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Thanks for the more precise details of the settlement. It's definitely worth paying attention to this part:
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For anyone that this new registration period might apply to, I'll try to update the OP accordingly once all the facts are in. We've got a few months to sort it all out before anything happens.
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I'm not sure it's really a win for us, either, but it's for sure a loss for DOJ, which makes me happy regardless
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It will be interesting to see if any charges come out of this.
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Sadly I can almost guarantee that someone in this huge state of ours is going to try to register something they just bought.
I'm going to do my part, by trying to spread the word here as much as I can, that nobody should try any funny business with this new registration period.
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The thing that's weird is, home-builds (FMBUS) that were being registered as AW had a specific process for getting a serial number, which was different than the process used today for home-builds. But would a serial number obtained using the non-AW SN process still work for a AW registration in this next period? That might be something FPC's lawyers need to answer, because it's really not clear. Since it was eligible to be registered before the 2018 registration ended, it *seems* like you might be ok. But where things get really murky, legally speaking, is that it was modified to no longer be an AW when the registration period ended, so now you're faced with 3 possibilities: 1. You claim that it has been an AW ever since registration ended, which is.... an unpleasant thought, because even though it retroactively isn't illegal anyymore, it was illegal at the time. Even if they say they won't prosecute anyone for that, it's not fun to tell DOJ you were a felon for a few years. 2. You try to register it during this upcoming period, in its current non-AW configuration, which theoretically they're *supposed* to deny because, according to their own regulations, they will not register anything that isn't currently in an AW configuration. 3. You convert it back into AW configuration and then register it, but then you're making an AW long after the 2016 prohibition started, which might not be good. I have no idea which of those options is best. They all sound terrible. It's possible that the best option will be: 4. Do nothing. Keep your non-RAW pistol as a non-RAW pistol.
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The only people that should register now are those facing charges. Don't give them the chance to up their compliance numbers.
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What do you think CandG?
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Good point!
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The fact that this question has been asked at least once now, makes me very concerned... I've updated my signature to try to hopefully keep people out of jail.
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I applied for six the first time. Four are in.
EDIT: Two of the four are FMBUS with DOJ assigned SNs. Other two I never heard back. Do I re-start the original submission? . Last edited by Maltese Falcon; 03-20-2021 at 9:20 AM.. |
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Edit: Actually I just checked, and it doesn't look like I included instructions for requesting a duplicate registration letter in the Guide. All I know is that they charge a fee of $5 for it, per the regulations. But I'm unsure of the process. Might be worth a phone call to ask.
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This is only for people who actually started the registration process and were unable to complete the process before the deadline. That means currently incomplete registrations only. No new registrations period. Any attempt to try new registrations could result in charges.
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If the minor didn't turn 18 before 7/1/2018, then they were not eligible to register during the 2017-2018 registration window, thus they will not be eligible to register during this upcoming window.
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The attorney's got a large fee award. But was the mere re-opening of the registration a huge victory? I mean, unless you weren't paying attention you would have made the decision back then one way or the other. So unless you weren't paying attention or if you had a change of heart, I'm not excited.
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Voluntary De-Registration Before you consider formal de-registration, consider that you can instead choose to modify or reconfigure the firearm to no longer meet the definition of an Assault Weapon, and then replace the serialized RAW receiver with a different (not RAW) receiver, effectively making the weapon no longer a RAW. Then you may retain the RAW receiver in case you ever decide to build it into a functional RAW again in the future. If you still decide to formally de-register a RAW, the procedure is outlined below. Note that there is no such thing as mandatory de-registration. Under no circumstances are you required to contact DOJ about your RAW once it's registered. Even if you sell it, move, etc. However, in certain scenarios (like if you sold it), you may want to de-register it to disassociate your name from that weapon.
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I know I am posting this to an old thread, but there are a lot of loose ends here that are not tied up that I believe need further discussion. I am interested particularly in how this will impact the voluntary registration of self-built and self-serial numbered guns. A key component of the failed registration scheme was to allow people to declare guns that were self-build and self-serial numbered. These guns were not AWs but rather were pistols and featureless rifles. The stated goal of the DOJ was to get all self-built weapons registered and they offered voluntary registration as a means of legalizing home built guns.
What about about people that attempted voluntary registration on non-AW home builts only to have the CFARS system fail on them? Shouldn't this re-opening include a re-opening of the voluntary registration side of things since the system failed to deliver on this aspect of implementing the law? Why is there no mention of this vital aspect of the failed registration scheme in the settlement and in our discussions? Did our lawyers not understand the full scope of the system failure here and settle for half a lunch? |
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Link here: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...rms/volreg.pdf
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Thank you for your response, UG.
My recollection is that you had until the deadline to VolReg any self-built with your own serial number. If you missed this, you had to apply for one of the DOJ serial numbers and the gun would be treated as current self-builts which are basically like assault weapons with no chance to sell it at any point or transfer it upon your death. My understanding is that we had to use the CFARS system to do this particular VolReg. I do not recall a paper option being allowed for this aspect of the scheme. Are you saying that a self-built non-assault weapon featureless rifle can be simply declared at this point? I think that horse has left the barn according to the DOJ. I read a lot of the posts here on CalGuns and read the DOJ stuff. A lot of people were of the opinion that the VolReg had to be done on CFARS. Maybe I should chalk up my ignorance to the arcane and highly confusing way in which all of these regs were promulgated and foisted upon us. |
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80% rifles can stil be built in CA compliant featureless configuration. You have to applly for serial # ahead of time and then send photos of the completed receiver or rifle. The only sane reason to do this if you are build a clone of something and want custom receiver markings, otherwise it is a PITA waste of time. I did it to use a H&R marked receiver for an M16A1 clone build.
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Thanks again for the response, UG. Sorry for the slow-motion nature of this dialogue. I have been out of town and busy so I have been slow to respond.
The situation is that I have a friend who had a self-serial numbered featureless AK built on a plate receiver. The SN was put on before the deadline. He tried to log into CFARS to declare it before the deadline and he could not get into the website. We both were under the impression that this was the only way to VolReg the gun under the scheme they put in place. Since he played by the rules, he believes that he should be given another chance to VolReg the gun without having to apply for DOJ serial and all the restrictions that come with that sort of build. After all, it is their fault that the online VolReg system did not work. I guess I was wrong on this (so were many others). If we have to go the DOJ serial number way, he loses the advantage of his rifle being treated like any other featureless rifle and they place assault weapon like restrictions on it. |
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P.S. This seems to be an unfair outcome because the lack of registration came from their incompetent boobery and lack of proper explanation, not from a lack of diligence to obey the law on his part. I believe that he is right. Since it was so poorly implemented and explained they owe everyone the chance to do what they supposedly offered in the online system: 1. VolReg; and 2. BBRAW reg. I know several people who believed that through not being able to log on to CFARS the DOJ effectively shut the door on VolReg. It was a Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown type of thing. Who it is going to hurt to turn the clock back on the entire process and start over? These people are enraging and they get away with it over and over again.
The lawyers and the Judge in this case blew chunks if the VolReg is not re-opened at the same time. They let the DOJ shaft us again. If I were the judge I would go so far as to even reset the purchase dates to the date that the new registration purchase period ends. This would be a fair settlement given what the DOJ did to the public. Who would it hurt? The goal is to get the guns registered. They failed. They should bear the consequences of that failure. |
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A person today, right now, can apply for a serial number from DOJ and self build a featureless rifle from raw materials. It will be treated just like every other featureless rifle from any other maker. The only thing your friend would lose, would be his serial number. |
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In either case, it seems like his understanding is still incorrect based on what I quoted above. Last edited by SkyHawk; 07-31-2021 at 7:37 PM.. |
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Thanks again for the help here, gentlemen.
The CA DOJ guidance on self-made guns makes for some Here is the link: https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/atta...umer-alert.pdf Regarding self-made pistols, they want you to build in microstamp capabilities: I quote directly from the document: "Additionally, California law generally prohibits the manufacture of unsafe handguns. A self- manufactured handgun must meet certain design features under state law. A self-manufactured semiautomatic handgun, even if temporarily alt ered f or single-shot firing, must include safety and security features, including: The firearm must incorporate a manually-operated safety device. The firearm must meet California’s drop safety requirements. The firearm must be able to imprint certain identifying information on two locations on each cartridge case when fired. Some exceptions apply to these rules. For full details and definitions of unsafe handguns and required f eatures under California law, see Penal Code Sections 31900-3210" Regarding self-built rifles (and not AWs!) they say this: "4. Selling self-made firearms is illegal: With limited exceptions, the sale or transfer of ownership of self-manufactured or self-assembled firearms is prohibited under California law." It seems to me from reading the above quote that they are treating self-made guns like assault weapons by banning future transfer and sale of the weapon. This is why my friend was concerned to get his gun registered under the older VolReg offering that was made in conjunction with the BBRAW regs. This stuff is all messed up and confusing, but it seems clear to me that they have tried to make the self-build regs as difficult and unattractive as possible for someone who might consider going that route. |
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One more comment regarding pistol builds:
I saw a guy on YouTube build a P80 Glock using the CA DOJ serial number scheme and they did not challenge him on microstamping. Perhaps if you are building a Glock gen 3 clone they will let it go since the Glock gen 3s are still on the pistol roster. The odd thing is that he didn't seem to identify the gun as a Glock. Maybe they just don't know their own regs. Again, nothing makes sense in how they promulgated the regs or how they apply them. It seems to me that they went way beyond what was authorized under the law. |
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It is NOT registered as an assault weapon, however. Only as a firearm that you own. |
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I would not attempt to build and/or self register a semi auto handgun in CA that was not roster complaint. Too risky, in my opinion. |
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If you went through the DROS procedure when you purchased the lower or rifle then it will be automatically registered by the state. Your paperwork should be done. Regarding the rifle, if it is an AR or AK style, the manufacturer should have made sure that it meets the requirements to be a featureless rifle. Regarding the lower, you need to make sure that you build it in a featureless configuration to make sure that it remains a legal weapon. |
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The settlement says, "pursuant to California Penal Code section 30900(b)(2)," which by itself does not require photos, but the DOJ Regulation 5474(c) which applies to that PC section, does specify a photo requirement.
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