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Old 11-03-2019, 8:51 AM
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New rootah:
Wow, if I am reading this right... I burned 35Gbytes of download data in just the last 2 days (streaming mostly)...


Edit: Correction: 36.8, just to the right of the circle...
Rookie numbers brah. I can burn up that much data in less than an hour. When I had Comcast cable in CA, I used up my two months grace exceeding the 1TB limit the first two months of service, and the first month since I was already over after about a week, I said screw it and just went full bore, exceeded 4 TB the first month. Of course it's easy to do when torrenting entire ISO sets for game consoles. I think I downloaded the entire PS2 and Wii library that month, plus some smaller sets.

What router did you end up going with? I'm behind a Cisco ASA at home. I demand the best.

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Old 11-06-2019, 4:19 AM
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Rookie numbers brah. I can burn up that much data in less than an hour. When I had Comcast cable in CA...
Who are you using/with now?

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Happy about your new router, but don't tell us what it is?
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...What router did you end up going with? I'm behind a Cisco ASA at home. I demand the best. ...
I dropped the Make/model/price here:
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Welp, I dropped about $15 more than it WAS priced, as it is now $161.63 (after tax) for the NETGEAR Nighthawk AC2600 Smart WiFi Router (R7450)...

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Old 11-07-2019, 7:29 PM
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CenturyLink gig fiber. Cheaper than I was paying for 250 Mbit from Comcast coax.

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Old 12-07-2019, 5:43 PM
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557.946 Gigabytes downloaded for the 1st full month, and I haven't been watching much... I had no clue.
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Old 12-13-2019, 6:19 PM
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I use the Google mesh also. Been a year and have no complains.
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Old 12-17-2019, 10:51 PM
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Funny this fancy Netgear Nighthawk seems to be capping bandwidth at about 61-65Mbps... and the Asus always got me to near full-stated bandwidth speeds ~83-85Mbps!!!
Can't return it, even if not performing par... past return cycle for Amazon goods, just chatted with Gomer-pile at Amazon.

BAD Amazon, BAD!

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Old 12-18-2019, 4:10 AM
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Can anyone recomend An AC Asus that lets you use custom firmware, and which hacked firmware to use that will let me set the clock to stock-clocking (not overclocking out of the gate)?
One requirement is that I can set multiple "guest SSIDs" (more than 2 total, not including main 2.4GHz and 5GHz), so I can ground one kid at a time...

I didn't like the DD-WRT interface on the old D-Links, but I am sure the interface changed over the years from when this was first a thing on their first G routers...

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Old 12-18-2019, 9:46 AM
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Are you taking your speed tests, wired into an Ethernet port on the router? If not, you are seeing variability in the transmission rate, and not in the throughput of the device. If over WiFi, I can guarantee that you can get faster speeds by optimizing the radios. I get 300Mbps, sustained, on an eight year old N-only router.

The Asus may come with more optimized presets than the Netgear, but it likely doesn’t have anything to do with CPU clock, and everything to do with auto-adjusting settings for transmission.

I’m not sure how much can be set in each stock interface for advanced radio tuning, but that’s another win for custom firmware.

I would recommend the AC-3200 for maximum performance, or the N66U for minimum hassle (fewer bands and features). AC66U for something in between.

You also don’t need multiple SSIDs for rate control. That can be done off of MAC addresses in the IP traffic settings.

Interface-wise, I already suggested Advanced-Tomato for you as a Newb. There’s even an online demo.
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Old 12-18-2019, 10:11 AM
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Are you taking your speed tests, wired into an Ethernet port on the router?l].
Yes, wired... this nighthawk caps 61-63mbps, and the old n66u always hit my max-ish, until it started giving up the goat... Minus a tiny amount of overhead (around 83-86mbps).

I am hopping on a layer 2 in the computer room, but no changes on that side...

I need the pipe as fast as possible, as today I should be getting 500/500mbps, even though the guy on the phone said 500/500 MEGABYTES PER SECOND, EVEN AFTER I VERIFIED FOR CLARIFICATION...

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Old 12-18-2019, 11:48 AM
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Are you using QoS and is it software based? My Ubiquiti limits throughput to 550 Mbps since it isn’t hardware offloaded.
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QoS is automatically on and part of any 802.11 implementation from N-onwards, as N incorporated 802.11e.

When you use custom buckets and classes, you are extending the four basic classes provided by WMM, and some of that processing may take place in user-land, but if you disable QoS, you can’t utilize any protocols other than A/B/G.

Just a point of clarification.
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Old 12-19-2019, 3:03 AM
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One thing I noticed about this Netgear is that wired traffic stops w/about any setting changes, however on the RT-N66U wired traffic didn't seem to be effected negatively when changes were applied, only Wireless... so one more +point for Asus, and -point for Netgear, both stock.

It appears my 500/500 is just now getting flipped, they started, so right now my router can't pull DHCP on the WAN port starting at 03:35 this morning. Tethering to phone to post this. Time for a newer Asus AC router, and I'll try to get as much back on the Nighthawk as I can selling it on eBay, screen-scraping the date I purchased on Amazon just over a month ago...

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I would recommend the AC-3200 for maximum performance...
Interface-wise, I already suggested Advanced-Tomato for you as a Newb. There’s even an online demo.
Will this beast work?
https://smile.amazon.com/Tri-Band-La.../dp/B00S9SGNNS
EDIT: It appears this even has RP-SMA connectors, which many don't seem to these days...

It appears supported here:
https://advancedtomato.com/downloads/router/rt-ac3200

and here:


Oh, and do AdvancedTomato, or the newer DD-WRT varients let you stock-clock the proc, rather than the default-overclock you mentioned before, or is that just MFR firmware that does this?

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Old 12-19-2019, 6:23 AM
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Clock setting is generally an NVRAM variable and is set via software on boot. Check the release notes for mention of the “clkfreq” variable.

I can’t say with 100% certainty that every platform supports dynamic scaling, however.

The AC-3200 is supported, but it is the latest to be, so, again, check the release notes before you buy it to make sure all features you want are supported.
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Old 12-19-2019, 9:28 PM
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QoS is automatically on and part of any 802.11 implementation from N-onwards, as N incorporated 802.11e.

When you use custom buckets and classes, you are extending the four basic classes provided by WMM, and some of that processing may take place in user-land, but if you disable QoS, you can’t utilize any protocols other than A/B/G.

Just a point of clarification.
Thanks, I don't keep up much with standards like I used to. I have a problem with bufferbloat and the router uses fq_codel in its smart queue management which isn't hardware offloaded. I mostly use 802.3ab, had to look it up, so I'm not sure if 802.11e supports that in QoS.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:57 PM
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The short answer is that 802.11 is for wireless networks, 802.11e implemented MAC QoS for wireless. 802.3ab is Gigabit Ethernet networking. Or, did you mean 802.3ac, which is wired Ethernet-MAC QoS with 802.1d (which is really 802.1p, and now rolled up into 802.1q...LOL)?

In any event, it’s pretty difficult to parse it all out sometimes. The upshot is that TCP stacks that implement 802.1d/p/q in software can also overlay 802.11e implementations and it will be half-offloaded as the wireless QoS is done in hardware (AFAIK). The problem is that VLAN Q-tagged packets for 802.1q can’t coexist with APs in infrastructure mode, and they have to be configured as PTP bridges. So in reality, when you are a wireless client and performing QoS, it’s really up to the individual radio-vendor’s driver how it actually implements that.

For wired, YMMV depending on the functionality of the network adapter and controller.

Now, what you are talking about, with fq_codel is fair queueing, not QoS. The difference is that you are applying policy at one router based on src/dst port. Unless you are sending Q-tagged packets across bridges to other devices to synchronize the transmission classes, you are just doing traffic shaping, locally. This is not true-QoS, as applied to network infrastructure. The buffer-bloat issue was addressed by the queueing engine, but in practical terms, QoS it is not.

Super-confusing, I know.
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Old 12-20-2019, 10:02 AM
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The short answer is that 802.11 is for wireless networks, ...

Super-confusing, I know.
Do you actually do router builds for a living, or just a hobby?

Do you do side work for some who sells custom firmware preinstalled?
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Old 12-20-2019, 10:48 AM
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No and no. I’m a technical consultant. It requires me to advise and do whatever the technical needs demand.

I do router builds for myself, primarily, to keep the trust chain as short as possible. I do builds for others on occasion, but more often they are programmers as well and want the skill to know how to do it themselves.
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The caps I mentioned carried over to the new router, meaning it was a goof on the FiOS side where they had their head up their backsides...

They flipped the switch, as the rep on the phone said my ONT supported 500/500, and he was wrong, so the old ONT went into half-azz-whack-mode.

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