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2nd Amend. Litigation Updates & Legal Discussion Discuss California 2A related litigation and legal topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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NRA Sues L.A. over First Amendment Violations
Chuck just filed a case challenging the disclosure requirement for business that conduct with L.A. regarding whether they are NRA.
http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/...Complaint-.pdf |
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BDT Bout Damn Time! I've for years, been of the opinion that NRA should adopt the "Scientology" practice of suing the crap out of anybody that pulls this crap. Also! Crooked FAKE NEWS and LEFTIST POLITICOs who make slanderous and specious public claims regarding NRA and its Members. GO GET'M CHUCK!!! |
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"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ----Benjamin Franklin NRA life member CRPA member |
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IMHO, that makes 95 million gun owners "2A Welfare Cases". Sitting on their "assets", and letting others fight for their 2A right. |
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NRA vs LA https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...5#post22934335 Direct link to article: https://abc7.com/politics/nra-sues-l...e-law/5268803/ I am So Tired of the Lying Left and its Endless Supply of Malfeasance. At this moment in time, if you support the Left, your either Incredibly Gullible, Incredibly Stupid, or just plain Evil. And quite possibly All of the Above.... Examples: Noble |
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"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ----Benjamin Franklin NRA life member CRPA member |
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not like the NRA is the only gun rights organization out there. Sure they may be the oldest, but it isn't like they started to fight for gun rights until the 70s after they helped put in gun control laws.
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NRA membership is a requirement to join my private gun club as a full member. Several years ago, I petitioned the board of directors to require NRA membership of all the "limited members" and was successful in that endeavor. I am in the process of preparing a proposal to the Board of Directors to create a two tier pricing scheme for all of the matches sponsored by / at the club that would increase the match fees for nonmembers but offer discounts to those with proof of NRA membership.
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2) It is a catch 22 situation...gun owners want the NRA to be more effective before they join but the NRA cant be more effective without more members...All the people joining after freedom week is proof of this phenomenon. 3) We should all be members of several pro gun organizations. I am a life member of the NRA, SAC and a annual member of the CRPA. 4) We should all be registered Republican and voting republican. The DEMOCRATS are the enemy and we need to keep them out of office. Many will complain about republican too but the republicans are not the one inventing and writing all the anti gun legislation, regardless of how they might vote. Voting for third party candidates, while great protest action, effectively is like a vote for the democrats in our two party system.
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Man, YOU really need to brush up on your history..........prior to Neal Knox's bloodletting at the NRA there was no/nada/zero anyone playing the activist game.............that the NRA has at times gone off track is indisputable, that it also has the ONLY/SINGULAR voice that the politico's heed is also indisputable...........that multi million membership scares the fecal matter out of politicians..........it's when they drop that ball of advocacy that things go to fecal in a heartbeat.........................as in my state with the ossified ex-NRA pres. accorded credibility by my state's legislature..........perhaps deservedly i n years gone by but damned sure not now. And that's what needs correcting.........would that we had another Knox that'd carry that ball!! I don't have access to the other org's stat's, but the very lack of press attacks alone indicates they are ALL secondary runners.......if afforded even that much credibility!.............I know for a fact they did little more in my state than Ms Hammer!!! Last edited by dogrunner; 04-25-2019 at 12:02 PM.. |
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Second Amendment Foundation brings a lot of litigation against state and mostly local anti gun laws / policies. They to good work too but the NRA / CRPA should get priority in anyone support.
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Hell as already Frozen Over Once before: The ACLU Defends the NRA, to the Chagrin of Some in the ACLU National Review. August 28, 2018 https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...clu-attorneys/ Quote:
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There is absolutely no reason why retail outlets should have an issue with this AS WELL AS ANY CONSUMER. Since you are required to give your info during a DROS, use that same info for your membership. A no brainer IMO.
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Besides, membership has to be voluntary or you'll run into legal issues of forced membership dues - unions have just been neutered over forced dues.
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. . . but no way and no how would I support something that automatically enrolls in an advocacy organization a consumer making a normal purchase. If it is truly voluntary, and someone can make the economics work, sure. (Wasn't clear to me from your post, since says not required but auto becomes a member).
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The gun manufacturers should be sharing 50/50 in the cost of membership and the NRA should be offering a discounted membership given the vast number of new members this scheme would create.
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"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ----Benjamin Franklin NRA life member CRPA member |
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It is a GREAT idea, however, for the NRA to implement on their own. Require payment information for a recurring subscription, but give the first year free upon purchase of a gun. Once per person. Giving away a year of free membership to someone that was never going to get a membership on their own costs you almost nothing, other than the extra printing and mailing costs for whatever material is distributed. In the digital era, however, the free membership could be a tier that minimizes any such costs. Anyone with a lick of business sense can see how effective such a policy would be in expanding their "market penetration" so to speak. With where they sit right now I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect their persistent memberships to double or or triple over the next ten years. If the NRA won't do it, somebody else should. With the right business model an upcoming organization could threaten to make the NRA a relic of the past, in a good way. Last edited by alowercaseq; 04-26-2019 at 5:24 PM.. Reason: avoid double post |
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When in doubt sue the bastisds...
The NRA should turn about on the left wing nuts and use the courts to start getting justice. The NRA should stop being the whipping boy...
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Loosing gun rights cases in higher courts would create just the judicial precedent we DO NOT WANT!
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Judge Rejects L.A. Request to Toss NRA Suit Over Disclosure Law
A federal judge in Los Angeles rejected the city’s request to throw out a National Rifle Association lawsuit challenging a new law that requires contractors to disclose all business ties to the organization. The NRA says the law violates its First Amendment rights to free speech and association by trying to freeze out the group’s corporate supporters. U.S. District Judge Stephen Wilson rejected the city’s argument that contractors’ involvement with the NRA isn’t expressive. “That is rejected,” he said at a hearing Monday. “It is expressive, so there is a First Amendment issue.” The judge is still considering an NRA request for an order blocking the ordinance while it pursues its lawsuit to nullify it. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...disclosure-law Last edited by FirearmFino; 08-12-2019 at 5:34 PM.. Reason: Forgot to include link |
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Sounds like a mirror of the SF law.
Go get em. This is not only bad for NRA members but truly an on the freedom of speech. It's no difference than asking employees what church the attend. |
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How about just some literature regarding the NRA and what they do to protect gun owners rights . If you send a copy of your purchase the NRA will knock X percentage off your first year subscription . The gun store could just run off a bunch of copies and include them with the purchase.
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Dealers are already being squeezed hard and should not have to take on the extra burden. However!! There is an incentive for the NRA and firearms manufacturers to include a "join the NRA" insert with their guns. There are very few that do. A good quality insert only costs about 6 cents. Even if it only produces 1 new membership in 100, the cost to the OEM is only $6 vs a $25, $50, $100, or $500 life membership. Actually, I thank you for lighting a fire under my arse. I'm gonna contact Sam Peredes at CRPA right now and put together a flier for our shipments!! Thordo |
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This Court heard oral argument on Defendants’ motion to dismiss on August 12, 2019. Dkt. 29. At the hearing, the Court orally denied the motion to dismiss. Dkt. 33. This Order supersedes that denial. Defendants’ motion to dismiss is DENIED in part and GRANTED in part. Oral argument on Plaintiffs’ motion for preliminary injunction was noticed by this Court for September 9, 2019, but the Court vacated the hearing and took the matter under submission. Dkt. 32. For the reasons stated below, the preliminary injunction is GRANTED.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...44044.34.0.pdf |
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Victory
In case nobody understood FirearmFino's post, it means we won: https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-blo...close-nra-ties
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Congrats! After hearing all our lives about how evil Joe McCarthy was then watch the City of LA and others upstage McCarthy is mind boggling.
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^^^The above is just an opinion. NRA Patron Member CRPA 5 yr Member "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson |
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