Sh…t show @ Turners Clairemont Mesa Blvd S.D.–C&R holders stay away from this place

[vonlemberg]

In short story, after 3.5 hours Turners manager told me that he will process my C&R TTP transfer…
I have driven from Santa Cruz to San Diego to pick up a gun and ended up with nothing….

In long story.
at 10AM second in line we walked in at Gun Range at Balboa.
Credits to them that they told me right away that “they are not equipped to do C&R PPTs”
strange because I called them a day before and they confirmed over the phone that they can do that no problem…
Anyway, credits to them they were honest up front.

So we draw one block away to Turners at Clairemont Mesa Blvd San Diego –
We walked in at 10:15 AM no line with our
We presented our 100+ year old fire arm Ruth-Steyr M07 pistol.
and I presented by papers and C&R asking if they can do it.
Answer was yes.

So they started. One hour later they realized that the my Place of Birth they listed incorrectly, so they had to start over again.
Second hour, they seems like got their S..t together. “All good” I walked to the point of sale and paid 47$ for PPT,
Im returning back to the counter and there is no gun. They took it back in the house for 10 days lay way.

There is where it started:
we kept our cool and being very polite and reasonable all the time.
I understand that they do yeoman's work and no need for the attitude.

this is were the 3rd hour started.
they started looking at every document in the package with extra precision.
they asked for my citizenship proof, some other documents, I all provided all but they were looking got a hinge …
and my COE just didn’t look right for them…
Managers request was: “he needs to see on line from me logging in person on line to my COE account and proof of my document on line on his screen…”
For some reason my COE PDF was not showing up on line.
they were keep repeating that they can process this a 10 day waiting period.
But me traveling another 1000 miles again after 10 days is not an option.

the main reason for them to release the gun was:
attached copy of my CEO is not clear and it has lines on it.
and they need to see from CEO web page on their screen.
Looking back I think they just didn’t know how to release the pistol.

so after 3.5 hrs there was noting.
waisted trip….
Good god I was very-very disappointed….

As a C&R holder stay away from:
Turners Clairemont Mesa Blvd San Diego
Gun Range at Balboa.

[SkyHawk]

Who does a PPT at Turners, any PPT much less a cash and carry C&R PPT after a 500 mile drive? Seriously why would you even try that?

Also, my suggestion is you should carry a PDF copy of COE on your phone, downloaded directly from CFARS so it will be clean and can be printed via airprint.

And you should resolve whatever problem you have at CFARS that kept you from getting your COE proof, my guess is you have multiple CFARS accounts? I just accessed my COE at CFARS from my iPad in 10 seconds.

[19K]

There is no 10 day wait exemption box for a ppt on the DROS system as far as I know. It has to be entered as a dealer transfer in order for the little 10 day exemption box to appear. They weren’t aware or willing to enter it in their books and then transfer it to you.

They do infact waive the 10 day wait for dealer sales of C&R pistols and rifles.

[ENTHUSIAST]

Originally Posted by SkyHawk

Who does a PPT at Turners, any PPT much less a cash and carry C&R PPT after a 500 mile drive? Seriously why would you even try that?

Seriously go with a shop that has a good reputation (i.e. NOT Turner’s) call and ask for someone that is in charge (get their name) ask them what they will need for your PPT and make sure that person is working the day you plan to make the drive.

Before I left did the SD to LA/OC/Riverside to do PPT’s and I leave nothing to chance if I am going out of town to do a transfer.

[kramynot]

Originally Posted by 19K

There is no 10 day wait exemption box for a ppt on the DROS system as far as I know. It has to be entered as a dealer transfer in order for the little 10 day exemption box to appear. They weren’t aware or willing to enter it in their books and then transfer it to you.

This is my understanding as well. I tried to PPT a C&R handgun at a shop in L.A. They even let us look at the computer as they were trying to process the transfer and there was no option in the system for a 10-day C&R wait exemption for a PPT. This was over a year ago. Hard to believe it hasn't been fixed.

[kingransom]

Used to sort of like turners way back in the day, probably spent $5-10k easily over the years. That being said, haven't spent a penny there in well over 5 years and a free firearm couldn't get me to step into that craphole.

[Rakso]

Wow

[Supersapper]

What on earth? I did 2 x PPTs for Luger P08s and one for a Walther P1 with zero issues at The Gun Range on Balboa. They're just like every other PPT.

Now if you're talking about a C&R Bound book PPT, then yes, they don't do bound book transfers.

[vonlemberg]

I had this COE since July 2020,
did many transactions no one had any issues with attached copies.
I even did it with Turners at El Cajon back in April.

but this location needs definitely an additional training and/or procedures.

or just simply announce at the door "that they are not equipped to process C&R"

otherwise degenerates that working at Turners Clairemont Mesa Blvd are

wasting people time and money...

that moron at the store wouldn't want to do a reimbursement or store credit
had to call my credit card to dispute the charge...

[ENTHUSIAST]

Originally Posted by vonlemberg

otherwise degenerates that working at Turners Clairemont Mesa Blvd are

wasting people time...

Well you are not wrong there OP, if you like the DMV experience you are in for a real treat with Turners on Clairemont Mesa Blvd!

[vonlemberg]

Originally Posted by Supersapper

What on earth? I did 2 x PPTs for Luger P08s and one for a Walther P1 with zero issues at The Gun Range on Balboa. They're just like every other PPT.

Now if you're talking about a C&R Bound book PPT, then yes, they don't do bound book transfers.

What is the "Now if you're talking about a C&R Bound book PPT, then yes, they don't do bound book transfers."?

we were trying to do PPT and same day release (no 10 days waiting period) We were transferring 100+ year old pre ww1 pistol.
I have current C&R and COE.

people at The Gun Range San Diego at Balboa told us that they are not not doing C&R transfers (a day before over the phone they assured me that they do...)

[vonlemberg]

Here are my recipes that called The Gun Range on Balboa asking about C&R and PPT trying to make an appointment. They told me no appointments, i can can walk in but be early. I walked in at 10AM (second in line)
we were directed to the room on the left and dark hair FFL associate look at the pistol with complements and my C&R told us right way "they are not equipped to do C&R there”
our forum fellow LD1988 is my whiteness
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/member.php?u=121139

[SkyHawk]

Originally Posted by 19K

There is no 10 day wait exemption box for a ppt on the DROS system as far as I know.

Yes there is, there is no need to process it as a dealer transfer anymore - that has been fixed in DES


Also, another way to 'prove' you have a valid COE is to buy a box of ammo with the COE background check. But be sure the name on your DL matches the name on your COE (spelling etc)

[sfe187]

OP - in the future when you have an issue with the store, if store manager can't fix, ask store manager to call his regional mgr or corporate for assistance. I forgot who the regional for SD is now these days, I think Beto? or ask for "Bill" at compliance dept in Corporate. Both of them should be able to assist that store on how to process C&R transitions. Personally I have hard copies of 03 & COE on hand and if they want to verify the legitimacy of COE, Skyhawk gave a great example.

[SkyHawk]

Here is my most recent C&R PPT of a handgun, with a cash and carry release. September 2020.

Notice it was a PPT (not dealer transfer) and has a waiting period exemption. It has to be started in DES as a C&R Transaction Type.

[vonlemberg]

Originally Posted by SkyHawk

Here is my most recent C&R PPT of a handgun, with a cash and carry release. September 2020.

Notice it was a PPT (not dealer transfer) and has a waiting period exemption. It has to be started in DES as a C&R Transaction Type.

Was it done at Turners Clairemont Mesa Blvd San Diego or at
Gun Range at Balboa?

[SkyHawk]

Originally Posted by vonlemberg

Was it done at Turners Clairemont Mesa Blvd San Diego or at
Gun Range at Balboa?

No, sorry. It was done at an extremely competent FFL, which are the only type that I patronize

In this case it was Norcal Gunvault in Rocklin

[Supersapper]

Originally Posted by vonlemberg

What is the "Now if you're talking about a C&R Bound book PPT, then yes, they don't do bound book transfers."?

we were trying to do PPT and same day release (no 10 days waiting period) We were transferring 100+ year old pre ww1 pistol.
I have current C&R and COE.

people at The Gun Range San Diego at Balboa told us that they are not not doing C&R transfers (a day before over the phone they assured me that they do...)

That's what i was talking about. I PPTd a 103 year old Luger with them the traditional way and there was zero issue.

TGR does not do PPTs where you get the gun the same day, at least the last time I asked them about it. So when I was talking about bound book transfers, I was using inaccurate terminology to describe a C&R transfer.

That said, you have to get names over there. I know most of the sales guys at TGR and I know some of them are more familiar than others with C&Rs with COEs.

[mausercat]

I try to avoid Turners at all cost. If I have to pay more I will do it. The people who work there range from competent to why the hell did they hire this guy. I have not been there in a while. It is a total crap shoot as to who will help you and it takes 1 hour to do a simple DROS that in competent gun shops take only 15 minutes at the most. Many years I went to pick up a gun after the 10 day wait and they could not find the DROS paperwork and had to fill out a new DROS and give them my CDL and FSC so they could recreate my package. It took over an hour.

[Wheellock]

I was under the impression you don't need to go to an FFL to transfer a C&R if you have an 03. Am I wrong?

[sfe187]

Originally Posted by Wheellock

I was under the impression you don't need to go to an FFL to transfer a C&R if you have an 03. Am I wrong?

Yes you are.

in State C&R handgun transfer needs 01FFL.
in State C&R long gun transfer can CFARS (within 30 days) or 01FFL.
out of State C&R acquisitions can CFARS (within 5 days)

[DanGunner]

It once took me an hour at the counter to pick up gun at Turners in Fresno. The young girl manning the counter had to continually go in back to consult manager as to what to do. Never again.

[Wheellock]

Originally Posted by sfe187

Yes you are.

in State C&R handgun transfer needs 01FFL.
in State C&R long gun transfer can CFARS (within 30 days) or 01FFL.
out of State C&R acquisitions can CFARS (within 5 days)

Thanks, I've only done out of state before. Crazy stuff.

[19K]

Originally Posted by kramynot

This is my understanding as well. I tried to PPT a C&R handgun at a shop in L.A. They even let us look at the computer as they were trying to process the transfer and there was no option in the system for a 10-day C&R wait exemption for a PPT. This was over a year ago. Hard to believe it hasn't been fixed.

It was like that in 2012 when I worked at a gunshop and still the same when I transferred two C&R pistols to someone 3 months ago.

[Milsurp1]

Back when I was a California resident with C&R and COE I bought a C&R pistol from a private seller. The LGS processed it in DROS as a same day C&R PPT. That was 2017. Not a dealer transfer.

[pratchett]

"Turner's: when you like mosh pits, but hate music."

[dfletcher]

I divide my gun store business into two categories, especially when it involves the finer points of guns, selling, exemptions, etc.

The LGS such as River City Gun Exchange, Bay Area Gun Vault, Krausewerks and such where they're used to handling the odd stuff. And BassPro, Sportsmans Warehouse, Cabelas where it's "take a number, get in line" and anything outside whatever their corporate instructions allow send them a tither.

The challenge with C&R stuff is that the buyer and gun exemption must both be shown correctly or the process gets stalled. Of course the real problem is when you see someone getting stuck in the process, trying to figure out a way to help without triggering the "don't tell me what to do" reflex and bringing everything to a halt.