Tea Leaf Reading on St. Benitez Timing????

[chris]

Originally Posted by WithinReason

There is one parallel I see between the Black Panther incident in Sacramento and current life.

People tend to give up their civil liberties when they feel threatened. Fear causes people to allow politicians to approve unconstitutional laws, emergency declarations from mayors/school superintendents/governors/presidents, etc.

People will vote against their own self-interests when they are afraid, regardless of their political party.

It is difficult to explain to a person who is afraid that there is a greater threat down the road if he/she gives up a civil liberty.

People from all political persuasions are unhappy with the current state of affairs, but they do not know what to do. They fear for their elderly parents, their children, and their grandchildren. They fear for themselves and their neighbors.

Thinking government will solve the problem is where those very people are wrong. I'm willing to say most who think that way are Democrats.


When people are afraid, the solution to helping them become rational in their thinking is to help them feel safe. Regrettably, politicians on both sides of the aisle stoke fear and demonize opponents.

We need to continue to educate our family members and neighbors on the safety provided by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, including the 2nd amendment. We need to vote for politicians who uphold the Constitution and support our citizenry achieving the American dream.

My added comment in bold.

Guess what these people en mass will continue to vote the liberties away. The crime wave we are seeing is not an accident. What will fix it will be nothing short of absolute tyranny brought to you by those who allowed criminals to act without consequences. All the while good people suffer.

People are sheep now. They don't appreciate the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. They despise the country they live in. They have been taught that. Too bad they weren't taught to pack their bags and leave this country permanently. Let those who want to be Americans be here. I've encountered more naturalized citizens who are more proud to be Americans than those who were born here and they viewed this country as the beacon of freedom.

Send those who want to be oppressed to China, Cuba, Venezuela and so on.

[rplaw]

Originally Posted by chris

Guess what these people en mass will continue to vote the liberties away. The crime wave we are seeing is not an accident. What will fix it will be nothing short of absolute tyranny brought to you by those who allowed criminals to act without consequences. All the while good people suffer.

People are sheep now. They don't appreciate the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. They despise the country they live in. They have been taught that. Too bad they weren't taught to pack their bags and leave this country permanently. Let those who want to be Americans be here. I've encountered more naturalized citizens who are more proud to be Americans than those who were born here and they viewed this country as the beacon of freedom.

Send those who want to be oppressed to China, Cuba, Venezuela and so on.

The main reason for this is because we've allowed ourselves to be separated from the ugly bits of life so we don't see the possibilities or consequences of what appears to be a good decision on the surface.

An analogy would be death. We, as a society, have insulted ourselves against death. Death in our society is "clean." It happens in well scrubbed hospitals with white walls and employees who murmur caring words in our ears as we await the inevitable for our loved ones.

So when death happens outside of those sterile halls, it's striking. And often very very ugly.

To help us deal with that, we pass laws to make death less ugly while thinking that we've solved the entire death issue. We haven't, we've just pushed it around to somewhere where we don't see it again. Safe spaces where death can do its worst while polite society walks by unknowing of the reality.

Gun control laws are the same thing. Society believes that if they can push that ugliness out of sight then the problem is solved. It's not and those who benefit get rich and powerful. Which only makes them lust for more.

The solution, as I see it, isn't to teach one aspect of society, it's to remove the blindfold and tear down the obscuring screens between us and life itself. When that happens people will realize that their votes matter and that they cannot kick the can down the road or hide from reality.

[bigdaddyz1776]

Originally Posted by rplaw

The main reason for this is because we've allowed ourselves to be separated from the ugly bits of life so we don't see the possibilities or consequences of what appears to be a good decision on the surface.

An analogy would be death. We, as a society, have insulted ourselves against death. Death in our society is "clean." It happens in well scrubbed hospitals with white walls and employees who murmur caring words in our ears as we await the inevitable for our loved ones.

So when death happens outside of those sterile halls, it's striking. And often very very ugly.

To help us deal with that, we pass laws to make death less ugly while thinking that we've solved the entire death issue. We haven't, we've just pushed it around to somewhere where we don't see it again. Safe spaces where death can do its worst while polite society walks by unknowing of the reality.

Gun control laws are the same thing. Society believes that if they can push that ugliness out of sight then the problem is solved. It's not and those who benefit get rich and powerful. Which only makes them lust for more.

The solution, as I see it, isn't to teach one aspect of society, it's to remove the blindfold and tear down the obscuring screens between us and life itself. When that happens people will realize that their votes matter and that they cannot kick the can down the road or hide from reality.

Warfare went from "boots on the ground" during the Bush era to Drones Strikes Everywhere under the Obama era.

And Obama most likely killed more than Bush with that methodology.

[Ksmash01]

Originally Posted by rplaw

I never said they broke the law. I said they scared people who have the power to make new laws. And that's exactly what those scared people did.

The LOC events also scared people. With the same result.

The Mulford Act was introduced in the state legislature prior to their protest. They were already scared of Black people arming themselves against attacks from the police/FBI, the same way Southern White Democrats were afraid of slavery uprisings in the South. The only difference is this was done by White California Republicans.

Now those same (not really the same) White California Republicans are in the minority, a minority that includes other minorities who own firearms(like myself). There was an opportunity to support OUR 2A rights that was missed because people didn't agree with the ideology of the Black Panthers. I don't agree with the Proud Boy's or Antifa, but I wouldn't support them being disarmed by unconstitutional means.

I have faith these wrongs will be corrected. I have patience in my faith.

[AlmostHeaven]

Originally Posted by Ksmash01

Now those same (not really the same) White California Republicans are in the minority, a minority that includes other minorities who own firearms(like myself). There was an opportunity to support OUR 2A rights that was missed because people didn't agree with the ideology of the Black Panthers. I don't agree with the Proud Boy's or Antifa, but I wouldn't support them being disarmed by unconstitutional means.

I have faith these wrongs will be corrected. I have patience in my faith.

I agree. If my political opponents get disarmed, my allies come next. Therefore, I cannot support any gun control. Everyone has the right to keep and bear arms.

[Foothills]

It seems that Judge Benitez has been busy attending to another important case. In this case, parental rights and religious freedom. I think this earns him a little more patience from me.

https://redstate.com/wardclark/2023/...ation-n2163837

[tenemae]

Originally Posted by Foothills

It seems that Judge Benitez has been busy attending to another important case. In this case, parental rights and religious freedom. I think this earns him a little more patience from me.

Miller v. Bonta is 4 years old.
Rhode v. Becerra is 5 years old.
Duncan v. Becerra is 6 years old.

This is not justice. This is a farce.

[rplaw]

Originally Posted by tenemae

Miller v. Bonta is 4 years old.
Rhode v. Becerra is 5 years old.
Duncan v. Becerra is 6 years old.

This is not justice. This is a farce.

Agreed.

The work has been done for years, there's nothing new to discuss or opine. Thus the delay serves some hidden purpose and hidden purposes are not justice.

[SpudmanWP]

Everything post-Bruen is new.

The state submitted 1030 laws that all need to be researched for context, How, why, etc.

All of that needs to be done while he still runs his assigned schedule.

[7.62mm_fmj]

Originally Posted by SpudmanWP

Everything post-Bruen is new.

The state submitted 1030 laws that all need to be researched for context, How, why, etc.

All of that needs to be done while he still runs his assigned schedule.

I'm sure JAs would be doing the brunt of this task.

[bigdaddyz1776]

Originally Posted by Ksmash01

The Mulford Act was introduced in the state legislature prior to their protest. They were already scared of Black people arming themselves against attacks from the police/FBI, the same way Southern White Democrats were afraid of slavery uprisings in the South. The only difference is this was done by White California Republicans.

Now those same (not really the same) White California Republicans are in the minority, a minority that includes other minorities who own firearms(like myself). There was an opportunity to support OUR 2A rights that was missed because people didn't agree with the ideology of the Black Panthers. I don't agree with the Proud Boy's or Antifa, but I wouldn't support them being disarmed by unconstitutional means.

I have faith these wrongs will be corrected. I have patience in my faith.

While Reagan did his part.

I found out recently that the Californian AWB was signed under a Fuddite Republican governor named George and his successor Pete Wilson tried to ban 20 round magazines.

I guess, I can see why a lot of those liberal gun owners blame the Republican Party for gun control, even through its pretty clear which party today does all that legwork.

But to learn that the Republicans fully laid the groundwork for all this in this state.

[Ksmash01]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyz1776

While Reagan did his part.

I found out recently that the Californian AWB was signed under a Fuddite Republican governor named George and his successor Pete Wilson tried to ban 20 round magazines.

I guess, I can see why a lot of those liberal gun owners blame the Republican Party for gun control, even through its pretty clear which party today does all that legwork.

But to learn that the Republicans fully laid the groundwork for all this in this state.

To be clear, I don't blame Republicans for gun control, however I'm not blind to the ways they contributed to it. Yes, currently that charge is being led by Democrats, however the issue is framed as if Democrats are solely responsible, and that isn't true or correct.

[JiuJitsu]

Is this going to be the Friday that we get at least one Benitez decision released?

🤔

[Ksmash01]

Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

I agree. If my political opponents get disarmed, my allies come next. Therefore, I cannot support any gun control. Everyone has the right to keep and bear arms.

Welp, we all got disarmed, because we allowed it to happen. And when it happened to UOC'ers, there weren't enough of us to stop it from happening.

Originally Posted by SpudmanWP

Everything post-Bruen is new.

The state submitted 1030 laws that all need to be researched for context, How, why, etc.

All of that needs to be done while he still runs his assigned schedule.

Originally Posted by 7.62mm_fmj

I'm sure JAs would be doing the brunt of this task.

The JAs also have to work based on their assigned schedule. They're multitasking like Judge Benitez.

[ritter]

Originally Posted by JiuJitsu

Is this going to be the Friday that we get at least one Benitez decision released?

🤔

I'm going to go on record with a big fat "no." Please let me eat crow.

[JiuJitsu]

Originally Posted by ritter

I'm going to go on record with a big fat "no." Please let me eat crow.

Hey, grilled crow might go well with a couple of beers later. I?m down.

[riderr]

Originally Posted by JiuJitsu

Is this going to be the Friday that we get at least one Benitez decision released?

🤔

Only Benitez knows...

[AlmostHeaven]

Based on the recent developments in Rhode v. Bonta, I expect no rulings until October at the earliest. However, I hope and pray for final judgements by the end of 2023.

May we all have a very happy holiday season.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by JiuJitsu

Is this going to be the Friday that we get at least one Benitez decision released?

��

I am sure it will be either today or another day.

[bigdaddyz1776]

Originally Posted by Ksmash01

Name one crime the Black Panthers committed when they protested at the state capitol? Even insinuating they occupied the capitol suggests force, and there was none. They were asked to leave and they did, and there was never a threat of violence.

I'm sorry but you're woefully incorrect and seem to be supporting the actions of racists in office who ended up screwing with all of our rights.

The Black Panther's didn't begin anything, they responded to conditions as they existed and used the political and legal avenues available to do so. This racist gun law is no different than any other.

The irony is the UOC ban that was more recently passed due to white men(mostly) carrying guns in relatively safe places and scaring all the liberal Starbucks soccer moms. Nobody broke any laws, so they created new laws. They certainly weren't faced with the same danger that the Black Panthers had to deal with in their communities. Overall, what's the difference between Black Panthers protest and that of UOC'ers? Nothing.

Liberal wine moms and liberal starbucks moms and AWFLs have been a disaster not only for America but for the entire world.

Why else is Biden getting involved in the personal business of nations like Uganda for not being lockstep with San Francisco values.

[Sgt Raven]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyz1776

While Reagan did his part.

I found out recently that the Californian AWB was signed under a Fuddite Republican governor named George and his successor Pete Wilson tried to ban 20 round magazines.

I guess, I can see why a lot of those liberal gun owners blame the Republican Party for gun control, even through its pretty clear which party today does all that legwork.

But to learn that the Republicans fully laid the groundwork for all this in this state.

The Roberti?Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 (AWCA) was signed by Gov. George Deukmejian(R).


It was a result of the Stockton schoolyard shooting of 34 teachers and children where 5 children were killed by Patrick Duffy using a Chi-Com AK-47. The anti-gunners had been trying to pass a AWB for 5 years.


Until this Gov Deukmejian had been pretty strong for our side. It was another case of "never let a crisis go to waste".

[Ksmash01]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyz1776

Liberal wine moms and liberal starbucks moms and AWFLs have been a disaster not only for America but for the entire world.

Why else is Biden getting involved in the personal business of nations like Uganda for not being lockstep with San Francisco values.

AWFL???
Not familiar with that acronym but it's cool...lol

[AlmostHeaven]

Originally Posted by Ksmash01

AWFL???
Not familiar with that acronym but it's cool...lol

https://medium.com/@sgreer/dont-call...s-4ca2256f16f7

[BaronW]

Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

https://medium.com/@sgreer/dont-call...s-4ca2256f16f7

I had to scroll annoyingly far for them to get to the point. "Affluent White Liberal Female"

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by BaronW

I had to scroll annoyingly far for them to get to the point. "Affluent White Liberal Female"

That would be AWLF not AWFL.

[Rickybillegas]

"Don't call them 'Karens', call them AWLF's". That's pretty funny.

[Ksmash01]

Originally Posted by BaronW

I had to scroll annoyingly far for them to get to the point. "Affluent White Liberal Female"

Yeah, I'll stick to calling them Karen. Karen encapsulates the ranks of annoying entitled women regardless of class, race, political beliefs, etc. I'll concede that AWFLs are a subspecies of Karen. They are particularly dangerous in that they often can be and don't know they are, in fact, Karens.

[SpudmanWP]

Or.. an AWFL Karen?

[AlmostHeaven]

The acronym is AWFL, not AWLF.

Affluent
White
Female
Liberal

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

The acronym is AWFL, not AWLF.

Affluent
White
Female
Liberal

Nope, not what Baron told us.

Originally Posted by BaronW

I had to scroll annoyingly far for them to get to the point. "Affluent White Liberal Female"

[AlmostHeaven]

Originally Posted by Dvrjon

Nope, not what Baron told us.

I literally posted the original source, which says Affluent White Female Liberal.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...postcount=1263

[glbtrottr]

I?m serious as a heart attack when I say that suffrage was the beginning of America?s demise. While many of us nursed from the loving bosom of our mothers, today 3 out of 1000 people marry. Women have largely become indulgent Bigger, Better, Now, i deserve the Best, virtue signalers who sadly talk a great game but since they have no need to reproduce, they simply indulge.

Equality? Sure - when I see 50 percent of plumbers, electricians, sanitation workers as women, I?ll stop thinking of the gender in large urban areas as hypocrites.

[AlmostHeaven]

Although extreme, I understand your point. After all, prohibition did happen literally within a few years of women's suffrage.

[rplaw]

Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

Although extreme, I understand your point. After all, prohibition did happen literally within a few years of women's suffrage.

All of the greatest failures of society began with someone deciding that a specific social ill needed eradicated then usually acting in an illegal manner (civil disobedience). Carrie Nation began hacking up bars with an axe because she'd married a drunkard (whose fault was that?). Other people took up the cause celeb and eventually we ended up with prohibition.

Today, Greta is the "new" leader of the cause and climate change the evil monster which must be defeated. Same beginnings, same cause celeb, same social misbehavior tactics, same eventual outcome.

The trans thing is just more people jumping on the same train.

Eventually the people will get tired of being told that they're sinners who cannot be redeemed while forced to wear sackcloth and the cause will lose traction.

[Rickybillegas]

Originally Posted by Ksmash01

Yeah, I'll stick to calling them Karen. Karen encapsulates the ranks of annoying entitled women regardless of class, race, political beliefs, etc. I'll concede that AWFLs are a subspecies of Karen. They are particularly dangerous in that they often can be and don't know they are, in fact, Karens.

Many of these anti-gun 'mom groups' out there consist of Karens en masse.
They are the macro version of the Karen at Walmart that freaks out and makes a scene and calls the police about someone with a gun that's legal or even in a CC state.

Now I try to be charitable and understand their grief, as many have lost sons and daughters. Their activism I'm sure is cathartic. But like the Karen in Walmart that freaks out, their anger and frustration is misguided and aimed in the wrong direction and their tunnel vision is in a sense a selfish imposition of our (every American) right to self defense for whom we have no other recourse, certainly not law enforcement.

[AlmostHeaven]

Originally Posted by rplaw

All of the greatest failures of society began with someone deciding that a specific social ill needed eradicated then usually acting in an illegal manner (civil disobedience). Carrie Nation began hacking up bars with an axe because she'd married a drunkard (whose fault was that?). Other people took up the cause celeb and eventually we ended up with prohibition.

Today, Greta is the "new" leader of the cause and climate change the evil monster which must be defeated. Same beginnings, same cause celeb, same social misbehavior tactics, same eventual outcome.

The trans thing is just more people jumping on the same train.

Eventually the people will get tired of being told that they're sinners who cannot be redeemed while forced to wear sackcloth and the cause will lose traction.

I have no hope that the madness will abate the way prohibition ended. Every year, the incoming generations become more supportive of government tyranny, socialism, forced equity, LGBTQ+, and other tenants of woke ideology. The greatest victory of leftism in this country has been successfully amassing full control of media platforms and education institutions over the past 40 years.

[darkwater34]

As long as the talking heads keep spewing the spew of gun safety propaganda, never-ending..

[rplaw]

Originally Posted by AlmostHeaven

I have no hope that the madness will abate the way prohibition ended. Every year, the incoming generations become more supportive of government tyranny, socialism, forced equity, LGBTQ+, and other tenants of woke ideology. The greatest victory of leftism in this country has been successfully amassing full control of media platforms and education institutions over the past 40 years.

This is too far OT but if you look in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistics Manual), which is the go-to for mental illness, under Schizophrenia you will find delusional disorders. Read the definition (which you can also find via a goofball search) and then consider how LBGT, trans, and "woke" fit in there.

At that point you will begin to realize how far gone our society actually is. And then you start to wonder how this could have been done en mass. Unlike most I believe that it's not just indoctrination of the young, it's more than that. I believe that weed also plays a huge part in what's happening because studies have shown that weed increases paranoia and schizophrenia. <-- yes that's the same diagnostic description where you'd look to find delusional disorders. Weird how things work like that.

What we need is a public awareness campaign which shows the actual facts. The problem is that the entire system is rigged to support the problem instead of the solution. "Everyone does it" and then those people use their bully pulpits to support legalization and spreading the cheer. Which leads to more rampant paranoia/schizophrenia which leads to more "woke" and delusion in ever increasing population cross section.

Until you end up where we are today - most of the population clinically insane and running the world.

[BAJ475]

Originally Posted by rplaw

...Until you end up where we are today - most of the population clinically insane and running the world.

Amen!

[AlmostHeaven]

Originally Posted by rplaw

This is too far OT but if you look in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistics Manual), which is the go-to for mental illness, under Schizophrenia you will find delusional disorders. Read the definition (which you can also find via a goofball search) and then consider how LBGT, trans, and "woke" fit in there.

At that point you will begin to realize how far gone our society actually is. And then you start to wonder how this could have been done en mass. Unlike most I believe that it's not just indoctrination of the young, it's more than that. I believe that weed also plays a huge part in what's happening because studies have shown that weed increases paranoia and schizophrenia. <-- yes that's the same diagnostic description where you'd look to find delusional disorders. Weird how things work like that.

I see your point and agree that marijuana usage contributes, but I believe without education institution indoctrination, mass media propaganda, and online community hysteria, weed alone would not have created our present circumstances.