Ruger 10/22 build?

[new22build]

Hi all, hope you can help. I wanted to get a nice 22 rifle to have fun with and teach the kids. Heard Ruger 10/22 is a great choice but you 'have to' upgrade <bunch of stuff> - so I thought, why not build from scratch?

Reciever BRN-22R $100?
Stock TAC Hammer RM4 $130
Ebay BX trigger $65
Ebay Volquartsen Competition Bolt $150
ebay Stainless V block/pin kit $25
Barrel Adaptive Tach $240 (threaded, light weight)
~$750 + optics + supressor?

Questions:
Is this about everything I would need to build the gun?
I don't know much about the barrel but seems about the lightest regular OD bull barrel.
Only comments I have heard are about possible upgrade trigger but I feel like this is expensive enough....


As for the stock, really want adjustable reach and pistol grip. Any feedback and/or questions would be really appreciated... Just need to wait for the receiver to get in stock

[kingransom]

If you're main agenda is to teach the kids, you don't need some high-dollar 22. You could get a stock Ruger for roughly $300, upgrade the trigger, and upgrade the barrel. You'd be in it for about 450 to $500 total and you would have a firearm that shoots way better than you or the kids do.

[edgerly779]

You cannot build that in California so where are you.

[M76]

If you have the coin, I say go for it. The brownells 10/22 receiver is solid,
having built one myself. You will pay an FFL additional $ to ship/transfer
the lower. I added a tac-sol barrel, bx trigger, and assorted parts. I also
went with a red dot, but I recommend teaching the kids with iron sights.

Definitely a great project to build with the kids, good luck with it!

[kingransom]

Depending on where you're located, you might want to search the marketplace here because I saw a calgunner selling a very nice upgraded 10/22 with a kid lightweight barrel, Magpul backpacker stock, and other upgrades for $700. As edgerly pointed out, your Brownells receiver is not going to cost you $100 because you're going to end up paying shipping along with additional FFL cost for having it sent in. My guess is by the time you are done doing what you want to do you're going to be in it well over $1,000. And as he also pointed out, if you're in California Nix the suppressor idea

[M76]

Originally Posted by edgerly779

You cannot build that in California so where are you.

I entered my zip code (contra costa county)
into the “can we ship this to you?” box on site;

it showed yes

Purchased one about 2-3 years ago, received by Glaser Arms Brentwood

[M76]

BTW aftermarket barrels require light sanding to fit the receiver

[edgerly779]

I said build. No suppressors in Komiefornia.

[Blue]

I used a BRN22 receiver, BX trigger, Kidd scalloped bolt, Kidd lightweight 16" barrel and magpul stock on mine. Quite possibly my favorite gun I own. I've shot Appleseed with it and got my known distance patch with it as well. Shooting at 200 yards with it was an absolute hoot.

[Mayor McRifle]

Originally Posted by new22build

Is this about everything I would need to build the gun?

Charging handle and spring: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1005112492
If you want to upgrade that, get a KIDD set up: https://www.kiddinnovativedesign.com...ings_p_51.html

Sights: https://www.tech-sights.com/ruger-products/

1” Cotton Sling: https://www.tech-sights.com/product/...8-long-cotton/

[new22build]

Suppressor is nebulous future, I have also heard compensator - essentially just wanted barrel to be threaded if I am going to buy one.

Sounds like it seems reasonable. I believe the bolt has a spring/handle included. Sure there are some fees with shipping and transfer - I am sure most guns purchased at a store have the same fees.

I already have a low end 22 rifle with (bad) iron sights but if I am going to spend the time with the kids, I might as well have a bit of fun with it myself. Basically if I am getting a rifle with a few upgrades in my head its like ~$500 for a gun + minor upgrades or a 2-3 hundred more to get parts and put it together.

Am I missing anything on this list?

[Oceanbob]

Consider doing it right the first time. Get a stainless takedown and upgrade it with a Magpul Stock, different magazine release, a new bolt release, a BX trigger.
This will the perfect training tool, but also a great rifle that fits in a backpack for SHTF and survival in any environment.
Bob

[ocabj]

Frankly, I'd get a CZ 457 if you want to teach the kids. 10/22's are fun, but I'd rather run a bolt gun to avoid any headaches associated with semi-auto and the 10/22 in general such as misfeeds.

But if you have an ulterior motive of wanting a 10/22, then go for it.

[M76]

Originally Posted by edgerly779

I said build. No suppressors in Komiefornia.

ok...

he must've meant a faux can/linear comp, otherwise he's trolling

[M76]

Originally Posted by new22build

Suppressor is nebulous future, I have also heard compensator - essentially just wanted barrel to be threaded if I am going to buy one.

Sounds like it seems reasonable. I believe the bolt has a spring/handle included. Sure there are some fees with shipping and transfer - I am sure most guns purchased at a store have the same fees.

I already have a low end 22 rifle with (bad) iron sights but if I am going to spend the time with the kids, I might as well have a bit of fun with it myself. Basically if I am getting a rifle with a few upgrades in my head its like ~$500 for a gun + minor upgrades or a 2-3 hundred more to get parts and put it together.

Am I missing anything on this list?

adjustable stock for the kids



https://www.mountsplus.com/blackhawk...022-stock.html

[kingransom]

[QUOTE

I'd rather run a bolt gun to avoid any headaches associated with semi-auto and the 10/22 in general such as misfeeds.


You obviously have far more shooting credentials than I do, but I'm going to have to disagree with you when you talk about Miss feeds and refer to the 10/22 in general. I've owned seven or eight of them, have shot tens of thousands of rounds, and the only time I have ever had a misfeed in a 1022 was when using an aftermarket 25 round magazine and that was the problem not the rifle. If using a rotary box magazine from Ruger, it's about as reliable a 22 long rifle semi-automatic that there is on the market. And hypothetically if you do get an occasional misfeed or other malfunction, I think even you would agree that every young shooter needs to learn to properly clear them and to be able to put the rifle back in battery. So an occasional jam isn't the worst thing in the world for a young shooter to encounter

[Blue]

Originally Posted by kingransom

[QUOTE

I'd rather run a bolt gun to avoid any headaches associated with semi-auto and the 10/22 in general such as misfeeds.


You obviously have far more shooting credentials than I do, but I'm going to have to disagree with you when you talk about Miss feeds and refer to the 10/22 in general. I've owned seven or eight of them, have shot tens of thousands of rounds, and the only time I have ever had a misfeed in a 1022 was when using an aftermarket 25 round magazine and that was the problem not the rifle. If using a rotary box magazine from Ruger, it's about as reliable a 22 long rifle semi-automatic that there is on the market. And hypothetically if you do get an occasional misfeed or other malfunction, I think even you would agree that every young shooter needs to learn to properly clear them and to be able to put the rifle back in battery. So an occasional jam isn't the worst thing in the world for a young shooter to encounter

For reals. I have three (2 Ruger and the 1 Brownells/Kidd build) and they've all been incredibly reliable. There's a lot to be said for shooting a bolt action and making sure your shots count, but overall my experience and most people I knows experience with the 10/22 in particular is it's an incredibly reliable platform especially for rimfire.

[new22build]

thanks for the stock, that is along the lines of what I was looking for and would save $50 but I am not a fan of the gap between the barrel and the front grip (similar to stock 10/22 target builds).

I did look at the Kidd bolt but because I have to buy the spring/lever separate it would end up $50 more - and (if eBay is not counterfeit) I have hear the Vol bolt is just as good or better than the Kidd.

I have heard the comments about learning with bolt action before but I don't want to get 2 separate guns, I do enjoy the 22 myself, and kids are older/responsible so I think we can transition safely/quickly to semi auto after a few times hand feeding. I wasn't aware of CA and suppressor laws - I honestly haven't looked into it because I was not wanting to spend ~$700 but in doing research on 22's - it has come up and seemed interesting. Either way, it seems if I am going to buy aftermarket barrel, makes sense to get threaded.

[M76]

the standard is in stock and on sale for $79.99...dang it...might build another

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...08-216696.aspx

[Yetiultimate]

Originally Posted by kingransom

If you're main agenda is to teach the kids, you don't need some high-dollar 22. You could get a stock Ruger for roughly $300, upgrade the trigger, and upgrade the barrel. You'd be in it for about 450 to $500 total and you would have a firearm that shoots way better than you or the kids do.

This ^^^^. I wouldn't even upgrade the barrel... the stock 10/22 barrel has perfectly useable open iron sights so you can "teach the kids" proper sight picture and is likely going to be plenty accurate. Get the stock rifle and a couple bricks of .22, then take many trips to the nearest range that has fun steel targets for rimfire. You will have a blast, the kids won't know they're shooting a regular old 10/22 instead of a fancy frankengun, and everybody wins. This is how I taught my 2 sons and 1 daughter to shoot, and years later they are all still shooting with me. I bought 2 10/22 rifles and a Mark II pistol for less than $1000 and thats what everyone learned on.

I will admit that I have since upgraded their 10/22s with Kidd, Volquartsen, etc fancy parts but that was probably 5 years after they learned the elements of marksmanship with irons.

[Mongoos913]

I went full Tactical Solutions 10/22 with Magpul backpacker stock. Its been awesome

[Oceanbob]

Originally Posted by Mongoos913

I went full Tactical Solutions 10/22 with Magpul backpacker stock. Its been awesome

^^THIS RIGHT HERE^^^^^

[G-forceJunkie]

I would prefer a a $300 gun and $500 in ammo...

[FNGGlock]

Just another thought. Get a M&P15-22, then they can learn to operate AR controls. Easy to start with peep sights and add optics later. Adjustable stock, etc.

[sweetdiesel]

I went thru this with my youngest a couple years back. Got her started on my scoped 10/22 bull barrel Target model and when she got hooked we went with a full Kidd Supergrade ultra light build. The Kidd is ridiculously accurate and has great balance.

You’re on the right track with wanting an adjustable stock, check out Magpul’s offerings as well. We went thru a couple iterations of thumbhole stocks and both settled on Magpul.

I agree there is some value in learning on a base 10/22 and iron sites. Great for plinking and keeps the rifle light and manageable. If you do any upgrades, I’d start with the trigger. Kidd makes a fine unit and that’s the first part I changed on my Target model.

Do stock up on magazines because they will go through them fast! 10 fit nicely in a Pelican 1040 and the lid serves as a clean area to dump ammo to reload.

[Sutcliffe]

Just ask me!

I bought a beat up stock model with an archaic folding stock that was terrible. I ditched everything but the receiver and turned it into a heavy barreled target shooter. Literally no specialized tools or training to do anything on these guns.

I recommend doing one just to say you did it.

[jarhead714]

Originally Posted by ocabj

Frankly, I'd get a CZ 457 if you want to teach the kids. 10/22's are fun, but I'd rather run a bolt gun to avoid any headaches associated with semi-auto and the 10/22 in general such as misfeeds.

But if you have an ulterior motive of wanting a 10/22, then go for it.

Sage wisdom.

[new22build]

Originally Posted by FNGGlock

Just another thought. Get a M&P15-22, then they can learn to operate AR controls. Easy to start with peep sights and add optics later. Adjustable stock, etc.

Super interesting, like the loading on the M&P magazine and visibility of remaining rounds, like the action stays open when out of shots... dislike how big/tall the gun is (harder for kids? or packing). Also seems like a scope mounting point would be higher off the barrel than Ruger.

Like the look more of a ruger - more compact. Would probably be getting better parts with the custom build.

Quick search shows M&P is like $500 + upgrades vs ~750 what I was gonna build. (are people seeing discount over MSRP?)

Hmm... seems internet forum consensus says 'buy the 10/22 because you can customize it' - but if you want to customize it to be more like an AR then.... I suppose I can mull it over at least until that receiver comes in stock.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by new22build

Super interesting, like the loading on the M&P magazine and visibility of remaining rounds, like the action stays open when out of shots... dislike how big/tall the gun is (harder for kids? or packing). Also seems like a scope mounting point would be higher off the barrel than Ruger.

Like the look more of a ruger - more compact. Would probably be getting better parts with the custom build.

Quick search shows M&P is like $500 + upgrades vs ~750 what I was gonna build. (are people seeing discount over MSRP?)

Hmm... seems internet forum consensus says 'buy the 10/22 because you can customize it' - but if you want to customize it to be more like an AR then.... I suppose I can mull it over at least until that receiver comes in stock.

The easiest and best option is to buy both

I would honestly go with the Ruger build though on the Brownells receiver (first). If you've got kids, have them help you put it together. They'll remember it forever as the time you guys "built their childhood 22 they learned on". And if it doesn't function perfectly (it will) when you guys shoot it they'll get a little experience in troubleshooting.

The benefit to the M&P is I'm pretty sure the stock is readily adjustable like a normal AR stock. So that might fit your kids better depending on their age/age span. Your kid could shoot it, then you could easily extend the stock and shoot with it without any tools.

[sofbak]

ocabj nailed it right here:

"Frankly, I'd get a CZ 457 if you want to teach the kids."

Can't count th # of times it has been expressed here-for kidz (new shooter) a semi-auto="spray and pray".

Bolt gunz = "slow down, think about it, shoot wisely(on target)".

[new22build]

First kid to learn will be daughter. She had her first time shooting a couple months ago on a semi-auto. She took her time between shots so I think were off to a good start.

I think I am comfortable with most of the parts I have selected. I just saw the BLACKHAWK! Knoxx Axiom stock weighs a pound less but I am really not a fan of the look. I put some numbers to paper (hard to get precise weights) but it looks like the current build with a scope would come out to about 6 lbs.

I do have some lingering concerns about the unknown Adaptive Tactical barrel. Can't find lots of information about it. But it's already quite a bit of $$ for everything; getting a TacSol barrel would shave off 3oz but +$90

Edit: can find a tac sol barrel on eBay for +$35
Edit Edit: I called Kidd, what originally turned me away was the diameter is 0.87 vs standard 0.92 this would leave me with a 0.6mm gap between the barrel and stock. This would also be +$45

[new22build]

Well thanks for the help... spent $1k

Kidd receiver, 16" ultra lightweight threaded barrel, & bolt
Tac-Hammer RM4 stock
BX trigger
some magazines... gonna let the kid pick out the bolt handle on eBay.

I wasn't planning on spending so much but its likely I will keep this gun for life so...

[sweetdiesel]

Kidd makes good stuff. Their bolt and receiver combo ride silky smooth compared to stock. The ULW barrel will give it a nice balance. Have fun with your kid on the build!

[NATEWA]

Adjustable stock, bx trigger, vortex rimfire scope, bipod, tri mag adapter and extended mag release (not sure if they make one for bolt hold open) have worked for me and new shooters.

[Peahi2]

Since you are already buying from Kidd, why not add the Kidd trigger...its literally one of the best triggers out there amongst any gun triggers lol. Definitely beats the pants off my fancy Geissele AR triggers. I like their two stage triggers. Pure money, just select the weights. Pure money.

Hell, Kidd everything and you can't go wrong. Or next rifle, just get a Kidd complete rifle.

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by M76

BTW aftermarket barrels require light sanding to fit the receiver

I don't recommend sanding anything when the barrel won't simply slip into the receiver.
The best solution is to expand the receiver temporarily while you slip the barrel in and then shrink it to a nice tight fit on the barrel afterwards.
This is done with heat.

[Teachu2]

I built two of these for the wife and I to use as walking guns and loaners for visitors. The grandkids really like them, and they fit everyone. Stock Ruger receivers and bolts, Blackhawk Axiom stocks, Kidd Trigger Job kits, Kidd ULW barrels, Nikon ProStaff 3-9 Rimfire scopes with adjustable objectives, Weaver bases and rings. They weigh right at 5 lbs each, and are much more accurate than expected - the squirrels hate 'em!
or new shooters, especially kids, I strongly favor a scoped rifle. It gives the new shooter instant feedback and encouragement when they can see the hits. Lots more fun, too, with a semi-auto. If they are shooting too fast, control the amount of ammo you give them at a time.

[DB>]

A couple hints - 10/22's are like potato chips - it's hard to just do one... So if you've got several "kids" in the mix, you might consider building a couple?

Since FFL's can charge pretty much whatever they want for "firearms" (which the receiver is...) shipped in from out of state, CALL AROUND to find one that is the most reasonable, and consider that picking up a couple (or more) receivers - you should be able to get at least some FFL's who will combine any costs (+$10 per receiver and whatever their "base" charge is).

I'd say go with the basic/no rail receiver, esp. at the current $80 sale price, you can add whatever Pic rail or riser or whatever more easily and economically via the standard mounting holes. Brownells used to offer a "takedown" model, not sure if they still do, but a Magpul Backpacker build is nice and a bit more expensive due to the takedown hardware. The small gap in between the stock and fore end is pretty much unnoticeable.

The higher end aftermarket barrels are all DESIGNED a little oversized, and all suggest careful sanding to fit - this was on purpose because some older receivers can be a little loose. I've fitted a bunch (TacSol brand, they are under a pound in weight) with no issues, not sure if the heat fitting method would work, as the fit is intentionally "overtight".

As far as stocks go, you need to make sure that the stock fits either the "pencil" barrel (like most stock 10/22's), or a bull barrel. Most are one or the other.

Stocks have a LOT of options, from several bullpup types, to various options with adjustable or folding stocks, mostly with pistol grips, to your more traditional types. There's even one (AAQBD) that lets you remove the barrel with a mechanism and fold the tailstock so that it becomes a "takedown", but without the TD exclusive parts!

A 10/22 build is good fun "project" that the kiddos can definitely participate in, so there might be more value far beyond the parts cost!

If you wanted an AR, best to go that M&P route, but it's not going to be quite as fun and educational, aside from "training" should there be interest down the line in a AR style platform.

There's a reason the Ruger 10/22 is so popular, so it's pretty hard to go wrong, even if it's to buy one stock off the shelf when you find a good sale... just beware that it can be a "gateway" to mods/building your own!

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by DB>

The higher end aftermarket barrels are all DESIGNED a little oversized, and all suggest careful sanding to fit - this was on purpose because some older receivers can be a little loose. I've fitted a bunch (TacSol brand, they are under a pound in weight) with no issues, not sure if the heat fitting method would work, as the fit is intentionally "overtight".

It 100% works.
I have put a LOT of aftermarket 10-22 barrels into all manner of receivers and never once have I needed to remove metal to make them slip in.
Aluminum expands a LOT when heated up a few hundred degrees.

Keeping the fit tight by using thermal expansion gives you a much tighter fit when it cools back down and that's more beneficial to accuracy for the whole life of the barrel than if you took away the tight fit by sanding on the barrel just to make it easier to fit in the one time you install the barrel.

[SNEAKS]

Originally Posted by ar15barrels

It 100% works.
I have put a LOT of aftermarket 10-22 barrels into all manner of receivers and never once have I needed to remove metal to make them slip in.
Aluminum expands a LOT when heated up a few hundred degrees.

Keeping the fit tight by using thermal expansion gives you a much tighter fit when it cools back down and that's more beneficial to accuracy for the whole life of the barrel than if you took away the tight fit by sanding on the barrel just to make it easier to fit in the one time you install the barrel.

This man knows his stuff.