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Old 04-12-2019, 12:45 PM
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Under what circumstances should a pastor resign or be fired? Does your church have bylaws and ruling elders/deacons/trustees? If so, what is their authority?
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I have personally seen one fired and one forced to resign simply because some of the people in the congregation didn't like him. Wrong in my books.

Another in a different church for cheating on his wife. A valid reason in my books.

Is he/she teaching heresy? Are they practicing sin?
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I would prefer not to say on an open forum. I’m more interested in the process and structure at other churches.

I agree, the political power trip stuff is not a good reason to fire a pastor. Sin problems certainly are.
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Check your by-laws, the employment contract (if any) and any other governing docs. That should tell you the process if they were drawn properly. I attended one church that removed a pastor who had not been there too long because he wanted control of everything as senior pastor and was not really competent at running the business side of the church and refused to consider a business pastor reporting to him. This was a large church here in So Cal.
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First, you should go talk to your pastor privately per Matthew 18:15-21; 1 Tim. 5:19; 1 Timothy 3; Titus 1, etc. Share your concerns.

If it's a sin issue, get another elder and go to Matthew 18 step 2 if he doesn't repent.

If it's a qualification issue per 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1, then work through the other elders PER the constitution / bylaws to find the best solution.

The key is NOT to gossip. These processes take lots of prayer and often take lots of time. You don't want to hurt/scatter the sheep.

Become an expert on your constitution/bylaws AND study to determine if they are biblical. Most Christian church constitution/bylaws state that the Bible is the final authority.

Go soft and gentle and privately with the pastor as long as you can.

Obviously, you have wisely chosen not to give details, so it is hard to give details in return!

I'll be praying for your pastor, your church, and for you!

God bless!
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Unrepentant sin
Criminal activity
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Does your church have bylaws and ruling elders/deacons/trustees? If so, what is their authority?
We have elected elders that serve a staggered two year term. (Titus 1:6-9, 1 Timothy 3:8-10,12-13) I guess they could replace the pastor for any of the above if in 100% agreement.
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Issue was addressed with him directly. It is now in the hands of the elders. Sin issue. Sorry to be so cryptic, but I appreciate the help.
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One thing I have noticed through the years, and I think it is because of human nature, there almost becomes an addiction to the power that one in spiritual authority has. I suppose it is because there are many who spiritually afflicted who go the Pastor, and it starts to distort their reality. They don't go down easy even when they know they are walking in sin. They have some bizarre way of justifying their importance of spiritual authority. When the truth eventually becomes revealed make sure every one in leadership becomes as transparent as possible. Cover ups and sweeping under the rug, always always makes it worse. There is a weird rationalization, that if the sin is brought to light, people will leave, or the church will get hurt or whatever dumb excuses. That always backfires. Put a light on sin, and whatever happens, happens. Don't cover it.

I guess Satan knows the best way to take down a church is through leadership, and the Pastor has the biggest target on his back. It saddens me to see the downfall of so many spiritual leaders.But I don't lose hope because my hope was never in a person any way. Sad none the less.

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Excellent analysis, creampuff.
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First, you should go talk to your pastor privately per Matthew 18:15-21; 1 Tim. 5:19; 1 Timothy 3; Titus 1, etc. Share your concerns.

If it's a sin issue, get another elder and go to Matthew 18 step 2 if he doesn't repent.

If it's a qualification issue per 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1, then work through the other elders PER the constitution / bylaws to find the best solution.

The key is NOT to gossip. These processes take lots of prayer and often take lots of time. You don't want to hurt/scatter the sheep.

Become an expert on your constitution/bylaws AND study to determine if they are biblical. Most Christian church constitution/bylaws state that the Bible is the final authority.

Go soft and gentle and privately with the pastor as long as you can.

Obviously, you have wisely chosen not to give details, so it is hard to give details in return!

I'll be praying for your pastor, your church, and for you!

God bless!
Excellent!!

I would only add that Pastors like every other human is a sinner in need of our Savior.
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9/10 it's a sexual sin.
That's the downfall of most people of influence.
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