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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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How to deal with security guards.
I have a question for the CCW holders.
Has anyone been searched by a security guard while carrying a CCW IWB or carry bag while going into a business? How did that go and any word of advice? Thanks |
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They should not be physically searching you.
If you are entering a venue and being searched, then likely they don’t allow any form of firearms or weapons. |
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I’m asking because I saw a guard asking people for a bag search while getting into a business. Before the covid, places like Dave & Buster use to search bags and use the metal detector to screen people.
Just wanted to see what you guys would do. |
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However, if it’s simply a bag search, carry on your person. I wouldn’t allow them to search me nor would I disclose I am carrying or have a CCW permit. |
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What I would do is turn around and walk away to go find a non-commie establishment to patronize.
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Artist contracts specify the level of search the venue is to apply. Concert patrons are free to refuse a search; the venue is free then to direct the patron to the box office for a refund, because no search = no entry. This is complicated by the fact that tickets purchased on-line cannot be refunded at the box office. I have heard that some bars will do a search, but I don't go to bars, so I have no direct knowledge of that. But I agree with Skyhawk: if the business doesn't want all of me, they don't really want my money, either.
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Uncle Ted usually does a monologue ripping on California politics and all the anti-gun laws his concert, his rules I guess
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I would think if a venue had a ‘No firearms’ policy and WAS SCANNING, then I wouldn’t be carrying IF I just had to go in. I carry in places (not governmental) that “suggest” they do not want firearms inside, but have never been bodily “searched” without scanners/detectors also being present. And IF they found my firearm and I ABSOLUTELY HAD to go in for whatever purpose, then I’d return the firearm to my car. It is what it is. IF I didn’t NEED to go in, I’d just leave. I forget, what was the problem again? .
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This. Go read the Downtown Disney story. Some places you will get arrested even if you are legally carrying.
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You have a link to that? Because it sounds like FUD.
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Scanners - https://blogmickey.com/2020/10/artif...eyland-resort/
Policy - https://disneyland.disney.go.com/faq...rmitted-items/ Quote:
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And he'd be a sitting duck up there on stage. It is what it is unfortunately... Sent from my SM-N986U1 using Tapatalk |
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Sounds like you have two choices. If a search is required for entry:
1. Leave your CCW in the car, submit to the search, and enter, or 2. Leave and never patronize the business again. Can't tell you what to do, but it seems pretty cut and dry. |
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Ok. I got this from a security guard company.
Normally, they don’t care about CCW unless they were instructed by the business/building owner to screen visitors for weapons. If that happens, everyone has to follow their rules. |
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Funny story, went to an event at UCI years ago on campus. Buddy is LEO off duty and they were checking bags cause there was a no cameras allowed policy. They checked his bag with his gun in it and was like, ok next. They didnt ask about it at all. I guess they were only looking for cameras...
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Clearly you need the two following items to deal with those pesky security guards:
Item 1: Item 2: That'll show them who's boss /sarcasm
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The OP's original question was about entering a business. I would not allow a search by a security guard to enter a retail business, I'd take my business elsewhere.
A concert venue is a different matter, weapons are usually prohibited, and I would abide by their policy and not be carrying. These days most of the bigger venues have you empty your pockets and go through a metal detector anyway, not a physical search. A couple times the hardware in my leg from an old bike crash has set off the metal detectors and I got pulled aside for a pat down. No big deal. |
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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/52...loaded-firearm "Engwall then walked Temple to the Disney Security Building so she could continue the investigation, and that’s when Temple told her that she was from Georgia. She did not have a concealed weapons permit in Florida or Georgia." So unless I am missing something she was not legally carrying.
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I do security and it depends on the clients policies.
I generally nicely say sorry you can have that on the premises, please go secure it in your vehicle. That being said expect fairly thorough search on re entry. You have some gun ho security personnel and then more experienced officers that dont consider it a huge deal. |
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I do security and it depends on the clients policies.
I generally nicely say sorry you can have that on the premises, please go secure it in your vehicle. That being said expect fairly thorough search on re entry. You have some gun ho security personnel and then more experienced officers that dont consider it a huge deal. |
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I work part time for Disneyland here in Anaheim. Trust me NO WEAPONS are allowed on property, CCW or not, including cast members. All guests go thru metal detectors. We also have 8 or 9 dogs that sniff for explosives and contraband.
We have our bags searched upon entrance (I heard metal detectors are coming soon for the cast side) Last year they started having a dog at our cast gate. I was pulled aside several times and checked as the dog gave a positive on me. I had gone shooting just before work one day and one other time I had cleaned a few guns prior to work. Both times I was asked if I had handled firearms or marijuana prior to coming to work. I was honest and said yes firearms, even though it is really none of their business what I do prior to work on my own time. I leave my EDC securely locked in my vehicle while on property, and that is a stretch as they own the cast parking lot. I have not heard of any arrests here in Anaheim yet for weapons. |
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my feeling is that non-essential businesses should have the freedom to reject business from any customer, for any reason (ROAR = right of access refused). if that offends you, spend your money somewhere else. doesn't matter if they want to reject gun owners, or reject customers who want cake decorations that offend them. of course some liberals think it's fair to reject some people but not others, but that is another story.
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They also told me they (at that time) wouldn’t return it without a COE which takes about 4 weeks even if they LEO needs it for work the next day in another state. Oops.
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Wut if they want to refuse coloreds or mezkins?
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Shooting from INSIDE a phone booth, no hearing protection. That had to hurt!
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then that creates a business opportunity for somebody else, and will most likely severely damage their reputation and hurt their business. it might create an ugly scene, but i still think that if people want to make bad business decisions, it's on them.
now note that i'm only talking about non-essential businesses, where the rejected customer can easily go somewhere else. if it's an essential service and there are no alternatives, it becomes an equal treatment under the law issue. |
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I've been in this type of a situation once. I just told the guy as I approached that I was armed and asked what he wanted to do. He told me to return to my car to disarm and come back to the front of the line when I was done. You can't bring knifes, pepper spray or a baton in either and you don't have to disclose how you are armed. Just be up front and nice about it. Dude was cool and didn't even wand me when I came back. To be clear, I never said I had a firearm on me.
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Never saw anything at the detectors, probably because it's not a long walk back to the car. Not sure what is happening at Downtown Disney. For those that didn't pick up on it that story was an incident at Disney World, NOT Disneyland. There are Orange Counties in 5 states. DW has Orange County FL Sheriffs. DL is Anaheim PD, not OC Sheriffs |
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