Underground Regulation: Non Rosterable Frames

[hoffmang]

All,

Just dispatched by courier is this petition to the Office of Administrative Law showing that it is an underground regulation to claim that the frame or receiver of a handgun is an "unsafe handgun" under California Law.

The OAL generally takes about 60 days to determine whether they will review the underground regulation petition or not so stay tuned.

-Gene

[PolishMike]

first in a big thread.


Hope this works out in our favor

EDIT: So I take it this puts NeRFs on hold for a long while?

[Cypren]

Beautiful. I had never noticed that 12125 wasn't listed in 12001(c) -- that's a brilliant find.

[G17GUY]

Thats some damn good news!

So was DOJ already notified but refuse to respond?

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

And so it starts.

[alexander]

That was worth the two week wait. Thanks Gene.

[nat]

Good stuff!

[FreshTapCoke]

This forum is one of the most amazing things I've ever had the pleasure of being involved with.

[leelaw]

So I wonder how many "they're not doing anything about NRFs!!" guys will eat their words now.


<crickets>

Good job, CGF.

[383green]

Great job!

I wonder if you can clarify one point: Is the preparation and dispatch of this petition the only thing that was delaying the first NeRF transfers, or will y'all still be waiting for the OAL response?

[PolishMike]

Originally Posted by leelaw

So I wonder how many "they're not doing anything about NRFs!!" guys will eat their words now.


<crickets>

Good job, CGF.

Can you explain in "lay-terms" what this means to us and why it took several months?

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by G17GUY

So was DOJ already notified but refuse to respond?

When they basically didn't wish to discuss or consider a non hard line with the Capacity to Accept regulation, I took that to mean that waiting for them to respond on the NRF items wouldn't be worth the delay.

I'll post up the PRAR timelines and communications that lead to this filing when I have a chance. They are amusing. Right now I've got some other things to take care of.

-Gene

[yellowfin]

How good is the OAL in dealing with such matters? Are they reliable to not have any buddy buddying with the BoF?

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by 383green

I wonder if you can clarify one point: Is the preparation and dispatch of this petition the only thing that was delaying the first NeRF transfers, or will y'all still be waiting for the OAL response?

We have a CGF board meeting tonight. As you can see we've been a bit preoccupied getting the two petitions together so we'll have that plan though through and announced shortly.

Short answer: dunno at this exact second but will know very soon.

-Gene

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by yellowfin2

How good is the OAL in dealing with such matters? Are they reliable to not have any buddy buddying with the BoF?

They were very effective to deal with on our first petition. You should have confidence they will handle this fairly.

-Gene

[gd-bh]

However it turns out, "thank you" for the obviously large effort that went into this and the other petition. Let's hope that the "good guys" win this one, and send the anti's into a hasty retreat.

[383green]

Thanks for the clarification, Gene. I'm not in a hurry... I was just curious.

Also, my eyes pop wide open when you say things like "Right now I've got some other things to take care of". Ok, that could mean that you have to go feed the dogs, fix a clogged drain, etc., but somehow I think you're casually arming another legal nuke to lob at our enemies...

[G17GUY]

This is awsome, good job!

[Fedge]

Thank you, Gene, for all the hard work you and the CGF do for us. I can think of no more honorable act then restoring our rights here in California and you've done an absolutely outstanding job of helping all of us defend our rights. I shall (continue to) support calguns and the CGF as you pave the way forward.

Thanks.

[bwiese]

Gene and I would be willing to NeRF even now, but to truly make things work en masse we need to do things right.

Thus, this drama came to pass: we thought it would be avoidable or be sorted quickly but it escalated instead.

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by 383green

Also, my eyes pop wide open when you say things like "Right now I've got some other things to take care of". Ok, that could mean that you have to go feed the dogs, fix a clogged drain, etc., but somehow I think you're casually arming another legal nuke to lob at our enemies...

"What digital timer device deemed 'defense articles'' are you referring to officer?"



-Gene

[blackberg]

Looks good

-bb

[yellowfin]

Indeed it is fine work. Many thanks for your excellent effort and attention to detail. Now, to make some more cash to take part in this marvelous revolution...

[avidone]

Thank you so much!

[Ford8N]

Originally Posted by bwiese

Gene and I would be willing to NeRF even now, but to truly make things work en masse we need to do things right.

Thus, this drama came to pass: we thought it would be avoidable or be sorted quickly but it escalated instead.

So "they" want to fight it out at the OAL. I guess that makes sense since a certain employee is a puppet of the Brady group.

[wolf13]

Good news!

[tgriffin]

Gene...Bill...The Right People...Gods. 'nuff said

[Hopi]

Originally Posted by Ford8N

So "they" want to fight it out at the OAL. I guess that makes sense since a certain employee is a puppet of the Brady group.

and what a fun opponent she's been......as Gene has said "she's the gift that keeps on giving."

[damon1272]

Gene and Bill, you are truly EVIL people....in the State's eye. You are definetly an asset to us though! Thanks for your good work!

[CapS]

You guys arejust awesome.

/Cap

[dfletcher]

If I were on the other side I would not like us.

[yellowfin]

Originally Posted by dfletcher

If I were on the other side I would not like us.

They are completely free to take a 100 foot bungee jump with a 150 foot cord.

[cal_ar_shooter]

Thank you for all the hard work you have done for us here.

[thedrickel]

Damn I knew I should have written down Rickel, Zed, NMN

on that 4473!

[CHS]

This thread makes me happy in many many ways

[RRangel]

Originally Posted by Ford8N

So "they" want to fight it out at the OAL. I guess that makes sense since a certain employee is a puppet of the Brady group.

Don't forget LCAV.

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by thedrickel

Damn I knew I should have written down Rickel, Zed, NMN

on that 4473!

A hat tip to the man who scanned.

I used to want Alison gone. Now I don't want her to ever leave...

Thanks Alison

-Gene

[trashman]

Exciting stuff guys - a good reminder that sometimes the insurgents wear business suits and really nice Florsheims!

--Neill

[Quiet]

[oaklander]

The side effect to all of this is that Alison will soon develop a phobia when it comes to getting (1) FEDEX letters, and (2) emails from anyone on the CGF.