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Old 09-16-2020, 11:51 PM
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If any of you are denied it is always prudent to appeal. If you are denied it is an abrogation of your rights. Don't ever just role over. Go in there and charm them or cuss them out. I was denied 3-4 times out of 7 in SD county and appealed and was granted CCW 2 X after appeal. It's OK to call a cop or clerk an A hole if it helps you. And it might. The more you prolong the process, things change, you're still in the game. I played the appeal game for almost 11 months at the end of which I received LTC in 2005. The picture below is Sheriff Kolander awarding me the flat badge of Honorary Sheriff's Deputy in 2005. There should be a thousand applications in LA right now. Because you're white, because you're black, because you're Mexican, because you're a woman, and because you're old and asian. Demand it, why are things different in Orange, SD, and the other 50 counties that follow BORs?Don't ever walk away without appealing. When appealing it's common that you see someone higher on the food chain, often a sworn LEO.
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Old 09-18-2020, 11:29 AM
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in CA and LA County specifically, you're allowed to list up to 3 guns.
I've always wondered about this. Do you have to identify all three up front? Or can you add or change the three at any time provided you submit something to someone?
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I've always wondered about this. Do you have to identify all three up front? Or can you add or change the three at any time provided you submit something to someone?
There's a change request form. It's no big deal to add or change later.
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Old 09-23-2020, 8:56 PM
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There's a change request form. It's no big deal to add or change later.
Good to know - thanks! I was just curious because in one of the other threads an individual was saying that in the CCW application interview, the officer asked them a lot of questions around the particular pistol they listed being viable to carry concealed. It made it sound like they like you to have your ducks in a row (so-to-speak) on the firearms front... I just wasn't sure how far it went.

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So I got an interview two weeks ago and just received my denial letter. I did not have any specific threats, but had articulated situations where law enforcement would not be of help. Also, I am former leo many years ago. It is my opinion that not much has changed in regards to CCW policy.
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I will be appealing by the way. I will keep bugging them. It's only 10 bucks after all.☺️
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Can I ask if that was with LASD or LAPD? Apparently LAPD will absolutely deny and then, as AV had stated, you should appeal to LASD. I’m not sure of your GC either but that’s disheartening nonetheless. Especially now as these rioters are pulling people out of cars.

(Yes I know the current situation has no standing with the ccw process).


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It was with LASD.
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Old 09-26-2020, 6:55 PM
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So I got an interview two weeks ago and just received my denial letter. I did not have any specific threats, but had articulated situations where law enforcement would not be of help. Also, I am former leo many years ago. It is my opinion that not much has changed in regards to CCW policy.
You did not have any specific threats, so you didn’t have Dark Red GC. You did mention a GC re unavailability of LE but did not say if that situation is due to a business you own or your profession (Light Red), your employment (Yellow), recreation (Light Green). Which color was your strongest GC?

Those broad categories are broken down in my post, #31, in my Contra Costa CCW advice thread pinned at the top of this forum. Did you read my posts in that thread before applying? What number/s of GC did you use?

As former LEO you may qualify to carry under LEOSA. Have you looked into that?

Were you a LEO with LASD?
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Unfortunately, I do not qualify under LEOSA. I did not have enough years. My good cause has to do mainly with volunteer search and rescue activities in remote areas. If you want, I can PM my good cause statement.
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The news expected by Oct 01 will be delayed by, my guess, a week due to a hiccup in the process.

Best to have purchased and registered all handguns (3 maximum) you want on permit. It just makes process smoother. But it’s not mandatory.

A CGNer said their interview took 20-25 minutes. Told 1-2 weeks from interview to GC denial or being told to proceed with LiveScan.

A different CGNer was told to proceed to LiveScan after using Light Red, Yellow and Light Green GCs.

I hope to post each weekend updates using info from prior week.

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Old 09-26-2020, 10:14 PM
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So I got an interview two weeks ago and just received my denial letter. I did not have any specific threats, but had articulated situations where law enforcement would not be of help. Also, I am former leo many years ago. It is my opinion that not much has changed in regards to CCW policy.
I see I may have jumped the gun in assuming you were denied for insufficient GC. Why did LASD say you were denied?
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They quoted their good cause statement that they have had on their website forever. They refered to a specific person or threat.
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At least for the time being, it appears to me that nothing has changed and the sheriff is blowing smoke.
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If a hippie applied for a THC smoke permit and was denied, what would the hippie do? If an Antifa yute were to apply for a protest permit and denied by police, what would the Antifer do? If a Mexican campesino wanted to immigrate to El Norte and was denied citizenship, what would they do?
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At least for the time being, it appears to me that nothing has changed and the sheriff is blowing smoke.
Instead of wasting your time and money applying to an agency that will deny you why don't you move to a neighboring county so you can get your CCW? You are truly wasting your time. LASD will not issue despite the well intentions and comments of several people on this thread!
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It's not so simple to just up and move when you own your house and have friends and family who live in the area. The CCW is a priority, but there are other priorities that rank higher. We are planning to move. However, it will more likely be out of state. The election results will really be the deciding factor as to whether there is hope or it is too far gone.
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It's not so simple to just up and move when you own your house and have friends and family who live in the area. The CCW is a priority, but there are other priorities that rank higher. We are planning to move. However, it will more likely be out of state. The election results will really be the deciding factor as to whether there is hope or it is too far gone.
I lived on L.A. County for most of my life. I also owned a home and had a job, friends and family there, however, I wanted a CCW and I could not leave California so I sold my home and moved to Orange County and now I have a CCW. I call BS on it not being feasible to move. Either move to a location where you can get a CCW or forever let it go. Talking about it will make no difference. You will not get a CCW in L.A. County. PERIOD!
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I lived on L.A. County for most of my life. I also owned a home and had a job, friends and family there, however, I wanted a CCW and I could not leave California so I sold my home and moved to Orange County and now I have a CCW. I call BS on it not being feasible to move. Either move to a location where you can get a CCW or forever let it go. Talking about it will make no difference. You will not get a CCW in L.A. County. PERIOD!
Despite what you may think you know, not everyone can move to OC or other friendly CCW jurisdictions. Instead of discouraging people to at least try to chip away at the CCW system in LA County, you could encourage them to at least put up a fight. (Even if the odds seem totally against them)

Wouldn't you rather eventually be proven wrong and see people who took the time and a few bucks top fight have a victory in LA County? Or is it more important to be the guy who constantly tells everyone something is impossible?
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It's not so simple to just up and move when you own your house and have friends and family who live in the area. The CCW is a priority, but there are other priorities that rank higher. We are planning to move. However, it will more likely be out of state. The election results will really be the deciding factor as to whether there is hope or it is too far gone.
I understand why you feel that way. Possibly kids in school, church etc.

But we decided to move and went to kern County. CCWs for every non felon/pscho here.

BTW. If the Antelope Valley (Lancaster/Palmdale) is not too far. Kern County ends in the Antelope Valley at Ave. A. Train or car commute to L.A. with a CCW.
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I understand why you feel that way. Possibly kids in school, church etc.

But we decided to move and went to kern County. CCWs for every non felon/pscho here.

BTW. If the Antelope Valley (Lancaster/Palmdale) is not too far. Kern County ends in the Antelope Valley at Ave. A. Train or car commute to L.A. with a CCW.
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Despite what you may think you know, not everyone can move to OC or other friendly CCW jurisdictions. Instead of discouraging people to at least try to chip away at the CCW system in LA County, you could encourage them to at least put up a fight. (Even if the odds seem totally against them)

Wouldn't you rather eventually be proven wrong and see people who took the time and a few bucks top fight have a victory in LA County? Or is it more important to be the guy who constantly tells everyone something is impossible?
Like I have stated before...

I live in the real world not on Fantasy Island. I told Paladin that I will eat that crow when it happens. I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong on this but reality is an intrusive SOB so if you live in L.A County and want a CCW you have three choices.

1. Move to ANY bordering county and as long as you meet the minimum
criteria you will get a CCW.
2. Move to a shall issue state.
3. Continue to waste your time posting messages on a gun forum and twenty
years from now you will still be wishing for something that simply will not
happen. Post on!
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Friends,
  • Don't give up
  • Don't apply if you don't have a very good GC statement. "I transport valuable items" or "I go to remote locations for work" will do fine in most counties in California but not in LA
  • Understand that there seems to be some inconsistencies in how these apps are handled and that there may be some changes going on there
  • If you have great good cause you could still be rejected
  • Or you might get it

As for the "just move" crowd, many / most people have many other issues in life, like real estate, jobs, family, friends and 100 other things, that keep them from moving. If you're single and work from home and you care about CCW more than where you live, then go ahead and move. For the rest of us, it's not that easy.

And remember point #1, don't give up. If you have strong good cause, apply, and if rejected, appeal, and apply again 12+ months later if there's any indication things may have changed.

It's great to be realistic, it's not great to be negative.

A whole bunch of apps are in process now and we will get more data points with every app that's submitted.
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Update on my CCW application.

I received a call from the Los Angeles Sheriff Deputy today and had a very quick interview. It probably lasted last between 5-10 minutes. The Deputy asked why I needed a CCW. I explained that I transport valuables and large amounts of money when I meet my clients, and I have a well documented incident where a disgruntled ex-client made threats to the point of following me home from work and caused my family to move (although no police report or restraining order was filed). My application papers were thick because I submitted all the supporting evidence. I wanted my application file to be as complete as possible so no additional information was needed, and it appears that it was. She asked how long ago the incident happened and if there have been any other incidents since then. She also emphasized that we have the right to own firearms and defend ourselves at home, to which I politely countered that it does not address my and my family's safety when we are away from home. She ended the interview by summarizing it with a conclusory statement, "So there have been no imminent threats since then and your reason for wanting a CCW is general fear, correct?"

Putting words in my mouth is a good indication that the application will likely be rejected. I would be surprised if my application is allowed.

Timeline:
- From the time the application was received until the check for application fee was cashed was around 2 weeks.
- From the time the check was cashed until the phone interview was another 2 weeks.

So it appears that the process takes about one month from the time the application is received until the phone interview.

Although my application will likely be rejected, at least I can help answer CGNers who want to give it a try on how to correctly fill out the form, how to make your application as complete as possible and what kind of evidence you should include. It appears that my application file was good and not an issue. The rejection will be based on the lack of good cause. Side (bitterness) note: maybe if someone in the family gets seriously hurt, knock on wood, just maybe, good cause will be established.

I also still see this as progress. The first time I applied under Sheriff McDonnell, it was an outright rejection letter. This time around, at least I got to a phone interview. So while CCW is still extremely difficult to get and most of us won't get it, things may very slowly turn for the better. It's not a waste of time for me; my expectation was low anyway. We as a group are still learning something from this. If there are more rejections than approvals, then we can update the color in LA County map. We wouldn't know unless we try, right? So take my experience for what it's worth.

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I received a call from the Los Angeles Sheriff Deputy today and had a very quick interview. It probably lasted last between 5-10 minutes. The Deputy asked why I needed a CCW. I explained that(although no police report or restraining order was filed). My application papers were thick because I submitted all the supporting evidence. I wanted my application file to be as complete as possible so no additional information was needed, and it appears that it was. She asked how long ago the incident happened and if there have been any other incidents since then. She also emphasized that we have the right to own firearms and defend ourselves at home, to which I politely countered that it does not address my and my family's safety when we are away from home. She ended the interview by summarizing it with a conclusory statement, "So there have been no imminent threats since then and your reason for wanting a CCW is general fear, correct?"
What you should have said is “No, for my (business/employment) ‘I transport valuables and large amounts of money when I meet my clients’ that puts me at substantial more risk than the general public as seen by the ‘well documented incident where a disgruntled ex-client made threats to the point of following me home from work and caused my family to move.’”

She describes at the end a Dark Red GC standard when AV previously described a Yellow one, at least for Antelope Valley residents.

Do you plan on appealing?

I’ve told you guys to keep watching AV’s video town halls for more info re his CCW policy and practices. Post a summary, a link and roughly the time he talks about CCWs. I won’t do that for you! I’m not in SoCal, much less LA Co.

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You are right. But my feeling based on her tone is that no matter what I said, upon reviewing my written statement, the deputy has probably made up her mind that my reason for wanting a CCW is out of “general fear.” It’s a difficult subjective standard to overcome. I am sure a lot of applicants claim that they are at a substantially higher risk than the general public, but anything can be perceived as a “general fear” and not “imminent threat.”

If the rejection is confirmed in a letter, which I suspect will be forthcoming in another two weeks, then I will appeal. Not so much for hoping that the rejection will be reversed, but to learn something from the process and to confirm the current color of LA County. My expectation is still low even if I appeal.
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She ended the interview by summarizing it with a conclusory statement, "So there have been no imminent threats since then and your reason for wanting a CCW is general fear, correct?"

Putting words in my mouth is a good indication that the application will likely be rejected.
She’s presenting you a false dichotomy: if you don’t have an “imminent threat” GC (Dark Red), you only have a “general fear” (Dark Green). Too bad you didn’t get her to state that in writing. I’d bet if you PRA all the issued CCW GC statements you’d find people who have been issued without imminent threats (with proof). Then you use Guillory v. Gates/OC for a federal 14th Amendment Equal Protection civil rights lawsuit ($$$).


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IIRC tomorrow is the start of a new fiscal year for LASD. Watch LA news sources to see if LASD suffers BLM budget cuts.

Plus monitor the LA Co “Reimagine” policing ballot measure for Nov 3rd. AV said if it passes he may liberalize GC even more. You may consider voting for that measure to pass.
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Another thought: kflakes’ problem may not have been their GC statement per se but rather that the incident was not even reported to the police. Is that the behavior of someone in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury?

Remember without proof that meets their satisfaction they just blow off that GC.

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Yeah, unfortunately. But everything is hindsight 20/20 at this point. I can only submit the facts, which included the "unfavorable fact" that I did not file a police report. I cannot change that. However, that still did not take away another fact that I transport valuable items and large amounts of money when I meet my clients.

Your observation of the deputy's false dichotomy is correct. It sounded like it's either "imminent threat" or "general fear." Nothing in between. But as I understand it, there have been some CGNers that you said have been approved recently. I suppose there is no uniform internal standard in these examinations of applications. It all depends on the deputy reviewing the application, which is highly subjective and varies from one deputy to another.

I am curious to find out how appeals are processed, if the initial application process appears to be dependent on the subjective view of the examining deputy.
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By the way, I used to watch Sheriff Villanueva's weekly live streaming on Facebook, and I posted maybe 1 or 2 of those weekly streamings here. The questions on CCW were always asked, and he always gave the same answer. So I did not post anything new since then, since he only repeats the same answer and there is no new information. I am not aware of any in-person town hall meetings in the last few months due to the stay at home order.
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kflakes, you’re not denied until LASD says you’re denied.

A CGNer had a similar experience and asked me to let you know they passed both GC and interview.
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Exclamation 1st CGNer w Sheriff Villanueva CCW!

(At least they’re the first I know of.)

It is an honor and gives me great pleasure to announce the first CGNer to get a 2-year standard LASD CCW since AV liberalized Good Cause last June.




https://youtu.be/yixG8pfncOs

They’ve never met the sheriff nor donated to his campaign (but I think the latter may change to thank AV and help his re-election).

They said they’d make their own post later, so I’ll let them reveal as much about themselves and the process as they feel comfortable. (Or I can make a post for them, or we can leave at this post if they should change their mind.)

But for now, for the rest of us, it is a time to celebrate!

May their CCW be the first of hundreds or even thousands that LA Co CGNers get.



ETA: they’re the one w an unusual GC that I’d guess is Light Red, maybe Yellow.

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Interesting, I still have not had a call since my check was cashed in early August (the 8th I think) Nothing by mail either.
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Big Jake!!! Open wide!!!!

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Before the trolls show up, no LA Co is not Dark Green or even Light Green: if it was I would have said there will be tens or even hundreds of thousands of CCWs in the future. Some of us may be able to get CCWs now, not most of us or even many of us. But that’s just my best guess at this time. Time (and a variety of applicants) will tell.

But at least AV has kept his word and is (finally!) issuing to some of us.

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Interesting, I still have not had a call since my check was cashed in early August (the 8th I think) Nothing by mail either.
That’s almost two months: I’d try contacting them if I were you.
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I've always wondered about this. Do you have to identify all three up front? Or can you add or change the three at any time provided you submit something to someone?
You list your 3 guns that you plan to carry on your DOJ application. Changes can be made with update forms and you may have to re-qualify with the new firearms added.
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