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12-20-2007, 1:05 AM
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Milpitas Lowers are BACK BABY!
19-DECEMBER, 2007. MILPITIAS, CA.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE. Nearly 2 years after they were siezed, amidst much controversy, 219 hotly contested firearm components have been returned to their rightful owners. Thanks to the combined efforts of members of calguns.net, a web forum promoting individual rights, unlawfully taken personal property has been returned to it's rightful and legal owners. Participants must undergo yet another 10-day waiting period, as these harmless looking chunks of aluminum are still technically 'firearms'. This is yet another example of what good people can do when we come together openly and honestly. I thank you all for your continued support, and look forward to what 2008 will bring. All Milpitas Group Buyers are cordially invited to a release party early Jan 2008, date and venue info will be distributed. Thank you to the following, without your help: Scatch Maroo Rob Blank, RMB Gene Hoffman Jason Davis, TMLLP Chuck Michel, TMLLP NRA Calguns.net Paul Kestryll Ramon blackrazor Bill Wiese Matt Corwin All the rest who must remain nameless. EDIT to add: One small step for Off List Lowers, one giant leap for mankind. RMB Enterprises. 1000 Jacklin Road. Milpitas, CA 95035. Phone: (408) 946-5289. Fax: (408) 946-5378.
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- Ben Cannon. Chairman, CEO - GPal, Inc.™ CoFounder - GeoVario™, LLC. - the hosting company that brings you Calguns™ Postings are my own, and are not formal positions of any other entity, or legal advice. Last edited by artherd; 12-21-2007 at 10:30 AM.. 
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12-20-2007, 1:10 AM
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Great news for the OLL movement and for the owners of the lowers.
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12-20-2007, 1:22 AM
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HELL YES! Score 1 for freedom!
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12-20-2007, 3:42 AM
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Longest waiting period ever.
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12-20-2007, 4:18 AM
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It's a Black (rifle) Christmas!
Three solid wins. Can it get better?  We're on a roll. Heller is next!!
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12-20-2007, 4:23 AM
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THE CALGUNS COMMUNITY ROCKS!
This is just another jewel in our victory crown this year!! I'm proud to be part of all this.
Well done!!!
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12-20-2007, 4:25 AM
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Funny, I was just thinking to myself, "I've got one more year to decide what kind of an upper I want".
Ben, do you have any details on RMB's preferred pickup "procedure"? Thanks again for all your help and going through a ton of BS to get us lowers.
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#9
12-20-2007, 5:01 AM
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Holy smokes!
You'll have them in TWO (working) WEEKS! 
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12-20-2007, 5:02 AM
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I can't believe my babies are finally coming home.
Some of my friends said it would never happen. Boy are they going to be surprised when I show them my new toys!
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12-20-2007, 5:02 AM
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per rob- please call and make an appointment OR you can try your luck on an intermittent schedule from 9a-3p
If you have bought or sold an interest in a lower please have Both persons come in, and bring a photocopy of a valid bill of sale. Tell your friends that when Ben Cannon says something is going to happen, it happens!
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- Ben Cannon. Chairman, CEO - GPal, Inc.™ CoFounder - GeoVario™, LLC. - the hosting company that brings you Calguns™ Postings are my own, and are not formal positions of any other entity, or legal advice.
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12-20-2007, 5:27 AM
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Wow, that is great news. Good job Ben.
Gene, do you want to buy some Superior Lowers now?
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12-20-2007, 6:04 AM
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wes, funny you mention those... Give me a call.
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12-20-2007, 6:06 AM
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12-20-2007, 6:22 AM
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sgt raven, I am thinking of puting together a classic-car style registry
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12-20-2007, 7:12 AM
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Congratulations, that's great news. What are the details of the release from BOF?
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12-20-2007, 7:12 AM
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Congratulations guys. Congratulations to us all and many many thanks to everyone who helped make this happen.
I think this proves that CA is NOT a lost cause as some others seem to believe.
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12-20-2007, 8:18 AM
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Copied to the 2A forum for better exposure.
Very cool, this is turning out to be a darn good December!! 
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12-20-2007, 8:34 AM
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Great news!
Good things come in threes . . . First BWO, now this . . . what's next?
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12-20-2007, 8:38 AM
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Great news,,,, Never doubted you guys for a minute.
Now I have to send a letter to the agents who seized them and thank them for keeping my lower safe for me all these many months. I think we should send a, Milpitas Group Buy Photo Holiday card to A.M et all. Just to let them know that we legal firearm owners are harboring no hard feelings towards them.....  BTL OK maybe not.
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12-20-2007, 9:11 AM
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More good news! Great job to everyone that helped make this happen.
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12-20-2007, 9:36 AM
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I'll post the docs later, but here is a basic background from my point of view allowing Ben to comment on some of his details separately.
I acquired the interest in 2 Lauers from other CGN members. I filed for a LEGR on my two lowers that I got back in mid July of this year. I engaged Don Kilmer to and filed the LEGR and a pleasant request for release of those lowers directly to me pursuant to the law in late July. We hadn't heard back from BoF so we sent a less pleasant demand (including a threat of legal action) but it turns out that our demand and Alison Merrilees' response crossed in the mail. She claimed that because I didn't own the lowers when seized I couldn't claim my own property. She also tried to claim that I couldn't get them back because they weren't registered in AFS (read a handgun or an AW) which is just laughable. We responded asking telling her she was wrong on the law and demanding to know why she was claiming that long guns were registered in California. We then told her that we would accept her transferring the lowers to an FFL of mutual convenience for final transfer to me and gave her seven days which was the end of August. We didn't hear anything back and began drafting a lawsuit for violation of my due process rights under the 14th and 5th. Alison, under pressure from us and from TMLLP on Ben's behalf, finally sent a letter in mid September stating that she was closing her supposed investigation and instructing Ben to tell BoF where to send the lowers. Due to some crazy schedules (try co-ordinating two law firms and two busy entrepreneurs plus an FFL ) it took us some time to get the pickup arranged.Yesterday (Wed Dec 19) Don Kilmer and the Milpitas FFL drove to the BoF training center in Rancho Cordova and picked up 219 off list lower receivers. A small group of us got together for a celebratory steak and to plan some more new trouble that we'll be talking about in the new year. Merry Christmas Calguns! -Gene
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Last edited by hoffmang; 12-20-2007 at 10:27 AM.. Reason: Keep the client and lawyer straight...
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12-20-2007, 9:50 AM
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I love it! This has been a good week.
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12-20-2007, 9:52 AM
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This is great news. Score another one for calguns.
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12-20-2007, 10:06 AM
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Ben,Gene,While I don't have a dog in this fight I just want to thank you both for standing up for the rights of gun owners in our state and sticking it to the BOF and letting them know that gun owners will no longer be pushed around and will fight for our legal right to own these rifles.Thank you both very much
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12-20-2007, 10:12 AM
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The "Case dismissal of Matthew Corwin" & the "Return of Milpitas Lowers" bounded to be the 2007 HIGHLIGHTS of Calguns.net and the BEST X'mas present for us all.
CONGRAT!!!!!!!! 
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#39
12-20-2007, 10:20 AM
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Outstanding news!! You guys fought a tough clean fight through to the finish and you are (not that we didnt know already) the winners!
My hats off to all you guys!
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