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Old 05-18-2019, 7:07 AM
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Default .243 non lead for coyotes and deer

My friend reloads. Looking for powder and non lead bullet recommendations for coyotes and CA deer (black tail).

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Kno...inchester.html

I saw this article but donít think the bullets are lead free.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-18-2019, 7:08 AM
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Look on Nosler seconds sales sometimes good deal over runs or blems. I buy a lot from them.
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Old 05-18-2019, 7:19 AM
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E-Tip and Ballistic Tip are in lead free. I see a 55 grain ballistic tip for varmints and 90 grain E-Tip for antelope, deer and pigs.

Looks like I’ll do two separate loads.
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Old 05-18-2019, 7:20 AM
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Look on Nosler seconds sales sometimes good deal over runs or blems. I buy a lot from them.
Buy direct from Nosler?
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Old 05-18-2019, 7:22 AM
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IIRC Balliststudies isn't a fan of lead-free bullets.

I have a Tikka in .243. Haven't loaded lead-free anything yet but I have loaded some Remington Core-Lokts and Nosler Lead-Free Ballistic with IMR 4064 and I get good enough results for hunting.

For deer you want something like Barnes TTSX or Hornady GMX. An 80 grain GMX will get you out to 400 yards with the bullet traveling at 2,000 FPS, which is the minimum speed to ensure it opens on contact.

For coyotes you can use lighter bullets if you like. I don't keep the pelts so I've got Nosler 55 grain Lead-Free Ballistic Tips for this purpose.

There aren't a lot of lead-free bullet options for .243 and that's a shame because I like its external ballistics.
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Old 05-18-2019, 7:24 AM
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Yes I go on their pro shop and look for deals.
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Old 05-18-2019, 7:37 AM
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Here's the link. Choose 6mm for the caliber.
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Old 05-18-2019, 11:40 AM
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No blems for 55 grain. 86 and 90 grain blems are out of stock. Created an account and signed up to be notified when they come back in stock. I’m not keeping the pelts so will try the 86 and 90 grain bullets.
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I am loading Barnes 80gr TTSX over 43gr of RL17 for my daughterís .243. Sub MOA all day! I have a couple boxes of Noslerís 55gr Ballistc Tipís and will be working up a test load for Varmint.
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I am loading Barnes 80gr TTSX over 43gr of RL17 for my daughterís .243. Sub MOA all day! I have a couple boxes of Noslerís 55gr Ballistc Tipís and will be working up a test load for Varmint.
Let me know how it works out. Thanks
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Look into the Lehigh Defense bullets. They were created just for depredation of deer in the .243 caliber. Very reasonably priced as well.
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This will be the primary load for her gun. She will be hunting Deer locally & Antelope in WY this fall.
Initial load testing.
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Look into the Lehigh Defense bullets. They were created just for depredation of deer in the .243 caliber. Very reasonably priced as well.
https://www.lehighdefense.com/index....243-winchester

Thanks - Iím going to see what Hornady offers too
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https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...free-box-of-50

Couple of bad reviews
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http://www.barnesbullets.com/load-data/

Going to try the 80 grain ttsx for coyotes and deer.
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In my experience, any product will generate a few bad reviews. It might be the product, it might be the combination of bullet/powder/gun, and then again it might be the user. Sometimes it's hard to know from reading the review.
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http://www.barnesbullets.com/load-data/

Going to try the 80 grain ttsx for coyotes and deer.

Barnes has good load data available. I found that I had better consistency & groups when at the upper end of the charge rates. Also, seating bullets at .050 off the lands, is their recommended starting point. It put me right at the bottom edge of the 1st cannelure grove (same as factory loaded Vortex).
Another good Barnes resource.
http://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-cont...ard-2017-1.pdf
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H4350 is the powder you want. I’d give the 85gr Tsx a try for deer. The 80gr ttsx has no advantage in terms of bc.
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85 tsx outshoots e-tip by a lot in my rifle. And kills stuff d-e-d.
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Picked up some Barnes lead free bullets to try out. Free shipping.

https://www.midwayusa.com/s?promotio...rnes-bullets-a
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Picked up some Barnes lead free bullets to try out. Free shipping.

https://www.midwayusa.com/s?promotio...rnes-bullets-a
I have a good load with 90 grain E-tips and H4350, over book max so work up carefully and be safe, but 39.5-41grains produces between 2900 - 2970 or so fps.

Re: the Barnes bullets as learned from Divernhunter:
  1. Decopper your bore when switching from gilding metal to copper
  2. They typically group best near their max charge.
  3. They like a little jump.
  4. Load light for caliber, you need velocity for them to work really well.
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^^^ Thanks for the ink.
Let me make one small correction: 3.They like "a lot" of jump"

In the 243 I would use the 80gr TTSX. It will act like a 104gr lead core bullet. Always use the TTSX and not the TSX as the TTSX starts expanding sooner and give more reliable expansion.
Pus any non-lead bullet FAST. I have found they tend to group better and the give better terminal performance.

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Always use the TTSX and not the TSX as the TTSX starts expanding sooner and give more reliable expansion.
Pus any non-lead bullet FAST.


I agree with this, but jump up to 6.5 and I get great results with the regular TSX as well. Terminal ballistics are funny.
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^^^ Thanks for the ink.
Let me make one small correction: 3.They like "a lot" of jump"

In the 243 I would use the 80gr TTSX. It will act like a 104gr lead core bullet. Always use the TTSX and not the TSX as the TTSX starts expanding sooner and give more reliable expansion.
Pus any non-lead bullet FAST. I have found they tend to group better and the give better terminal performance.

My 2cents

Thanks. I got the 80 grain TTSX and

Barnes LRX Long-Range Hunting Bullets 243 Caliber, 6mm (243 Diameter) 95 Grain LRX Boat Tail Lead-Free Box of 50

Anyone have experience with the LRX bullet?
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http://www.barnesbullets.com/load-data/

Going to try the 80 grain ttsx for coyotes and deer.
Consider the 85 over the 80. A lot of folks go 80 just for the tip ( ), but the BC on the 85 is a hair better, and you can still get great velocity out of them. I love 'em.
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Haha, and now I see conflicting recommendations above as well.

Shoot what ya want, they'll both work great.
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Cutting edge Bullets. https://cuttingedgebullets.com/ but take a deep breath before looking at their prices. I figure anything I use to kill stuff better be the best price be damned........
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The LRX would also be a good choice as it opens at a lower FPS.
The TSX is a bad choice especially in a small caliber cartridge.
Look on the Barnes website for Loading Data which will be different than for same weight lead core bullets
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TSX at 3200 has been an excellent choice in the several animals I have shot with it.
I may tinker around with the LRX, they weren't available when I did my 243 workup way back.

Ivan's suggestion is also excellent. I have shot some of their bullets in a couple calibers and they are EXCELLENT and very very easy to load, but they are pricey!
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Thanks. I got the 80 grain TTSX and

Barnes LRX Long-Range Hunting Bullets 243 Caliber, 6mm (243 Diameter) 95 Grain LRX Boat Tail Lead-Free Box of 50

Anyone have experience with the LRX bullet?
What is your rifles twist rate? Barnes states that the 95gr LRX needs 1:8 or faster. Nosler states the 90gr E-Tips need 1:9. Iím loading the 80gr TTSX for a rifle with 1:10. The results on paper are pretty good (.5 MOA). My daughter will be using them for Coyote, Antelope, & Deer.
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I have experience with 80 grain TTSX in a 243. Id never use any other bullet.
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What is your rifles twist rate? Barnes states that the 95gr LRX needs 1:8 or faster. Nosler states the 90gr E-Tips need 1:9. Iím loading the 80gr TTSX for a rifle with 1:10. The results on paper are pretty good (.5 MOA). My daughter will be using them for Coyote, Antelope, & Deer.

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...ifle/p/1480391

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Nice!
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I use ttsx. I load to max magazine Length, minus a couple thousands In all my rifles.

I weigh all the bullets and put them In groups, some are way off and I don't use them.

I work up the powder charge from mid point of what they list In half a grain Increments to max charge. I make 5 bullets of each charge weight, then I'll go shoot them with a cooling down time for the barrel between each group of rounds. I check for any signs of over pressure. Most times I don't even get to the max charge before I find the best groupings. I use a sled that I made, and my rifle Is strapped Into It, this way I know it's the bullets and not my shooting lol
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