24 different calibers.

I'm going to wait for the state to tell me "We see you own guns but you have yet to buy ammo under the new system so we assume you don't need your guns anymore"
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I enjoy reloading about as much as shooting. To others it's a chore.
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I reload for all my guns except the SKS, and the ammo I make is all very accurate, and cheaper than WOLF. Not to mention saving sometimes more than $1.00/rd for .50 BMG.

You gotta enjoy it for the savings to be worth it though.
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I buy 22lr
Everything else I reload for. Everything. from 22 hornet to 458 Lott I currently load for 24 different calibers.

I'm going to wait for the state to tell me "We see you own guns but you have yet to buy ammo under the new system so we assume you don't need your guns anymore"
Yeah, I was thinking more of walking into a gun store and buying a couple boxes of 9mm...I buy 22LR by the case.
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Some reload to save money. Some reload for better quality control. I view reloading as its own hobby, and I enjoy it for its own sake. There is something zen-like relaxing about going through the same repetitive movements over and over.
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When you need 350 Remington mag and it is mail order only and 80$ for 20 you make your own . 44 and 45 LC are more affordable .
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As I explained to my wife, the more reloading equipment and components I buy... I'm practically shooting for free.

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