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Old 05-16-2020, 10:25 PM
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Vote by mail is just the latest step by Democrats to corrupt our elections, seize power, and destroy the Constitution.

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anyone with an average IQ can figure that one out but the problem is no one wants to think about the hard decisions required to reverse this vote hijacking. That is what happened to start the civil war. They used majority rule as the excuse while refusing to defend minority rights.
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anyone with an average IQ can figure that one out but the problem is no one wants to think about the hard decisions required to reverse this vote hijacking. That is what happened to start the civil war. They used majority rule as the excuse while refusing to defend minority rights.
Leftists will always say there is no voter fraud. Always. They will say there is no problem with it.

This is how leftists take over the country. Ballot harvesting was the first step. Mail in voting and it's not absentee voting when one is not able to vote in person or those who are disabled and are unable to vote in person they are not the problem.

This is how they get the lazy millennial generation to actually vote and they will by majority vote leftist.

Yes I used leftist a lot as it is warranted. These are not liberals. A liberal today is too much left of center. Leftists are the extremists who are making the case and those who are sucking it up are ones who do not see the problem nor the future implications it has.

Leftists are using the pandemic to push this which shouldn't come to anyone's surprise.
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I worked nearly two dozen elections as a pollworker, mainly as a precinct inspector. Based on what I was able to observe, I think that absentee voting is one of the biggest threats to the security of elections. Absentee voting should require confirming that someone is in fact a registered voter (vetting), very compelling and good cause to get one (mariner, diplomat, soldier, some sort of disease or condition that literally prevents in-person voting, etc.), and should have considerable security measures to ensure that the person voting is actually the voter, and which allows the voter to verify that their vote was counted, and counted correctly, for which they have proof. Absentee voter status should require frequent renewal, and if you cannot maintain justification, or cannot prove you are alive and a registered voter, status eliminated.

I recall during the 2012 election that we had a large van come by the neighborhood precinct center. Several women got out of the back, each carrying a large stack of absentee ballots; easily dozens per woman. They came to my table first, and one said that she was turning in her ballot and her husband's ballot, and just happened to have all of these other ones to turn in as well. I took a look and every single envelope was filled in with the same handwriting, and the signatures looked like they were all done by the same person as well. I then noticed that none of them had the third party authorization section filled out, which permitted be to reject them all. They then went from table to table in the voting center, trying to turn them in, and I had to go to each one to explain why this was suspicious and why they should be rejected, until they had exhausted all of the precincts and left with their ballots. Every precinct was ready to blindly accept them all because "the voting never stops." I'm sure whatever place they went to next gladly accepted them.

In-person fraud and tampering at the polls is much more difficult and requires a lot more manpower per votes manipulated. Still, I've seen evidence of that, too. On more than one occasion I've had a person ask how so-and-so could have signed the roster, because that person was their neighbor, and he's been dead for several years, or because he moved away years ago and someone else lives at that address, and such.

And of course, you have the classic "finding" of ballot boxes in Democratic strongholds (in warehouses, trunks of cars, or wherever) that just happen to be overwhelmingly favorable to Democrats (even above and beyond the rest of the vote) and is just enough to tip the scales towards the Democrat, like what pushed Evers over the top to beat Walker in Wisconsin. From what I can tell, the potential for this with absentee ballots is all the greater since there is generally way less security involved with collections, and far more room for tampering. I mean, how do you really know how many ballots came in? You have to trust whatever people say the count is.

Eliminating most absentee balloting and early voting would inconvenience a lot of people, but you know what, ballot security is way more important then an individual's personal convenience.
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^^^^As another guy recently said, if illegal aliens were mostly Republicans the Democrats would be quick to close the borders and cut aid to them and their families. Same goes for the mail-in ballots. If it wasn’t to the Democrats advantage they wouldn’t be pushing so hard for it. Why don’t you think that they’re against showing ID when you vote now?

Maybe require a thumb print for any mail-in ballot? That at least would limit someone to voting just twice.
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Vote by mail is just the latest step by Democrats to corrupt our elections, seize power, and destroy the Constitution.

Now, now... I'm sure all 800,000,000 "registered" democrap voters in CA, will follow the law when mailing in their ballot this November.
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Leftists will always say there is no voter fraud. Always. They will say there is no problem with it.

This is how leftists take over the country. Ballot harvesting was the first step. Mail in voting and it's not absentee voting when one is not able to vote in person or those who are disabled and are unable to vote in person they are not the problem.

This is how they get the lazy millennial generation to actually vote and they will by majority vote leftist.

Yes I used leftist a lot as it is warranted. These are not liberals. A liberal today is too much left of center. Leftists are the extremists who are making the case and those who are sucking it up are ones who do not see the problem nor the future implications it has.

Leftists are using the pandemic to push this which shouldn't come to anyone's surprise.
Yep.

Also, when you don't look for Voter Fraud, it is hardly surprising
when you never find any...

When the Democrats claim "there is No Evidence" of Voter Fraud,
its because they never seriously looked for it in the first place.

Or they will cite some "Small Study" out of some Midwestern State
in which some tiny percentage of Fraud was discovered and use this
result to claim that this is typical of All results Nation Wide.

The hypocrisy of the Democrats is on full display when they DEMAND
we show multiple forms of ID in order to exercise our 2A Rights, but
somehow asking for proper Identification before Voting is Racist ?!


At this point in Time, if you support and vote for the Democrat Party,
there is something seriously wrong with your cognitive abilities.


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Leftists will always say there is no voter fraud. Always. They will say there is no problem with it.
Lamestream media will never report on it either.
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In five years the only rights and privileges you will have are those you are willing to take, fight for, and die for even if it means going against family and friends who betrayed this country. As a veteran i swore an oath and I have not forgotten it since i now know what it is like to lose my country without firing a shot because my fellow citizens voted a man (Gavin Newsom) that I feel is a traitor into office and lost my rights because of it.
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Vote by mail is just the latest step by Democrats to corrupt our elections, seize power, and destroy the Constitution.

https://www.facebook.com/prageru/vid...?id=1343288616
I’m looking for tips and trick on how to maximize my votes.

I mean, I’m a novice at voter fraud but since those are the new rules of engagement, play to win.
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Thread is like a circle Jerk for those wanting an excuse to interfere with people's right to vote. THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT MAIL IN VOTER FRAUD. <<< This is true. NO ONE HAS ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY SIGNIFICANT VOTER FRAUD<<< This is true. I Believe in the constitutional right for every eligible voter to have their vote counted. Do i support gun rights- As a Veteran- Damn right i do!!! What i support equally, is everyone's right to vote. Shouting at each other in a circle jerk, doesn't make it true. support the right to vote, or move to Russia!!!
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Thread is like a circle Jerk for those wanting an excuse to interfere with people's right to vote. THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT MAIL IN VOTER FRAUD. <<< This is true. NO ONE HAS ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY SIGNIFICANT VOTER FRAUD<<< This is true. I Believe in the constitutional right for every eligible voter to have their vote counted. Do i support gun rights- As a Veteran- Damn right i do!!! What i support equally, is everyone's right to vote. Shouting at each other in a circle jerk, doesn't make it true. support the right to vote, or move to Russia!!!
Nobody is interfering with peoples right to vote, except Democrats.

Because when you allow people to vote who are NOT eligible to vote,
you directly damage the will of Legal Voters.

Apparently you don't know the difference between
Absentee Voting, and Cheat By Mail.


Absentee Voting YOU request it, in the states that allow it, and if
you meet that particular states criteria (military service, etc) they
send the ballot to you at your current address.

Cheat By Mail, which is what the Democrats are proposing,
EVERYONE gets sent a Ballot Automatically, which means ballots
will be going to the Wrong Addresses because people moved, some
going to people who have died, etc. it will also strain the capacity of
the USPS mail system to properly handle Cheat by Mail:

USPS warned 46 states that it can't guarantee that all
mail-in-ballots would arrive on time to be counted

https://www.businessinsider.com/usps...ve-time-2020-8


Also, it will produce problems with excessive ballots being issued
that anyone can fill out do to some states not keeping their voter
registrations accurate and up to date:

Five States Face Federal Lawsuit Over
Inaccurate Voter Registrations

Real Clear Politics. Jan-7-2020
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...s__142089.html

"Based on data the federal Electoral Assistance Commission released
last year, the new analysis indicates that a minimum of 2.5 million
voter registrations are wrongly listed as valid. It suggests widespread
lack of compliance with the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA),
which requires states to remove people who have died, moved, or
are otherwise ineligible to vote from the rolls. While having excess
registrations isn’t proof of voter fraud, voter integrity advocates note
that it does create opportunities for deception, such as allowing people
to vote twice in different precincts or submit invalid absentee ballots"

<<< END Quotes >>>

LA County, for example, has admitted its voter registration exceeds
the number of eligible voters, the numbers range from 112% to 144%
depending on the sources / time.

The point being, with Cheat By Mail, those 12% to 44%excessive
ballots will be mailed out, with whoever stumbles across them
being able to fill them out and send them in. Do you support that ?

Plus, we already have examples of what a disaster Cheat by Mail is:

New York’s Mail-Vote Disaster
Almost a month after the election, nobody knows who won.
Wall Street Journal Editorial Board. July 20, 2020 7:15 pm ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yor...er-11595286912

Signed, Sealed, Undelivered: Thousands Of Mail-In
Ballots Rejected For Tardiness

NPR. 7/13/2020
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/88975...-for-tardiness

"Mail-in voting, which tens of millions of Americans are expected to
use this November, is fraught with potential problems. Hundreds of
thousands of ballots go uncounted each year because people make
mistakes, such as forgetting to sign the form or sending it in too late.

An NPR analysis has found that in the primary elections held so far this
year, at least 65,000 absentee or mail-in ballots have been rejected
because they arrived past the deadline, often through no fault of
the voter."

<<< END QUOTES >>>

Claims of their being No Election fraud are untrue:

Democratic Party official admits to stuffing ballot
boxes in Philadelphia elections

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ffing-ballot-/
A Philadelphia elections judge and Democratic Party official pleaded
guilty Thursday to stuffing ballot boxes in favor of Democratic candidates
in elections in 2014, 2015 and 2016, while collecting thousands of dollars
in cash to make the changes.

Prosecutors hinted at an even broader conspiracy by an unnamed
“political consultant” who charged his clients “consulting fees” and
then used some of the money to pay off multiple Election Board officials
.
<<< END Quotes >>>

And yes, I can cite more cases of fraud.

When you aren't actively Looking for Fraud, its NO SURPRISE
that you don't find any. And when Democrats say "oh, even if there
is Voter fraud, its only maybe 1%".... Well, many elections are Won
with 1% or less.

The Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity
composed of a bipartisan panel, tried to investigate the matter,
but was stymied by refusal of majority of states to cooperate, some
claiming releasing certain data was illegal under their state law.
With the lack of cooperation and lawsuits by ACLU etc. Trump
decided to disband the commission in 2018.

Look at what the Democrats are doing in Nevada with AB4 to
enable Cheat by Mail if you don't believe me:

(Democrats control both the Legislature and Governorship)

Nevada Legislature AB4:
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELI...Bill/7150/Text

You have provisions that basically say legit postmark is NOT necessary
for the ballot to be accepted (they hide this by saying "unclear" postmark)
allowing ballots to be accepted UP TO THREE DAYS AFTER THE
ELECTION ! which means ballots could be created AFTER the election
date, which is, of course, Unconstitutional. It also plays games
with polling numbers and locations, basically favoring Democrat
areas, while shorting traditionally Republican areas, which violates
rights under the Equal Protection Clause.

Additional Info here:

Trump campaign sues Nevada over bill expanding mail-in
voting for general election

The Nevada Independent. 8-4-2020
https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...neral-election

If you can shop at your local stores you can certainly vote in person
at your local polling area, or if previously registered Absentee go that
route.

Quit trying to equate in person voting as some sort of Death sentence
because of Covid-19...


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17 days after election. Vote will count. Wow. 17 days to cheat. If "postmarked" by election day.
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Republicans don't like mail in ballots and Democrats like mail in ballots for the same reason. Mail in ballots very slightly favor democrats when you look at the voting preferences of mail in voters in past elections (0.7% to be exact, which is very small but could be the margin in an election as close as some recent ones have been) Source. And that has nothing to do with fraud its a matter of selection bias.

No, one dude committing fraud that's not even mail in is not evidence. That's an anecdote. And oh what's this? A lone wolf Republican caught tampering with ballots. Lawsuits by the guy running that don't present their own hard evidence are not objective evidence either.

Bring me evidence. A credible study. A large scale operation uncovered. I'll be waiting.

This is not a pro-Democrat post. This is a let's be real about everyone's motivations post. This is politics, both sides try to get every edge they can. I get many here appreciate that Republicans are the ones who protect gun rights. I don't see fully eye to eye with either side but I appreciate the Republican party for that protection as well. There's no need to pull wool over your own eyes to make yourself feel better about your alignment with that.
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My wife's came in the mail but mine is missing.... good thing I am voting in person like always.
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Meanwhile, Don the con and his merry band of misfits are actively attempting voter suppression all across the country. Fact. He was even smacked down by his own appointed federal judges. It's incredible that anyone could support this deplorable and anti-American behavior. Sadly, it's become par for the course these days. The party of values/morals/ethics is a complete farce. (#upsidedownoldglory)
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Meanwhile, Don the con and his merry band of misfits are actively attempting voter suppression all across the country. Fact. He was even smacked down by his own appointed federal judges. It's incredible that anyone could support this deplorable and anti-American behavior. Sadly, it's become par for the course these days. The party of values/morals/ethics is a complete farce. (#upsidedownoldglory)
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You seem to think that you're entitled to tell everyone what they should feel, think, and believe. Good luck with that.
This is the second time I am calling you a hypocrite, from what I read in your posts you certainly are telling everyone what they should feel, think, and believe. Good luck with your left idealogy on a gun forum!
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Meanwhile, Don the con and his merry band of misfits are actively attempting voter suppression all across the country. Fact. He was even smacked down by his own appointed federal judges. It's incredible that anyone could support this deplorable and anti-American behavior. Sadly, it's become par for the course these days. The party of values/morals/ethics is a complete farce. (#upsidedownoldglory)
You are the only anti-American here. You and the likes did everything you could to disrupt Trump's Presidency. Calls for impeachment started literally next day after 2016 election results were announced.
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Likewise! I've watched you break the rules with impunity for over a year now. You seem to think that you're entitled to tell everyone what they should feel, think, and believe. Good luck with that.
I have never told anyone what to feel think and believe... and challenge you to produce the quotes.

What I have done is tell YOU and other leftist Soros / Bloomberg shills and hypocrite pro democrat gun owners to take your leftist anti 2A filth and go somewhere else. I respond to your anti 2A pro democrat propaganda and DISINFORMATION that you and your leftist pro democrat friends routinely come out of the woodwork in an election cycle to spew. I have and will continue to call you all out for who and what you are and how you have and will vote against the 2A and 99% of the participants in this forum. And all I have to do is cut and paste your own words/posts.

Your profile name is so telling...people like you come here to sow the seeds of discontent and say what you do here because it is safe...you know that if you told people in person at gun ranges/gun stores you'd be a laughing stock, shunned and probably get your *** kicked. So much safer behind a keyboard right..."Anonymous"?
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Meanwhile, Don the con and his merry band of misfits are actively attempting voter suppression all across the country. Fact. He was even smacked down by his own appointed federal judges. It's incredible that anyone could support this deplorable and anti-American behavior. Sadly, it's become par for the course these days. The party of values/morals/ethics is a complete farce. (#upsidedownoldglory)
I am very sorry this is happening to you: zerohedge.com/political/secret-service-travel-logs-match-details-alleged-hunter-biden-emails
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Meanwhile, Don the con and his merry band of misfits are actively attempting voter suppression all across the country. Fact. He was even smacked down by his own appointed federal judges. It's incredible that anyone could support this deplorable and anti-American behavior. Sadly, it's become par for the course these days. The party of values/morals/ethics is a complete farce. (#upsidedownoldglory)
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Thread is like a circle Jerk for those wanting an excuse to interfere with people's right to vote. THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT MAIL IN VOTER FRAUD. <<< This is true. NO ONE HAS ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY SIGNIFICANT VOTER FRAUD<<< This is true. I Believe in the constitutional right for every eligible voter to have their vote counted. Do i support gun rights- As a Veteran- Damn right i do!!! What i support equally, is everyone's right to vote. Shouting at each other in a circle jerk, doesn't make it true. support the right to vote, or move to Russia!!!
everyone has the right for their vote to count as well. If they are watered down, AT ALL, that is not right. Voter fraud is voter fraud no matter what the scale. Point is, when you can register as many names as you can make up without having to prove jack squat in order to cast a vote then there is a serious problem. I have never heard of "significant" voter suppression either, does that make it ok? Come to think of it, I have never ever heard of a verified case of voter suppression.
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My prediction is this election will see the highest voter participation rate ever. Hmmm, I wonder why???
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My prediction is this election will see the highest voter participation rate ever. Hmmm, I wonder why???
Because since the dead are at a disadvantage they get to vote twice.
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Because since the dead are at a disadvantage they get to vote twice.
I'm looking at another angle. A vast majority of young, eligible voters don't go to the polls. But they will receive ballots. So, it's easy to vote by mail. Or, the harvesters will go door to door and do it for them.

This whole thing just stinks.
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Again, off subject, personal attacks, and breaking the rules. I'd respond in kind but would probably end up banned again for defending myself (yet again) from personal attacks.
As usual, anyone who disagrees with a liberal/progressive's position or calls someone out for their liberal/progressive position is seen as launching a personal attack. Criticizing/challenging a public political position is a completely different thing than attacking someone personally. Snowflake much?
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THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT MAIL IN VOTER FRAUD. <<< This is true. NO ONE HAS ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY SIGNIFICANT VOTER FRAUD<<< This is true.
<<< THIS is an acknowledgement that voter fraud exists. So how do you define "significant"? That seems to be the only part of the claim you call into question.
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I'm looking at another angle. A vast majority of young, eligible voters don't go to the polls. But they will receive ballots. So, it's easy to vote by mail. Or, the harvesters will go door to door and do it for them.

This whole thing just stinks.
Yup, it happened in Orange County last time around.
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The liberal rational for all these rife with fraud policies is similar to the rational for banning firearms...

"If it saves just one life..." = "Every vote should count..."

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court on Friday ruled that ballots cannot be thrown out if the signature on the ballot does not match the signature on the ballot application.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pa-...-matching-rule
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Thread is like a circle Jerk for those wanting an excuse to interfere with people's right to vote. THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT MAIL IN VOTER FRAUD. <<< This is true. NO ONE HAS ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY SIGNIFICANT VOTER FRAUD<<< This is true. I Believe in the constitutional right for every eligible voter to have their vote counted. Do i support gun rights- As a Veteran- Damn right i do!!! What i support equally, is everyone's right to vote. Shouting at each other in a circle jerk, doesn't make it true. support the right to vote, or move to Russia!!!
With all respect Joe, the voter fraud that is successful doesn't get uncovered. Like the vote harvesting in 2018. There was no way to authenticate if the votes in those ballots were cast by the people were eligible to vote, or even who those people were. Anyone who gets a drivers license (and anyone can get one) is automatically registered and sent a mail in ballot. No signature to match, no photo ID to prove who the person is, etc. Just to prove how easy it is to get a mail in ballot, I registered online, got a simple letter asking if everything I said is true, so I mailed that in, and I expect to get a ballot before the election. I don't plan to use that ballot to vote...I'll vote just once and under my own name...but I will use that ballot to expose how easy it is to stuff the ballot boxes. And Joe, it isn't just who votes, it is also who counts the votes. The majority of Registrars are Democrats...and they are the ones who decide which votes are counted.
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I'm venturing that member "WTF JOE" has a last name that rhymes with Hide'n.

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Is this forum just an echo chamber for old fogies.
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Is this forum just an echo chamber for old fogies.
Hmmmm... joined in August 2020 and you live in the Bay Area. Can't wait to see what your future posts are about ...
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Is this forum just an echo chamber for old fogies.
And trolls, don't forget the trolls.
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