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Old 10-01-2019, 8:29 PM
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Just completed the Rifle Marksman course yesterday. Definitely worth attending. Had Mark Iverson for a range master. Very good range master. The pace of the class is much slower than other Front Sight courses but in a good way. I would highly recommend doing this course before Practical Rifle as this is about accuracy. Some recommendations if you choose to take the course.

Caliber - .223 is OK as long as you can shoot 69grn and up. Not worth shooting 55 grn due to wind out there.

.224 Valkarie, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmore, and 308 are better.

Know your dopes or have a rough idea out to 350. 50 or 25 yard zero works well for this course. Write down your dope. Can be referenced on the test.

Rifle - Don't bring a heavy rifle. You will suffer off hand at 35 and 50. You may have trouble at 75 & 100 due to not being able to use a rest. Under 10 lbs is a good weight.
Shoot your rifle before you go!. More than 500 rounds. Saw guys fight extraction issues and ejection issues because they didn't try their gear before they went.

Scope - 4x power and up is good. Can be done with a 3x9 but higher magnification is a plus. Just want the lower magnification at 35 and 50. I was able to do it with 6.5x but it sucked. Make sure your stock fit well and the scope height is right! Have a scope with reference marks as it helps for elevation and windage. This course is all hold over rather than dialing your scope in. Have a level. Helps a lot for the longer distances.

Sling - Have a good sling with strong mounts. Watched a 4K+ rifle bounce off the ground. There was a collective ouch by all. Practice with your sling getting into position.

Bi-pod - Have one with feet that will dig into the dirt. Personally I shot off my backpack and had no issues. Actually I liked it better and left the bi-pods off the rifle.

No shooting mats are allowed. Have knee and elbow pads for the gravel. Bring some goggles for real windy days.
Center to center on the large targets is 12". Center target to side target is 7".

0 - 2 down is DG
3-4 down is Graduate
5 or more is Certificate.
Only 18 shots for the final.

Lastly, don't be married to your set up. Be willing to make some changes such as sling position, body position, stock set up, etc.

Planning on making a few minor changes and then trying the class again soon. I learned a lot!
Here is my write up from earlier in the year
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Old 10-02-2019, 7:17 AM
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If you don't have a bipod, get one. There is a 125gr factory load out there. I don't know how accurate it is in your rifle or at 350yds, but your shoulder will thank you. It's either that or a Past Recoil pad.

There will be dust all over everything at the end of the day. A shower and clean clothes when you get back from class will make a big difference.

Knee and elbow pads can be found on Amazon or Big 5 Sports. There are rocks all over the ground.

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Old 10-02-2019, 7:56 AM
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The earliest write up is on page 259. I would start from there and read some of the really informative posts. There are copies of the targets with distances in there. What day are you planning on taking the course?
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...18454&page=259
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Old 10-02-2019, 5:04 PM
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Thanks for the tips. I'll look back to page 259. I've taken 4 day practical rifle and a 2 day skill builder with DG. My group is planning for April of next year private training. Although I just saw a upcoming sale for a Thompson center compass for $250. Maybe I'll pick one up in 6.5 creedmoor for the marksmanship class.
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Old 10-03-2019, 7:21 AM
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Other than burying them in the desert as has been suggested, are there any short-term firearms storage options around Pahrump or LV? I'm taking HCMP and PR privates a few days before a week long Grand Canyon rafting trip. (And no, I can't bring it on the raft.)
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Old 10-03-2019, 6:59 PM
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Although I just saw a upcoming sale for a Thompson center compass for $250. Maybe I'll pick one up in 6.5 creedmoor for the marksmanship class.
I think it's a great idea. Very good BC and lightweight. Not sure of it's accuracy, but I would try it. I posted a deal on that rifle a few weeks ago. Looks like it's still going on.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1557495
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Old 10-06-2019, 6:36 AM
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I use a Thompson center venture for ~ 6 yrs on precision rifle in 308, it shoots below 1 moa and was $218 when I got it, paired it with a SWFA 10-30 scope and has served me well for under $500.
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Old 10-06-2019, 9:38 PM
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Has anyone taken this free Constitution Course that's being offed? Im interested but that's a long day, it starts at 6pm just after the final lecture. Is it worth checking out?

Thanks!
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:17 PM
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If you didn't have one already, maybe this would help you out?
Thompson Center Compass 6.5 CM $230 Shipped. That's almost the price LCU1670 paid 6 years ago.
https://www.smga.com/thompson-center...bl-comp-4-1389
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:32 PM
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Saw some discussion that you can buy class certificates on ebay that are fairly cheap. These are completely legit yes? I wouldn't mind getting into a Patriot membership but it's likely something I'd be able to use once a year so it's a tough sell.
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Old 10-08-2019, 5:34 PM
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I received a call today from Front Sight stating that the Rifle Marksmanship evaluation scoring changed and I was now a Distinguished Graduate. I dropped 4 on the final and 4 happens to be the new threshold for DG. Anyone else get that call?
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Old 10-08-2019, 6:41 PM
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Now you need to take the 4D Precision class.

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Old 10-08-2019, 9:03 PM
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Diceman
The carts are legit just donít know where you ar getting them specifically. Contact Comeshootwithme.com Jason has certainly and memberships.

Rank1-
I got the same call today. Great but Iím not sure Iím good with that. I legit dropped two and then didnít hear the correct target called out so dropped two due to wrong target.
I have to go back for my son anyways. Until I do it 2 down or better I donít really feel that I DGed.
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Old 10-08-2019, 9:28 PM
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My son got the call. He can now move onto Precision Rifle now.
He will probably take the RM class agin with me anyway.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:09 AM
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The DG is nice but I donít have a precision rig nor the funds for one right now. If you could do smaller bore then I would be in great shape.
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Old 10-09-2019, 2:16 PM
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We understand that Dr. P and Wayne LaPierre are friends and that Dr. P and most of us are proud supporters of the NRA. I will continue to support the NRA regardless of their current internal issues. However, I did see something this morning that all FS members will be familiar with. The email looks something like this..

Dear NorthBay,

Youíve stood by me through some of the toughest battles ever fought by NRA.

Together, weíve answered historyís call and achieved enormous victories against overwhelming odds. When NRA needed leadership, you never hesitated to step forward with your voice, your vote, and your contributions of hard-earned dollars.

Your friendship has meant the world to me. Youíve made it possible for us to defend and strengthen our Second Amendment freedom.

And every gun owner in America owes you a tremendous debt of gratitude.

For that reason, I submitted your name to the NRA Honors Committee for membership in the Golden Eagles and to receive one of our highest honors: The NRA National Patriotís Medal.


I can now join the Golden Eagles and get a Certificate, a hat, a pin and....

It seems Wayne has taken a page from the FS marketing book to help with membership.
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Old 10-09-2019, 4:19 PM
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I have been an NRA for 50 years plus and I think they need a restructuring on there higher level management - I am only going by what I have read and if true, some employees having been taking advantage of a good thing. I realize you have to spend money to make money, to keep the fighting going but milking the system isn't good either - just my 2 cents - off to FS in the AM early - really early!!!!
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Old 10-11-2019, 12:41 PM
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Has anyone taken this free Constitution Course that's being offed? Im interested but that's a long day, it starts at 6pm just after the final lecture. Is it worth checking out?

Thanks!
They did it the 4th of July before fireworks, it was good, I think you will like it.
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I haven't seen this one posted here yet, or in any of the official publications.

Front Sight Advanced Handgun Test (37rds, 185 points possible)

School Drills: Controlled pair to torso
-Close Contact (1.1 seconds)
-Palm/Step (1.4)
-3yds (1.4)
-7yds (1.6)
-10yds (2.0)
-15yds (2.3)
-25yds (2.9)
-50yds (6.2)

-Presentations, single shot to torso, 7yds, repeat 3x. (1.3 seconds)

Responses, 7yds, controlled pair + untimed failure to stop.
-Support Side (1.6 seconds)
-Firing Side (1.7)
-Rear (1.8)

Multiples, 5yds.
-2 targets (1.7 seconds)
-3 targets (2.0)
-4 targets (2.3)

-Designated head shot, 5yds, repeat 3x. (1.4 seconds)

Malfunctions, repeat 2x.
-Type 1 (1.0 second)
-Type 2 (1.2)
-Type 3 (4.0)
-Tactical Reload (3.5)
-Emergency Reload (1.8)
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Old 10-21-2019, 12:53 PM
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Man, that was tiring stint. Took all three martial arts classes in August and the HCMP in early September. Just got back from a 4 day Marksman, a Marksman skill builder and then redid 4 day Handgun from support side only. Blarg....
Anyone going to be there in January for the Integrated Weapons/4 Weapon Tac/Tac Scenarios line up?

The Constitution Course is worthwhile just to hear Rick Green talk. Great public speaker. His video series they sell in the Pro Shop was disappointing though, don't waste your money.

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I haven't seen this one posted here yet, or in any of the official publications.

Front Sight Advanced Handgun Test (37rds, 185 points possible)

School Drills: Controlled pair to torso
-Close Contact (1.1 seconds)
-Palm/Step (1.4)
-3yds (1.4)
-7yds (1.6)
-10yds (2.0)
-15yds (2.3)
-25yds (2.9)
-50yds (6.2)

-Presentations, single shot to torso, 7yds, repeat 3x. (1.3 seconds)

Responses, 7yds, controlled pair + untimed failure to stop.
-Support Side (1.6 seconds)
-Firing Side (1.7)
-Rear (1.8)

Multiples, 5yds.
-2 targets (1.7 seconds)
-3 targets (2.0)
-4 targets (2.3)

-Designated head shot, 5yds, repeat 3x. (1.4 seconds)

Malfunctions, repeat 2x.
-Type 1 (1.0 second)
-Type 2 (1.2)
-Type 3 (4.0)
-Tactical Reload (3.5)
-Emergency Reload (1.8)
This is given during day two (I believe) of HCMP. I've attached my copy of the test. A couple times are different from yours.
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