Milpitas Lowers are BACK BABY!

[artherd]

Don knows how to take the gloves off!

[Nefarious]

Seems we have had alot of good news this month. What else do we have on our plates

[Jarhead4]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

1911,

You'll note that Don and I explained that to her pretty forcefully. She knew that when I sued her I would be deemed to have title to the firearms. It actually points out an interesting loophole. On the face of California law, a court or LEA could be forced to turn a gun seized from an FFL before a 4473 directly to an actual owner without creating a 4473.

-Gene

From your letter to Allison it sounds like she was abusing her authority and knew it. I think that is grounds for being fired and disbarred. Then again, I think this is just one of many actions she took that deserves the same punishment. Shouldn’t we ask the federal government investigate this?

By the way, I want to say thank you to all of you that made this happen. I will be seeing Rob Monday to re-DROS. Maybe this time it work.

[Smokeybehr]

Originally Posted by Jarhead4

From your letter to Allison it sounds like she was abusing her authority and knew it. I think that is grounds for being fired and disbarred. Then again, I think this is just one of many actions she took that deserves the same punishment. Shouldn’t we ask the federal government investigate this?

By the way, I want to say thank you to all of you that made this happen. I will be seeing Rob Monday to re-DROS. Maybe this time it work.

Repeat after me: "1983 violation"

This whole fiasco is another example of the AG's office creating laws when they damned well want to instead of enforcing the ones on the books.

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by Smokeybehr

Repeat after me: "1983 violation"

She caved before we could file. The moment we'd have filed the list of settlement demands would have ballooned.

-Gene

[detmeng]

To all those responsible for getting this resolved THANK YOU. I have been thru the letter writing to the DOJ and several useless phone calls to no avail. You, my friends have shown the fortitude and the patience of Job in dealing with Allison et al. I will be contacting RMB after Xmas to re dros my single DS receiver. Again thanks.

[dwtt]

I would like to attend the party in January. I missed the original incident because I bought a Fulton Arms receiver one week earlier from RMB. I also hope we get some of the happy owners for a group picture that can be sent to Allison and Iggy. Maybe not.

[Technowizard]

Originally Posted by dwtt

I also hope we get some of the happy owners for a group picture that can be sent to Allison and Iggy. Maybe not.

That would be awesome! LOL! Hell I'd even pose in full dress blues uniform for that one (hiding my name tag avoid any UCMJ stuff of course... something about recent problems with other military personnel and pictures of their OLL.... )!

[Fate]

Awesome news. Where's the pic of Nelson from the Simpsons saying, "Ha - Ha!" ? LOL

[ivanimal]

I would like to go on record and say you guys made my Christmas. Not because I had a dog in the fight but because this is a lesson I can really relate to. It gives new hope that someday we will no longer be harassed by the people that are supposed to be here to protect the law. When will they learn that good people will fight for their rights and not allow them to make up Law and try to enforce it.

[Phantom_Piney]

Congratulations to you Artherd, and to all those who made this possible. I am sure this is just the beginning of better things to come for OLL in the state of California.

Once again Congratulations!!!

[Matt C]

Calguns is racking up victory after victory and showing that we Will Not Back Down.

[rickca]

Great News! Congrats to All!

[atek3]

would you like me to call you to provide my NH FFL's contact info?

thanks,
atek3

[bwiese]

I hear steam was coming off John Marsh's ears as Don Kilmer & RMB checked each & every reciever for serial #s and damage (during 2006 raid & while in DOJ 'inventory').

They just wanted to throw the 220+ receivers at 'em and have 'em leave.

I'm surprised Iggy just didn't put 'em in a brown paper bag and meet them in an Albertson's parking lot, like he did with mistakenly-seized C&R gun.

[hoffmang]

And remember everyone. Ben Cannon is a SL*T!

-Gene

[Jarhead4]

Originally Posted by bwiese

I hear steam was coming off John Marsh's ears as Don Kilmer & RMB checked each & every reciever for serial #s and damage (during 2006 raid & while in DOJ 'inventory').

They just wanted to throw the 220+ receivers at 'em and have 'em leave.

I'm surprised Iggy just didn't put 'em in a brown paper bag and meet them in an Albertson's parking lot, like he did with mistakenly-seized C&R gun.

I wish we were all there to see their faces!! A few extra smirks in their direction wouldn’t of hurt. May be we should get a group picture and make Christmas cards out of them and send it to them, just as a reminder.

[Jarhead4]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

And remember everyone. Ben Cannon is a SL*T!

-Gene

Oh my!

[hoffmang]

Jar,

That was written on one of the bags by one of the group buy volunteers but it lead to some funny conversation between Don, RMB, and John Marsh.

-Gene

[bwiese]

Originally Posted by Jarhead4

I wish we were all there to see their faces!!

Too bad I didn't have a chance (time off) to get stuff on video.

[Jarhead4]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

Jar,

That was written on one of the bags by one of the group buy volunteers but it lead to some funny conversation between Don, RMB, and John Marsh.

-Gene

Gene

I'm sure it did! It is funny!!!

[artherd]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

And remember everyone. Ben Cannon is a SL*T!

-Gene

HAH! That guy gets around!

PS: I hear Alison has a crush on me, perhaps that's why the lowers were taken?

[artherd]

Originally Posted by Technowizard

That would be awesome! LOL! Hell I'd even pose in full dress blues uniform for that one (hiding my name tag avoid any UCMJ stuff of course... something about recent problems with other military personnel and pictures of their OLL.... )!

I think this is a great idea.

[artherd]

Originally Posted by Blackwater OPS

Calguns is racking up victory after victory and showing that we Will Not Back Down.

DAMN RIGHT BROTHER!

[Wulf]

Originally Posted by artherd

HAH! That guy gets around!

PS: I hear Alison has a crush on me, perhaps that's why the lowers were taken?

Like it grade school where you pick on the little girl you're most interested in and she treats you like scum because she feels the same way about you.

[jdberger]

Originally Posted by Jarhead4

From your letter to Allison it sounds like she was abusing her authority and knew it. I think that is grounds for being fired and disbarred. Then again, I think this is just one of many actions she took that deserves the same punishment. Shouldn’t we ask the federal government investigate this?

By the way, I want to say thank you to all of you that made this happen. I will be seeing Rob Monday to re-DROS. Maybe this time it work.

Why on earth would we have Allison fired or disbarred. She's done more for gun owners and gun rights in California than CRPA.

Personally, I think that she might be an NRA plant....

[Jarhead4]

Originally Posted by jdberger

Why on earth would we have Allison fired or disbarred. She's done more for gun owners and gun rights in California than CRPA.

Personally, I think that she might be an NRA plant....

Hmmm, good point. I haven't thought of it taht way.

By the way, I re-DROS my lower today!!!! Less than two weeks now!!

[Matt C]

Originally Posted by jdberger

Why on earth would we have Allison fired or disbarred. She's done more for gun owners and gun rights in California than CRPA.

Personally, I think that she might be an NRA plant....

SSHHHHHHH!!!!! Brady reads this forum too! We don't want them to fire/replace her!

[bwiese]

Originally Posted by Blackwater OPS

SSHHHHHHH!!!!! Brady reads this forum too! We don't want them to fire/replace her!

Hahah, hehee.

Indeed, there are Some People that call her, "my favorite paper generator".

The best achievement of the OLL revolution was not the OLLs themselves, but the mounds of Alison/DOJ paperwork created that boxed themselves into the corner.

[383green]

Originally Posted by bwiese

Indeed, there are Some People that call her, "my favorite paper generator".

Are "Some People" the same people as "the Right People"? I don't know who the Right People are, but I get the impression that they're not people I'd want to mess with.

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by 383green

Are "Some People" the same people as "the Right People"?
I don't know who the Right People are, but I get the impression that they're not people I'd want to mess with.

I always love it when Bill says "the right people are on it".

[harley66]

Need some guidance here... Son bought his lower from this Milpitas shop - he was one of the lucky ones whos Lower was taken/held/stolen (however you want to say it, lol) Any, just called him to ask if he has heard anything?? He said he wrote this off long ago - I told him about this post... ask him what if any paperwork he had... he said all he got way back when was an email stating that his elect payment was received.. then all the crap happened... No more contact - this was so long ago that he does not have that email any longer

So, what if anything can he do now??? thanks...

harley0711@yahoo.com

[Cisco]

Thats all I got with both my lowers from the first buy and the second. No bill of sale or reciept.It was not a problem on the first so I hope it wont be this time.

[harley66]

Second question now... I have read through all 16 pages and maybe I am just missing it ??????????????

back in the very begining I bought a lower, waited my 10 days and picked it up, no problem.... then ALL the yes we can build, no we can't build then well, maybe we can build but have to have a Mag lock installed , then maybe not... I got so tired of trying to figure it all out - a friend WANTED my lower, so, I sold it... Now my stepson is suppose to get his from the group that was seized......

So, here is 'my' question... Since I have been out of touch on these - can lowers here in CA be built into a weapon - detachable mag and all???

[Ech0Sierra]

YES, But no pistol grip.

[harley66]

So, really nothing has changed from two years ago??? If a pistol grip is to be kept - the mag Must be pinned??? I do remember all the posts about the {yes its legal - no its NOT leagal} on the mag pins/locks} ??

Like I said - I have been out of this for the past two years... I do have friends that have just gone ahead and build a full AR15 weapon and have been having fun with it.. - However, I would Not want to be with them when a gunho LEO sees them - if nothing has changed in the current laws...

[Ech0Sierra]

Nothing has changed, there have only been times of paranoia and times of lax concern for the law. The laws are the same.

[M. Sage]

C'mon... stuff has changed in two years. Our execution has gotten a lot better.

Bullet button (vs other mag locks).

U-15 and Monsterman Grip (vs having.. err... nothing).

Admittedly, not a LOT has changed, but it's gotten a lot more comfy using your off-list rifles.

[383green]

Originally Posted by Ech0Sierra

YES, But no pistol grip.

You can build either a "featureless" build (no pistol grip, flash hider, etc.) that can have a detachable magazine, or a "fixed magazine" build which needs a pinned 10 (or less) round magazine, but can have a pistol grip and any other "evil" features.

The Bullet Button style magazine latch is a nice way to build a fixed magazine gun, but still be able to remove the magazine when necessary for maintenance, loading, clearing a jam, etc. Just make sure you never put in a magazine which holds more than 10 rounds.

If you want to be able to use larger magazines and/or drop magazines without using a tool, then you will need to use something like a MonsterMan grip in place of a pistol grip, and make sure that the build doesn't have any of the other banned "evil" features.

[Ech0Sierra]

I'm thinking of making a shooting glove with a 4mm long 1/16" rivet glued to the index finger of a shooting glove. The glove could be the "tool!"