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Old 08-17-2014, 4:31 PM
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Default Which back-up knife Esee Izula II vs Mora

I've read great things about both but need some direction in which to choose.

I already have an Esee 5 as my go to "survival" knife that will be on my person. Looking for something to place in my pack as back up if primary knife is lost.
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Old 08-17-2014, 4:46 PM
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try our knife forum. those guys are good.
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Old 08-17-2014, 4:59 PM
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good point, should have done that
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Old 08-17-2014, 5:20 PM
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I would think the esee 5 would be the back up though. I have a gerber lmf II and it is around the size.

My preference would be something like the Junglas as a primary do all.


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Just picked up an Izula the other week. Wrapped with 6' of 550 cord it's a good backup survival knife.

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I guess as a backup I would say the Mora would be great as it is very inexpensive and in my opinion one of the best knives for the money you can buy. For a whole $13 you get a incredible blade. On the other hand the Izula is a excellent blade, but your paying substantially more. I guess it really matters what you wan't your backup blade to be capable of doing.

I am usually more helpful when it comes to knives, but its a personal decision. All I know is you can't go wrong with a Mora.
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Old 08-18-2014, 5:41 AM
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+1 for the Mora.

It just works well. And don't be surprised if you end up switching to the Mora as your primary after awhile

What is the main purpose of your knife? Defense or utility? The Mora excels at utility I have found. I have slowly transitioned most of my knives from a tactical type to a utility focus since that is what they will be used for 99.9999% of the time.

I carry a nice pocket knife and usually just forget it's there. The Mora on my belt, and a big chopper and Leatherman in the pack. Actually, I wear RIBZ and keep the Leatherman in it. The chopper is setup so I can reach over my shoulder and pull it out.

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Another vote for the Mora; inexpensive and versitile. But don't forget about the KA-BAR Fighting/Utility knife.
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Case. Come on you'll only use it to cut apple slices.
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Old 08-18-2014, 5:05 PM
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I use my Mora Black all of the time. I switch from my Fallkniven F1 and Mora as my backup. It's a great knife and the only issues I've had was that it rusts, if you leave any water or moisture on it. I just put a light coat of oil on after washing it.
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I would vote for mora. I have the Izula and the mora fire knife and the fire knife is much sharper, plenty of blade to be your back up knife, and it has a firesteel in the handle so that's a plus. If you don't want the firesteel, get a regular mora, they will serve you well.
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Mora for the money is tough to beat... just don't cut onions with it!
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Mora Mora mora mora. Because mora is a mora mora.

I vote for the mora.
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Alot of folks seem to favor the mora. If the izula II and the mora were the same price would you guys still choose the mora. When I think of a back up knife then I think of a knife that I will use in the went that I lose my primary.
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Alot of folks seem to favor the mora. If the izula II and the mora were the same price would you guys still choose the mora. When I think of a back up knife then I think of a knife that I will use in the went that I lose my primary.
The price difference is not much of an decision point for me as I am a knife guy and have more than a few. The Mora is probably the cheapest, cost wise, knife I own by an order of magnitude. However, its what I carry the most in the woods.

The design is just better for general use then the Izula. I chose the Mora as the handle is more comfortable and larger, the blade is more versatile and easier to sharpen.
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Alot of folks seem to favor the mora. If the izula II and the mora were the same price would you guys still choose the mora. When I think of a back up knife then I think of a knife that I will use in the went that I lose my primary.
Price really doesn't matter to me either. I have several Benchmades, Fallkniven S1, F1, BM Sibert Bushcraft, and I still use the Mora regularly.

Last week I used it to process fire wood for 7 days on our family vacation for the fires on the beach. I caught 16 mackerel and processed them with it. My wife used it on our backpacking trip last month and used it to baton wood, carve, make feather sticks, etc. I also use it every morning out in the garden.

The Fallkniven's and Benchmades are like my Les Baers and the Mora is like a Glock. Cheap and reliable with a history of performance.
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:57 PM
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Wow amazing
Never thought of a mora like a glock but for me that's saying alot
I'm definitely gonna get one
Is there a particular one or are they all the same?
I'm actually surprised you were able to baton with it.
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:28 PM
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Wow amazing
Never thought of a mora like a glock but for me that's saying alot
I'm definitely gonna get one
Is there a particular one or are they all the same?
I'm actually surprised you were able to baton with it.
The main difference is the handle coloring and material as well as the sheath.

I like the green one - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009NZVZ3E/

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Wow amazing
Never thought of a mora like a glock but for me that's saying alot
I'm definitely gonna get one
Is there a particular one or are they all the same?
I'm actually surprised you were able to baton with it.
They're surprisingly pretty sturdy knives. I even batoned some seasoned Oak into kindling. For the money they're hard to beat. This is the one that I use, which has a thicker blade.

http://www.amazon.com/Morakniv-Bushc...ushcraft+Black
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Mora and frost two knife companies that have been making knives for over 200 years. They might know something about making good knives, they use great steel whether carbon or stainless and do great temper jobs.

Its really hard to beat a mora and not just on price for how they function. Yes there are prettier knives and I own them too and love them. But I would not say there better just better to look at.
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Old 08-19-2014, 5:03 PM
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Tried batoning with my esee 5
It worked pretty well however not sharp enough to allow for kindling
Maybe the mora might not be a back up knife after all
So in terms of steel, should I go stainless or carbon steel?
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Carbon sharper and dulls faster but easy to sharpen.

Stainless, does not rust, retains edge better hard to sharpen.

Take a pick, I personally have both. If I lived in a wet area stainless maybe, but for southern ca carbon is fine.
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Carbon sharper and dulls faster but easy to sharpen.

Stainless, does not rust, retains edge better hard to sharpen.

Take a pick, I personally have both. If I lived in a wet area stainless maybe, but for southern ca carbon is fine.
I agree, you just need to make sure to put a light coat of oil on the carbon because they rust really easy. If I wash my knife and leave some water on the blade or put it in a damp sheath, it'll have rust on it within a few hours. I've been coating mine with mineral or olive oil and it seems to do the trick. Some guys use CLP, but I use my knife to cut food, so I prefer not to eat that stuff.

I usually carry a Fallkniven DC4 sharpening stone, which is a great packable sharpener. I noticed after batoning hard wood the carbon blade does lose some of it's edge, but it is really easy to sharpen.

I'm still learning about knives, but I'm sure some of the more experienced guys will chime in.
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This look promising!
Mora Bushcraft Survival Black 3.2mm blade thickness + fire steel + sharpening stone $56 on Amazon (not the cheapest but seems it seems like a great knife)
http://www.moraofsweden.se/adventure...survival-black

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Wow amazing
Never thought of a mora like a glock but for me that's saying alot
I'm definitely gonna get one
Is there a particular one or are they all the same?
I'm actually surprised you were able to baton with it.

Yes they do have different specs.

These two are different in blade thickness.

There is also Carbon or Stainless Steel blades to choose from.

http://www.amazon.com/Morakniv-Compa...words=morakniv

http://www.amazon.com/Morakniv-Craft...words=morakniv

If you wan't the same knife with more grip there is this one.

http://www.amazon.com/Morakniv-Craft...words=morakniv


I guess they sell bundle packs now which is sweet!

http://www.amazon.com/Bundle-Morakni...words=morakniv

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LK2SOQO?psc=1


And then there is now a Black Bladed version!

http://www.amazon.com/Morakniv-Bushc...words=morakniv
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This look promising!
Mora Bushcraft Survival Black 3.2mm blade thickness + fire steel + sharpening stone $56 on Amazon (not the cheapest but seems it seems like a great knife)
http://www.moraofsweden.se/adventure...survival-black
That's the same knife I use, but I didn't get the upgraded sheath. I carry a larger fire steel and the Fallkniven DC4 in my pocket. Having it all on the sheath would be really convenient though.
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