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Default Getting the new Leupold DeltaPoint Micro

OK... Sweet! $360 OTD (and still getting $10 in credit card cashback)!!! Let us see what the hype is all about the Leupold DeltaPoint Micro.




For one, it is so low that it should “feel” like an iron sight. Good for me! (I do love my iron sights. But I cant stop biology. Sooner or later will have to use red dots, even if not now... So, for those red dot haters out there... *LOL*)

And with the form factor - concealability.

I will attaching it to my Glock 26 Gen 3 when it arrives. Planning to take it to a match and see how it fares in a more dynamic environment than a static square range. Right now am concerned that the small window may become an issue when shooting/presenting from non-conventional positions.

If this works good with the Glock - then I will have to get another one for the M&P Shield 9. A dovetail mounted RMRcc just sits TOO high!






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I'd like to get one for M&P 45, but they are oos everywhere.
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i read a review on those. seems pretty cool if you have striker fired guns.
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I'd like to get one for M&P 45, but they are oos everywhere.
Just like the Micro for the Glock - it is NOT OOS, but rather, it hasn't been sold to the public yet.

The Glock one came out today. The M&P will come out in a few weeks.


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i read a review on those. seems pretty cool if you have striker fired guns.
Can't wait to check it out!


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Got one installed on a 43 and been dry firing at home. The dot is quick to pick up and the functions are easy with the single button. Gotta keep in mind to remove the battery cap before field stripping or you can damage the rubber cap. It’s an annoyance that I hope someone will address with an aluminum cap instead of rubber. I really like the slim profile, helps blending in for conceal carry. My Holosun sometimes gets caught on my belt when reholstering AIWB. I haven’t tested live fire but was hoping to hit the range this weekend.

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Got one installed on a 43 and been dry firing at home.
That was QUICK. When did you get yours?


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I purchased mine in early May from Gunbroker. Some dealers have been receiving their stock early and selling them on GB. Prices vary though. I quickly jumped on one for $329+tax and shipping, which might be a few dollars more than what you paid.
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I purchased mine in early May from Gunbroker. Some dealers have been receiving their stock early and selling them on GB. Prices vary though. I quickly jumped on one for $329+tax and shipping, which might be a few dollars more than what you paid.
Ah, GB! That makes sense...

Yeah, I was waiting for weeks/months. I even Tweeted/FBed Leupold asking whether it will be hitting the market. *LOL* Obviously - no response.

Me thinks - they shouldn't have announced the product in January when they knew they won't be able to fulfill inventory until the second half of the year.


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Definitely puts the "UG" in UGLY. While esthetic aren't important I'm not a fan of the durability of dovetail mounted RDS sight racks.
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Definitely puts the "UG" in UGLY. While esthetic aren't important I'm not a fan of the durability of dovetail mounted RDS sight racks.
Agreed.

Are you aware of the Outer Impact dovetail adapters? Zero definitely shifts under heavy use.

https://outerimpact.com/product-cate...sight-adapter/


But in this case - it is a compromise. A less used gun for concealed carry. Then again, that is why I purchased it to try it out... A few matches and classes here and there to see how it holds up.


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The review on InRangeTV was stellar.
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Whoa!?!

Dang! Can't wait...!!!


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So, got the Micro last night. An hour back I attached it to my Glock 26 Gen 3 (since it's primary purpose is concealed carry)...




Laser boresighted the red dot and did a few drills dry - drawing from the holster (OWB, AIWB), extend-prep-trigger, target transitions, shooting from non-conventional positions (say, like a barricade, from a port/window, etc.).

Initial impression is that I am a bit "????" (question marks) and that Leupold may need to go back to their drawing board to work out some design "kinks."


To provide some color...
  1. For me, this will take MORE time getting used to than a "normal" red dot. And this is saying in spite of me not having ANY 'ramp up' period when I transitioned to RDS from irons.
  2. The window is too small that it is very easy to lose the dot, especially shooting from non-conventional positions.
  3. Some may argue on the previous point that the design was meant to 'emulate' an iron sight, ie., lower mount, psuedo-Ghost Ring, etc. I would counter-argue, however, that in iron sights we have a much wider field of view of the front sight in relation to the rear sight that allows a proper orientation of the pistol at almost any time. In the Micro, the tube can block sight of the front sight. I have to look through the tube to see the front sight OR exaggerate the wrist angles so I can see the front sight from outside the tube that allows me to correct my sight alignment.
  4. There were cases that for a minor "incorrect" angle of the wrist that I did lose the dot but could still see front sight. Good as it allows me to correct alignment. Unfortunately, I can't see the front sight without Rx glasses which what prompted me to get an RDS for carry. So, it practically defeats my intended purpose when I have to constantly switch between dot and irons, say, during a field course of fire. Again, because of the small and narrow window.
  5. At a brightness setting that allows me to see in bright sunlight - there was a distortion (or annoying reflection) of the red dot through the window. Albeit, for a 3MOA dot, it feels like the 5MOA of my SRO.


Having said the above, I will postface with the statement that I still need to take it to live fire, in particular to a match to see how it goes in a more dynamic setting. I will also need to try it out in low light so see how it would work with my Tritium front sight.

Looking forward to the next steps...


PS: A few others...
  • I stripped one of the screws when I was tightening it to the recommended 25 in-lbs torque (I was using a FAT Wrench). I will just reach out to Leupold to send replacement screws.
  • It had pseudo dot rear sights. But the dots were just carve outs, neither has Tritium, fiber optic or even painted out (like those found with Glocks). I wonder what the use it for...
  • Might just be me - but the Glock 26 now feels imbalanced in my hands. Very rear heavy. Again, will need to try it in live fire on how it feels under recoil.
  • The elevation/windage adjusters are NOT click-based. It is continuous ("there are no clicks to count").



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Definitely puts the "UG" in UGLY. While esthetic aren't important I'm not a fan of the durability of dovetail mounted RDS sight racks.
Now that you mentioned it, I am quite a bit concerned about how Leupold did their dovetail mount with the Micro.

Compared to other dovetail mounted RDS out there - there is a set screw that that reaches down the dovetail notch, creating opposing pressure between the mount and the dovetail thus locking the notch.

In the Micro's case - the set screws don't reach down the dovetail notch. All it does is lock the mount to the optic with the slide's notch in between. This leads to a smaller area of contact. Am really not sure this will hold up to one-handed malfunction drills!
Sorry - it is hard to put into words what I am trying to describe...

Hhhhmmm...



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Wow! Year 2021 must be jinxed for me with American red dot optics... A few months after my Trijicon SRO's shifted zero in less than 2K rounds - SRO confirmed the issue and replaced the adjusters; my new DeltaPoint Micro broke in less than 10-rds...!

After a few shots - I noticed some streak in the lens. I thought it was some dirt or something. When I finished my magazine and I proceeded to wipe only to find that it was inside the tube.

Below is a quick photo that I immediately took of the optic. The Micro is mounted to a Glock 26 Gen 3 and I used factory Fiocchi 115GR ammo. I don't know if this is a crack or a residue from the seal of the optic.

That said, it is quite surprising that my Chinese-made optics are staying strong... All my three Holosuns and one Vortex that is mounted to a 1911.






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UPDATE: My Micro broke after less than 10-rds...

I posted my OP in the Handguns section: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1724726




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Probably the glass had a fracture or chip on the outter edge that they didn't catch, then it cracked under recoil.

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So, got the Micro last night. An hour back I attached it to my Glock 26 Gen 3 (since it's primary purpose is concealed carry)...




Laser boresighted the red dot and did a few drills dry - drawing from the holster (OWB, AIWB), extend-prep-trigger, target transitions, shooting from non-conventional positions (say, like a barricade, from a port/window, etc.).

Initial impression is that I am a bit "????" (question marks) and that Leupold may need to go back to their drawing board to work out some design "kinks."


To provide some color...
  1. For me, this will take MORE time getting used to than a "normal" red dot. And this is saying in spite of me not having ANY 'ramp up' period when I transitioned to RDS from irons.
  2. The window is too small that it is very easy to lose the dot, especially shooting from non-conventional positions.
  3. Some may argue on the previous point that the design was meant to 'emulate' an iron sight, ie., lower mount, psuedo-Ghost Ring, etc. I would counter-argue, however, that in iron sights we have a much wider field of view of the front sight in relation to the rear sight that allows a proper orientation of the pistol at almost any time. In the Micro, the tube can block sight of the front sight. I have to look through the tube to see the front sight OR exaggerate the wrist angles so I can see the front sight from outside the tube that allows me to correct my sight alignment.
  4. There were cases that for a minor "incorrect" angle of the wrist that I did lose the dot but could still see front sight. Good as it allows me to correct alignment. Unfortunately, I can't see the front sight without Rx glasses which what prompted me to get an RDS for carry. So, it practically defeats my intended purpose when I have to constantly switch between dot and irons, say, during a field course of fire. Again, because of the small and narrow window.
  5. At a brightness setting that allows me to see in bright sunlight - there was a distortion (or annoying reflection) of the red dot through the window. Albeit, for a 3MOA dot, it feels like the 5MOA of my SRO.


Having said the above, I will postface with the statement that I still need to take it to live fire, in particular to a match to see how it goes in a more dynamic setting. I will also need to try it out in low light so see how it would work with my Tritium front sight.

Looking forward to the next steps...


PS: A few others...
  • I stripped one of the screws when I was tightening it to the recommended 25 in-lbs torque (I was using a FAT Wrench). I will just reach out to Leupold to send replacement screws.
  • It had pseudo dot rear sights. But the dots were just carve outs, neither has Tritium, fiber optic or even painted out (like those found with Glocks). I wonder what the use it for...
  • Might just be me - but the Glock 26 now feels imbalanced in my hands. Very rear heavy. Again, will need to try it in live fire on how it feels under recoil.
  • The elevation/windage adjusters are NOT click-based. It is continuous ("there are no clicks to count").





Now that you mentioned it, I am quite a bit concerned about how Leupold did their dovetail mount with the Micro.

Compared to other dovetail mounted RDS out there - there is a set screw that that reaches down the dovetail notch, creating opposing pressure between the mount and the dovetail thus locking the notch.

In the Micro's case - the set screws don't reach down the dovetail notch. All it does is lock the mount to the optic with the slide's notch in between. This leads to a smaller area of contact. Am really not sure this will hold up to one-handed malfunction drills!
Sorry - it is hard to put into words what I am trying to describe...

Hhhhmmm...



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Sorry for the late reply, I haven't looked at this thread until today. I have no eperience with this dovetail mount, but it appears to have 2 set screws that force the dovetail up into the slide cuts. IMHO a set screw used for opposing forces is weaker and have a tendency to come loose vs bosses and cap screws found on milled slides. Gabe Suarez had a rmr dovetail mount that also came with a backplate that it mounted to to create a more secure platform, but again IMHO a milled slide by Battle Werx is far superior and IIRC only 90.00.

My kid liked my RMR'd 26 so much he took it with him when he moved vs a RMR'd 19 I offered him. I missed my 26 soooooooooo much I cut down the 19's grip to a 26 length. The best of both world of compactability with a light rail.

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Sorry it happened. Please keep us updated on how Leupold will resolve this.
We would see...

I am actually thinking of just using Kenzie's Optics 30-day warranty. Even with the 20% restocking fee - it is better than being stuck with a sub-par optic design.



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You don't say...

I guess I will just stick my to Chinese knock-offs Holosun and Vortex...



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Probably the glass had a fracture or chip on the outter edge that they didn't catch, then it cracked under recoil.
Poor quality control on Leupold's part...

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Sorry for the late reply, I haven't looked at this thread until today. I have no eperience with this dovetail mount, but it appears to have 2 set screws that force the dovetail up into the slide cuts.
Yep. That is how the Micro mounts to the dovetail. Like I said - I was actually surprised. This doesn't inspire any confidence.

Am hoping that Aaron Cowan can finish his review on the Micro. I am interested to hear how it fares with his torture testing.

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I would agree. But was hoping for a compromise with this setup. I guess I lost the gamble.


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Am hoping that Aaron Cowan can finish his review on the Micro. I am interested to hear how it fares with his torture testing.
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I like his videos but like dragging an AK behind your truck, I don't think the concrete drop test is of much value.

Ideally, YouTube guys should test on a vibration test table like the MIL STD 810 tests but not many have them so I can understand no one doing it.
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Oh man...so sorry to hear about your experience! been bogged down with work and I yet to put any rounds through mine after the install. Before returning it back to Kenzie’s and taking a hit on the restocking fees.. you could try leupold’s lifetime warranty see and how confident they are behind their products. I’m sure they’d want to avoid negative press on a new product launch.

You mentioned a screw was stripped...how did that get resolved?
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I like his videos but like dragging an AK behind your truck, I don't think the concrete drop test is of much value.

Ideally, YouTube guys should test on a vibration test table like the MIL STD 810 tests but not many have them so I can understand no one doing it.
What would a vibration test accomplish?
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Does a better job stimulating recoil and being banged around in vehicles x thousands of iterations
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Does a better job stimulating recoil and being banged around in vehicles x thousands of iterations
I get the latter but not the former. No need to simulate recoil if you can just do it.
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I get the latter but not the former. No need to simulate recoil if you can just do it.
The recoil impulse can be tested on those machines on the longitudinal axis many tens of thousands of times if required.
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UPDATE: I just got off the phone with Kenzie's Optics. Even they were surprised at what happened that they are offering me a refund even without the restocking fee as they send out the Return Authorization.

However, I simply lost confidence in the product. Am going for a exchange with an RM07 (6.5MOA).


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UPDATE: I just got off the phone with Kenzie's Optics. Even they were surprised at what happened that they are offering me a refund even without the restocking fee as they send out the Return Authorization.

However, I simply lost confidence in the product. Am going for a exchange with an RM07 (6.5MOA).


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IMHO Get a Type2 RM06 3.25 moa dot is better due to the fact if you wanted a bigger dot simply turn up the illumination vs being stuck with a big dot that only gets bigger the brighter it gets. Also check out BattleWerx for slide milling with bosses. They have the best price I've seen that includes free assembly disassembly, free recoil bosses and a free channel liner.

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The recoil impulse can be tested on those machines on the longitudinal axis many tens of thousands of times if required.
Can you point me to a video of this?
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You're right. There's no possible way that CGN members marching alongside the Pink Pistols in the SF Pride Parade can do anything to dispel the stereotype that gun owners are conservative bigots clinging to their guns and bibles. Not a single person in the crowd is rational or reachable because the parade's for gay folks and it's in SF.
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I've learned, the hard way, whenever you buy 1st gen of any product (cars, guns, RDS, toasters, etc) you'll probably encounter some problems.

I used to be an early adopter, but now I wait for the issues to get resolved and buy v2 or v3.
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IMHO Get a Type2 RM06 3.25 moa dot is better due to the fact if you wanted a bigger dot simply turn up the illumination vs being stuck with a big dot that only gets bigger the brighter it gets. Also check out BattleWerx for slide milling with bosses. They have the best price I've seen that includes free assembly disassembly, free recoil bosses and a free channel liner.
I have and tried a few configurations of sizes/reticles...
  • 5MOA dot SRO
  • 8MOA circle Holosun HS407CO - On my Wife's Glock 19 Gen 3, milled by BattleWerx... I can get precision hits at speed at 20-yards to an A-zone/0-down zone target between two No Shoots/Non Threats - 8MOA is sufficient...
  • 3.5MOA dot RMR - On my HD Glock 21SF Gen 3, milled by JagerWerks
  • 2MOA dot/32MOA circle Holosun HS507C
  • 10MOA Chevron Holosun HS507C ACSS - I will need getting used to using the Chevron, in particular when it is NOT vertical.
  • 3MOA Vortex Venom

As such, based on my experience in my own practice, classes and competition - I feel it best to go with a 6.5MOA RMR for my carry Glock 26 Gen 3... (Most probably will go with BattleWerx)



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I've learned, the hard way, whenever you buy 1st gen of any product (cars, guns, RDS, toasters, etc) you'll probably encounter some problems.

I used to be an early adopter, but now I wait for the issues to get resolved and buy v2 or v3.
Usually I wait... But had a use case. I took a chance. More or less, lost the gamble.


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Also check out BattleWerx for slide milling with bosses.

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  • 8MOA circle Holosun HS407CO - On my Wife's Glock 19 Gen 3, milled by BattleWerx... I can get precision hits at speed at 20-yards to an A-zone/0-down zone target between two No Shoots/Non Threats - 8MOA is sufficient...

As such, based on my experience in my own practice, classes and competition - I feel it best to go with a 6.5MOA RMR for my carry Glock 26 Gen 3... (Most probably will go with BattleWerx)

Which reminds me - I would remember from my milled Glock 19 that BattleWerx does NOT have front bosses anymore, which is in contrast with what they have on their website. They just have the "elevated" screw holes.

I was a bit surprised when I got the Glock 19 and was about to email them; but felt that it was too much of a hassle. What is done is done...

Hence, was the reason I went to JagerWerks for milling my Glock 21SF.




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Sorry about it
Thank you!!

Yeah, no worries. I got a refund a from Kenzie's...

I guess, I will be sticking to the RMR for my carry.


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