Underground Regulation: Non Rosterable Frames - Page 3

**Librarian** · #81 03-02-2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuyW

So a non-fireable gun is defacto "safe", yes?

What safety-nazi can object to a non-firing gun?
.

But is it "not-unsafe"?

artherd · #82 03-02-2009, 3:09 PM

"The Calguns Foundation - teaching state lawyers the actual meaning of the law since 2008"

I like it

hoffmang · #83 03-02-2009, 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by artherd

"The guys who would become Calguns Foundation - teaching state lawyers the actual meaning of the law since 2006"

Fixed it for you.

-Gene

artherd · #84 03-02-2009, 10:25 PM

hehehehe - BAM!

tonelar · #85 03-03-2009, 11:04 PM

Can you guys say which ffl(s) are working with CGF on NeRF ing?

CSDGuy · #86 03-03-2009, 11:15 PM

As I see it, a NRF can't be unsafe or not-unsafe simply because it can't be tested. A brick would be just as testable... and would have the same outcome as a NRF.

artherd · #87 03-03-2009, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonelar

Can you guys say which ffl(s) are working with CGF on NeRF ing?

**** NO man! IF we could, we would. When the time comes, we will

Till then, please keep in mind that I started on OLLs in 2003. They didn't happen till 2005. Good things take strategic planning, time, and a metric assload of money

7x57 · #88 03-03-2009, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSDGuy

As I see it, a NRF can't be unsafe or not-unsafe simply because it can't be tested. A brick would be just as testable... and would have the same outcome as a NRF.

Ahhh! Shut up, shut up, shut up!!!!! We do NOT want them to think about that. If they do, they'll be after our bricks next.

7x57

383green · #89 03-03-2009, 11:36 PM

I'm happy to see that you're not using those silly imperial units of money.

thatrogue · #90 03-03-2009, 11:45 PM

CalGuns foundation feels a little like are own little "Sons of Liberty" some 230 years later.

wildhawker · #91 03-04-2009, 5:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7x57

Ahhh! Shut up, shut up, shut up!!!!! We do NOT want them to think about that. If they do, they'll be after our bricks next.

7x57

AM and DOJ... seizing un-rostered chimney stacks since 2009...

tonelar · #92 03-04-2009, 8:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by artherd

**** NO man! IF we could, we would. When the time comes, we will

Ok. I'll just hope they're in the Bay Area. Or at least in NoCal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by artherd

Good things take strategic planning, time, and a metric assload of money

The Olde' English Imperial Assload wasn't practical to standardize.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 383green

I'm happy to see that you're not using those silly imperial units of money.

God Save the Metric Assload!

wash · #93 03-04-2009, 8:55 AM

Someone let me know when the first FFL starts doing these, I want to bring in an Automag from out of state.

Dirty Harry style.

MP5 · #94 03-06-2009, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wash

Someone let me know when the first FFL starts doing these, I want to bring in an Automag from out of state.

Dirty Harry style.

Doesn't Dirty Harry use a model 29? Nice work on the NeRFs Gene, much appreciated.

Shotgun Man · #95 03-06-2009, 2:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoffmang

So far, I haven't spotted any typos in this one...

-Gene

Not a typo but a usage comment. You write:

Quote:

Based on the statutory rule of interpretation

expressio unius est exclusio alterius (“the expression

of one thing is the exclusion of another”), the only legally tenable interpretation of the term
“unsafe handgun” in PC §12125 – PC §12133 is that the frame or receiver of the weapon cannot

be an “unsafe handgun.” This is because none of those sections are referenced in PC §12001(c).

You employ this convention of stating code section ranges consistently throughout your petition.

Ranges are normally expressed, e.g., as "§§PC 12125-12133."

Nice job. Keep up the good work.

hoffmang · #96 03-06-2009, 2:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shotgun Man

You employ this convention of stating code section ranges consistently throughout your petition.

Ranges are normally expressed, e.g., as "§§PC 12125-12133."

Thanks for the tip!

-Gene

wilshire1412 · #97 03-06-2009, 4:25 PM

Automag is on the C&R list, if I am correct? I think the hard part is getting an out of state dealer to send it here as they don't want to deal with the other paperwork involved to prove that they are in fact a dealer.

wash · #98 03-06-2009, 5:24 PM

Really, they are C&R?

Can I get one with a stock?

wilshire1412 · #99 03-06-2009, 8:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wash

Really, they are C&R?

Can I get one with a stock?

I think the stock would be an NFA bust, but I am not sure if there is a work around with C&R handguns. I think some old Winchester 1892's that were made with trapper barrels shorter than 16" may have been exempted from the NFA rule regarding barrel length. I am not sure about the handguns although there are many around such as the Broomhandle Mauser and the old P-35 HP that were cut for shoulder stock/holsters.

MP5 · #**100** 03-20-2009, 10:54 AM

is the automag really C&R? and does that apply to all automags?

MP5 · #**101** 03-20-2009, 10:57 AM

like the automag II

**ke6guj** · #**102** 03-20-2009, 12:07 PM

I don't see any automags listed, and AFAIK, none of them are 50+ years old.

MP5 · #**103** 03-20-2009, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ke6guj

I don't see any automags listed, and AFAIK, none of them are 50+ years old.

there are other C&R exemtions than 50 years old...does the Automag fall into one of those other categories

CHS · #**104** 03-20-2009, 1:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MP5

there are other C&R exemtions than 50 years old...does the Automag fall into one of those other categories

That's what he meant by "listed".

There are only two ways to be a C&R:

1.) Firearm is more than 50 years old
2.) The BATFE has determined the firearm to be a C&R and add's it to the list of C&R's.

If the Automag is neither, then it is not a C&R.

MP5 · #**105** 03-20-2009, 2:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilshire1412

Automag is on the C&R list, if I am correct? I think the hard part is getting an out of state dealer to send it here as they don't want to deal with the other paperwork involved to prove that they are in fact a dealer.

where can I find a copy of the C&R list, according to this the automag may be on it

**ke6guj** · #**106** 03-20-2009, 2:18 PM

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm

MP5 · #**107** 03-20-2009, 5:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ke6guj

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm

Auto-Mag pistols, calibers .44 AMP and .357 AMP, mfd. and/or assembled by Auto-Mag Corporation, TDE, OMC,

Thank You

**ke6guj** · #**108** 03-20-2009, 5:48 PM

doh, glanced right past that. And I even did a page search to double-check. but a search for "automag" does not find "auto-mag"

IMC87 · #**109** 03-23-2009, 10:17 PM

Updates?

CHS · #**110** 03-23-2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMC87

Updates?

no.

hoffmang · #**111** 03-23-2009, 11:22 PM

OAL has 60 days to accept or reject the petition. Their 60 days is up approximately April 28, 2009 so around then is when you should expect an update.

-Gene

D.R.E. · #**112** 04-29-2009, 1:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoffmang

OAL has 60 days to accept or reject the petition. Their 60 days is up approximately April 28, 2009 so around then is when you should expect an update.

-Gene

And the verdict is?

JeffM · #**113** 04-29-2009, 1:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.R.E.

And the verdict is?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=176408

MP5 · #**114** 05-01-2009, 9:07 AM

This is old we've moved on to this:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=179227

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