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Old 11-08-2019, 6:10 AM
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It would appear Townhall writer Mike Adams has a rather large collection of firearms and has given this matter some serious thought !

https://townhall.com/columnists/mike...nrest-n2556087

Although I do not own everything listed, it does give me reason to consider his thoughtful suggestions.
Yes I will probably acquire those after the free state move is complete. Which means its less likely I will ever need them.
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The choices for each individual are a bit subjective, but his choices are pretty good!
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It would appear Townhall writer Mike Adams has a rather large collection of firearms and has given this matter some serious thought !

https://townhall.com/columnists/mike...nrest-n2556087

Although I do not own everything listed, it does give me reason to consider his thoughtful suggestions.
Yes I will probably acquire those after the free state move is complete. Which means its less likely I will ever need them.
The author is ready to compete in the old "heavy metal" division at the old SOF world 3-gun championship....

I suspect that for dealing with the "soft target" rich environment of civil unrest, the "overkill" calibers the author chooses would be inefficient and harder to find ammunition for once your own supplies are depleted.
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“. . . Once your own supplies are depleted.” I guess you missed the first part of the article.


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he doesn't seem to be concerned with caliber availability.
i'll stick with the basics... 9mm & 45acp

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Good list.

Funny how folks always try and narrow it down to only 3 specific guns or 3 specific calibers. Why not have a 9mm, 20 gauge and 223/556 set up for another family member?
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So to recap...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1565885
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1566576

...he’s up to:

12ga Remington 870
Glock 19
Ruger 10/22
.410 Mossberg 500
S&W 640
Marlin 30-30
Springfield M1A Scout
Benelli M4
Glock 20

...which are fine, but his explanations are getting more silly.

“If there’s a mob coming at my house I prefer an M1A with a ten-round mag, it’s all I need”
“Get a Glock 20... for civil unrest... by bears.”

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Black powder cannon with canister deals with mobs.

Molotov cocktails go both ways - do you know how to assemble one properly?

Front porch? This will be seen coming weeks and miles in advance - take the fight to the enemy. Front porch is too late.

Abundant arms are no substitute for weak intel and limp tactics. Situational awareness extends well beyond your immediate surroundings.

Have your neighbors been organized? How's the comms? What are you waiting for?
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There's a particular country in the Middle East, that I will let you guess the name of name of but they get attacked monthly or at least a few times a year and their way of dealing with the civil unrest / masses of protesters coming at them, their borders and checkpoints is sometimes just a scoped suppressed .22 rifle, set up for long range,
With some well-aimed kneecapping and leg shooting.

Now granted, some folks might say they're doing that type of thing for better PR than just killing people outright with more powerful weapons (that they Do possess) but I ask you how long do you think this shtf is going to go on?

When civilization comes back and the lights turn back on do you think they'll be any repercussions for all the bodies you have stacked high up at 100 yards, completely surrounding the same home, apartment or land property that you own right now? What if the group approaching you has the women and children out in front and acting peaceable but you still don't want them on your property?

I don't have a dog in this fight but I'm just saying have a nice semi auto .22 that can reach out and send a message, without starting a larger gang /family revenge feud against your property.

I'm not saying that is definitely the way to go for everyone, it's just food for thought.
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... Front porch? This will be seen coming weeks and miles in advance - take the fight to the enemy. Front porch is too late....
i'll be protecting the high ground.

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So basically, a semiauto .308, a semiauto 12ga and a semiauto handgun. Just about everybody has those three.
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I would consider parts to be an issue with an m14 style weapon. Mil spec AR's and Glocks will have the most accessibility to parts, along with common calibers like 223/556, 9mm ammunition.
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So to recap...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1565885
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1566576

...he’s up to:

12ga Remington 870
Glock 19
Ruger 10/22
.410 Mossberg 500
S&W 640
Marlin 30-30
Springfield M1A Scout
Benelli M4
Glock 20

...which are fine, but his explanations are getting more silly.

“If there’s a mob coming at my house I prefer an M1A with a ten-round mag, it’s all I need”
“Get a Glock 20... for civil unrest... by bears.”
Too much diversity in manual of arms for me.

I'd just go with:
2-3 copies of same semi-auto pistol, in 9mm or 45
2-3 copies of ar-15 chambered for 556/223, with a 22lr complete upper
not sure if shotgun needs 2 copies

Multiple copies means a backup for parts, plus less manual of arms training
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Why would anyone pick three heavy guns with heavy ammo? If the only criteria is static defense of a single point at ranges of 100-800m, then by all means, 7.62. But a lot of SHTF fantasy guns are based on well, fantasy. I remember playing "guns" when I was ten or so, running around with 5 or more toy guns at once. This would be the adult equivalent. You'd have to be in incredible shape to move with any kind of quickness with those three guns and required ammo.

5.56 weighs the same as 9mm and less than 10mm. It's also more powerful than both. I'll take 30 rounds of 5.56 over 9 or 10mm any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

In reality, having one good weapon and perhaps a sidearm is what it would come down to. Anything superfluous and heavy gets discarded quickly when the poop starts to fly.
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There's a particular country in the Middle East, that I will let you guess the name of name of but they get attacked monthly or at least a few times a year and their way of dealing with the civil unrest / masses of protesters coming at them, their borders and checkpoints is sometimes just a scoped suppressed .22 rifle, set up for long range,
With some well-aimed kneecapping and leg shooting.

Now granted, some folks might say they're doing that type of thing for better PR than just killing people outright with more powerful weapons (that they Do possess) but I ask you how long do you think this shtf is going to go on?

When civilization comes back and the lights turn back on do you think they'll be any repercussions for all the bodies you have stacked high up at 100 yards, completely surrounding the same home, apartment or land property that you own right now? What if the group approaching you has the women and children out in front and acting peaceable but you still don't want them on your property?

I don't have a dog in this fight but I'm just saying have a nice semi auto .22 that can reach out and send a message, without starting a larger gang /family revenge feud against your property.

I'm not saying that is definitely the way to go for everyone, it's just food for thought.
Those guys are shooting at children throwing rocks. I wouldn't put a .22 up against anything an American would be carrying, think 5.56, 7.62, etc.

You'd be better off adopting that particular countries terror campaign by forcing your neighbors from the homes they've lived in for generations, filling them with like-minded terrorists and creating an ethno-state.
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I think you need to decide what “civil-unrest” would look like in your own location. Personally, if there were “roving groups of goblins” around here, their roving days wouldn’t last very long. Thankfully I believe our community has the means to continue being good humans should society be compromised.

My “worst case scenario” thruple would still be handgun, shotgun and .22 rifle. By the time a scary black center fire rifle is needed to protect myself, I may not want to participate in society anymore.
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Any gun is better then no gun...

Sticking with basics like 12 ga, 9mm, 45acp is a good start.
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It's not guns but caliber.
I've got a 458 Win Mag to stop cars at the far end of the street.
Belted magnums to stop people out to 1000 yards.
ARs with proper magazines to stop hoards of people under 100 yards.
Shotgun to stop people in the front yard
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various handguns to stop people up close and personal.
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I remember years ago when a Hells Angel got arrested in our small town. Then we got word that a bunch of them were going to roll into town to bust him out, just like a bad '60's movie. We had guys on rooftops near the jailhouse, and pretty much everyone in town (population 3000) was locked and loaded.

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Well, as a Deputy District Attorney once told me, "Home defense doesn't start on your front porch. It starts at the end of the block".
I like and agree with the author's choice of the M1A(I'll use the term, M14 style), and a 12 guage. Though I'm not sure if I would go with a Benelli, though it might be a good choice.
I think that the 10mm is a bit over the top. My personal choice is a 1911 in 45 acp, but each one of mine are set up to be able to go to other calibers if that becomes necessary.
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Good list. Think most of would think along those lines:
The .308 for the longer shots, keeping distance
The 12 ga for something more closer in but also something that would warn off is you let loose a round
And the 10mm as the last resort.

Makes sense. Good article.
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I'd like to know the writers rationale for not owning/using an AR, the most popular rifle in the country. Ease of ammo and parts availability are a huge plus, as is portability due to low weight. I personally think his choices are a bit goofy but to each their own.
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10mm Glock?

There is a reason why the FBI backed-away from that cartridge. Most agents couldn't handle that caliber, let alone be able to get their hands around the grip of one. And the Feds are people who got to train for free.
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Dumb list. Target reacquisition time for both M1A and 10mm is lower. 308 is bulky and heavy. An M1A is heavy. Does not compute.
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I wouldn’t choose what the author chose either.

I don’t consider a 12 or 20 ga a defensive firearm. Any of my shotguns are for hunting and too long to be maneuverable for this purpose.

A 9 mm pistol would be a perfect defensive handgun.

The AR15 would also be a perfect defensive firearm.

For the 3rd one I agree with some of the others that a 22 lr rifle would be wise to have.

I guess that’s what I’d consider for the authors purpose,
- 9mm pistol
- AR15 rifle
- 22 lr rifle
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i agree with the author.

civil unrest can mean all sorts of scenarios
i would want something for every role.

large caliber scoped semi-auto accurate out to at least 800 yards for overwatch, suppressive fire, or sniper duty.

tactical shotgun buck and slugs for closer up

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Any gun is better then no gun...

Sticking with basics like 12 ga, 9mm, 45acp is a good start.
This...

And a big arse dog or two!

And a cannon for effect...
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Those guys are shooting at children throwing rocks. I wouldn't put a .22 up against anything an American would be carrying, think 5.56, 7.62, etc.

You'd be better off adopting that particular countries terror campaign by forcing your neighbors from the homes they've lived in for generations, filling them with like-minded terrorists and creating an ethno-state.
have you ever been hit by a rock?
rocks can be (and often are) fatal.
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i agree with the author.

civil unrest can mean all sorts of scenarios
i would want something for every role.

large caliber scoped semi-auto accurate out to at least 800 yards for overwatch, suppressive fire, or sniper duty.

tactical shotgun buck and slugs for closer up

handgun for backup.


Civil unrest or civil war?

I’m curious as to the scenario you have in mind where you’re defending yourself from 800 yards. I know there may be certain scenarios where one could justify a shot at extended ranges, but I can’t imagine a situation that would reach to that range.


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Civil unrest or civil war?

I’m curious as to the scenario you have in mind where you’re defending yourself from 800 yards. I know there may be certain scenarios where one could justify a shot at extended ranges, but I can’t imagine a situation that would reach to that range.


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same reasons the military needs rifles with those same capabilities.

higher caliber rifles are relatively common, and i must assume whatever might become my enemy can reach me from that far.
i don't want to outgunned if i have a choice.

defending my family might require joining forces with others to defend an area or community, rather than an apartment or house.
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