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Old 11-30-2023, 7:57 PM
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Democrats introducing bill regulating mechanisms of rapid-firing weapons

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Sens. Angus King (I-Maine) and Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.) introduced a bill Thursday to regulate firearms by outlawing weapons with a magazine capacity over 10 rounds, among other measures aimed at increasing gun control.

The Gas-Operated Semi-Automatic Firearms Exclusion Act (GOSAFE) comes a month after a gunman killed 18 people in a mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine, not far from where King lives...

The bill, which Heinrich began drafting in 2017, his office said, is cosponsored by Sens. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.) and Michael Bennet (D-Colo.).

Specifically, the GOSAFE Act targets firearms mechanisms, instead of implementing restrictions based on how firearms look. It places a ban on magazines larger than 10 rounds, bans modifications like bump stocks and bans the manufacture of ghost gun kits - build-at-home firearms without serial numbers...

It would also create a voluntary gun buy-back program to remove violating firearms from circulation...
The bill is linked to on Senator Heinrich's website, along with a chart explaining how things would work. The actual bill can be found... Here. The chart...



Naturally... NSSF REBUKES SENS. KING AND HEINRICH MSR BAN BILL

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..."The legislation introduced by Senators King and Heinrich is openly defiant of the rights protected by the U.S. Constitution. There is no path forward for legislation of this nature that would deprive law-abiding citizens the ability to lawfully possess the firearm of their choosing and the full spectrum of their Second Amendment rights," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF Senior Vice President and General Counsel. "This legislation is a knee-jerk reaction to a travesty for which the American public is still demanding answers as to why the Lewiston murderer, who clearly showed signs of mental instability and professed to violent threats, was allowed by state and federal agencies to continue to possess firearms. Depriving law-abiding citizens of their Constitutional rights for the criminal acts of a depraved individual doesn't make our communities safer."...
Anyone want to start a pool about whether it will pass the Senate, then how many RINO's will side with Democrats in the House?
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Speaker of the House Mike Johnson would never bring gun ban legislation up for a vote, so my (strongly confident) prediction is that this bill will not pass the 118th Congress.

As for the Senate, I do not think that 9 Republicans would cross the political aisle to join all 51 Democrats to override an inevitable filibuster, but I do not have as much confidence as I do in the House of Representatives.
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All those dumb normie memes about ?This is a Mini-14/This is an AR-15? had a use after all.

They said it themselves they are going to keep trying because one day the time will be right and they face no personal repercussions for this behavior.

It?s habbening.

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Recoil operated handguns are a subset of gas operated weapons?
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yes since the recoil is generated by the action of expanding gas.
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Maybe the feds can arrange it so I can turn in my gas gun and gas truck for an electric rifle and bullet proof electric Cybertruck.

My only concerns are the need to have a really long extension cord and fact that the feds are trying to crash the national electrical grid...

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Gotta love the names they give these "acts".

Always the opposite of what they are.
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The most sinister part of this bill is the voluntary buyback scheme. Everyone with more than two brain cells and an adequate knowledge of gun rights history should understand that, as having occurred in the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, and more, the confiscation regime will become mandatory within a few years of its enactment.
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yes since the recoil is generated by the action of expanding gas.
Obviously, but in my experience, ?gas operated? refers to a design where gas from the cartridge ignition is tapped off from some point along the barrel and redirected to actuate some function of the operational cycle. I?ve never seen traditional semiautomatic handgun designs referred to as ?gas operated?. Just seems atypical to me.
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Well yes, but as we've seen many times in the government, they do love to redefine things as they see fit.
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Obviously, but in my experience, "gas operated" refers to a design where gas from the cartridge ignition is tapped off from some point along the barrel and redirected to actuate some function of the operational cycle. I've never seen traditional semiautomatic handgun designs referred to as "gas operated". Just seems atypical to me.
Legal definitions need not match technical or colloquial meanings. See everything from "machinegun" (one word) to marriage.
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yes since the recoil is generated by the action of expanding gas.
yeah, there's a lot of 'expanding gas' in this proposal/rhetoric, and it has nothing to do with firearm mechanics.

I'm disappointed that a Navy veteran and merchant marine academy grad and a former astronaut is so disdainful of the United States constitution.

I'm accepting of the fact that many dem's don't really care about the constitution or the original vision of the founding fathers and the 'great American experiment', but still feel let down (probably shouldn't) when a person with a patriot background has sold out to the leftist socialist one world-order.
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yeah, there's a lot of 'expanding gas' in this proposal/rhetoric, and it has nothing to do with firearm mechanics.

I'm disappointed that a Navy veteran and merchant marine academy grad and a former astronaut is so disdainful of the United States constitution.

I'm accepting of the fact that many dem's don't really care about the constitution or the original vision of the founding fathers and the 'great American experiment', but still feel let down (probably shouldn't) when a person with a patriot background has sold out to the leftist socialist one world-order.
Senator Mark Kelly has been married to Gabby Giffords since 2007! He represents the gun control lobby more than anyone else in the United States Senate.
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Everytown for Gun Safety Applauds Introduction of the GOSAFE Act

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..."As weapons of war have become commonplace in America, so has the unfathomable carnage they wreak on our communities," said John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety. "We applaud Senator Heinrich for introducing innovative legislation that would regulate assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, which are capable of creating devastating destruction in an instant. We urge Senator Heinrich's colleagues to pass this bill before yet another community is forever scarred by someone filled with hate and armed with an AR-15."...
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NRA slams Democrat-led bill that would restrict magazine capacity: 'Blatantly violates' US Constitution

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..."This legislation blatantly violates the U.S. Constitution and U.S. Supreme Court rulings by banning the very types of firearms and magazines most often utilized by Americans for defending themselves and their families," Randy Kozuch, executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, told Fox News Digital in a statement.

"This bill unjustly and improperly places the full burden of the law on law-abiding residents, while doing nothing to take guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals. The NRA opposes this legislation and will fight to protect the constitutional freedoms of all law-abiding Americans," he said...
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Both the statements issued by Everytown for Gun Safety and the National Rifle Association could apply to literally every gun control bill. The Second Amendment community forever lives through a Groundhog Day situation.
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Senate approved the original 10 year "assault" rifle ban by a big majority. Several GOP yea'd

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The slim majority in the House? Only 51% needed

Which GOP would vote for it in the Senate? Could it come up before Romney is out?

Although the weird flowchart may turnoff some lawmakers.

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Senate approved the original 10 year "assault" rifle ban by a big majority. Several GOP yea'd

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The slim majority in the House? Only 51% needed

Which GOP would vote for it in the Senate? Could it come up before Romney is out?
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson will not even bring the bill up for a vote.
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Conservatives should introduce the GO F*CK YOURSELF Act telling them to stay out of our lives.
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Johnson is a practicing bipartisan Speaker.

The traditional compromise, concession method to get stuff passed.

So who knows....
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Using bipartisanship to prevent the government from shutting down is not the same as passing gun bans. With the threat of another Kevin McCarthy-style defenestration looming, I think Speaker Mike Johnson will hold the line.
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WHAT: Press Conference on GOSAFE Act
WHEN: Tuesday, December 5, 2023, at 12 p.m. ET/10 a.m. MT
WHERE: U.S. Capitol, Room S-115
CONFIRMED SPEAKERS:
U.S. Senator Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.)
U.S. Senator Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.)
U.S. Senator Michael Bennet (D-Colo)
Miranda Viscoli, Co-President of New Mexicans to Prevent Gun Violence
Angela Ferrell-Zabala, Executive Director, Moms Demand Action
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ConcealedCarry.com has a decent overview of the legislation from the other day...

Unmasking the GOSAFE Act: A Dangerous Overreach

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...While the intention behind the GOSAFE Act may stem from a desire to protect, its execution and implications are deeply troubling. Let us not be swayed by reactionary measures that offer false promises of safety at the expense of our liberties. Instead, let's advocate for more thoughtful, comprehensive approaches to violence that respect our constitutional rights and address the real issues at the heart of this complex problem. The time to act is now - let's ensure our voices are heard loud and clear.
I think he's cutting them too much 'credit' in terms of their intent and is potentially more correct when he states it's... "a backdoor "Assault Weapons" Ban, the GOSAFE Act undermines the Second Amendment rights that are foundational to the American ethos of freedom and self-reliance." I say 'more correct' in that it's not a 'back door' attempt. It's an overt ban on semi-automatic firearms and, specifically, anything they deem to be a so-called 'assault weapon.'
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I think he's cutting them too much 'credit' in terms of their intent and is potentially more correct when he states it's... "a backdoor "Assault Weapons" Ban, the GOSAFE Act undermines the Second Amendment rights that are foundational to the American ethos of freedom and self-reliance." I say 'more correct' in that it's not a 'back door' attempt. It's an overt ban on semi-automatic firearms and, specifically, anything they deem to be a so-called 'assault weapon.'
Indeed, considering the GOSAFE Act encompasses far more than any state assault weapons ban, calling the bill a "backdoor" qualifies as a ludicrous inversion. The legislation constitutes nothing short of a "Super" Federal Assault Weapons Ban.
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The people of Arizona need to wake up they have practically elected the number one spokesman for the GIFFORDS FOUNDATION. They need to realize their mistake and vote Senator Mark Kelly out of office.
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Every firearm handgun and rifle will be banned that uses recirculated gas to expell the spent cartridge and chambers a new round will be banned. Hopefully a senator will see through this Bill and kill it before it hits the floor to be voted on.
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The people of Arizona need to wake up they have practically elected the number one spokesman for the GIFFORDS FOUNDATION. They need to realize their mistake and vote Senator Mark Kelly out of office.
Mark Kelly duped the swing voters of Arizona with his fake moderate "friendly astronaut" persona.
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Every firearm handgun and rifle will be banned that uses recirculated gas to expell the spent cartridge and chambers a new round will be banned. Hopefully a senator will see through this Bill and kill it before it hits the floor to be voted on.

Read further. After the Gas Operated part, it covers Recoil Operated firearms, too.
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[QUOTE=AlmostHeaven;28263222]Mark Kelly duped the swing voters of Arizona with his fake moderate "friendly astronaut"
I remember watching that speech on a hotel television set on one of my many trips over, while visiting friends in Arizona. And thought this was the one man that was going to end gun control. What I thought and saw had to be the same deception that all conservative voters saw.
But now all of his camouflage has been removed revealing the deadly snake that he is. I am pretty sure that Arizonians will relocate him to somewhere other than a government office so that he will not be able to cause any more harm. His career will more than likely be a very short one. My friends in Arizona have already begun a recall campaign to remove Mark Kelly from office.
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Mark Kelly duped the swing voters of Arizona with his fake moderate "friendly astronaut" persona.
I remember watching that speech on a hotel television set on one of my many trips over, while visiting friends in Arizona. And thought this was the one man that was going to end gun control. What I thought and saw had to be the same deception that all conservative voters saw.
But now all of his camouflage has been removed revealing the deadly snake that he is. I am pretty sure that Arizonians will relocate him to somewhere other than a government office so that he will not be able to cause any more harm. His career will more than likely be a very short one. My friends in Arizona have already begun a recall campaign to remove Mark Kelly from office.
Recall campaigns are tough. Better luck getting a Republican elected next year to succeed Senator Krysten Sinema.
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Cannot impeach or recall a sitting Member of Congress it takes 2 thirds vote to remove a person from Congress. My friends are contacting their local representatives to call for a vote of action to bring to a floor vote to have Mark Kelly removed from Congress for acts of Treason. I find this laughable but if it works or strikes fear into some of the other representatives. If it even gets that far as I said laughable.
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He's the sin verguenza joto that tried to buy a used AR while attempting to ban them.
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Leftist politicians never mean to include themselves or their guards when espousing disarmament.
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Nawwww... They're just being straightforward and honest.

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According to sources close to the incident, the arrest triggered an avalanche of phone calls from Kennedy and his staff to officials throughout the city. D.C. Police Chief Maurice Turner, contacted by the U.S. attorney's office, confirmed that D.C. law required that the weapons be held as evidence and eventually destroyed.

Stein, meanwhile, was detained and charged with one count of carrying a pistol without a license, two counts of possession of unregistered firearms and one count of possession of unregistered ammunition. In addition to the pistol, Stein was carrying two semiautomatic weapons, an Israeli-made Uzi and an Italian-made Beretta.

It was not known why Stein did not simply keep the guns in the car.

"You'll have to ask Chuck that," said Mann. "This was an unfortunate incident that occurred with very good intentions on the part of Mr. Stein and the part of the police. He was just trying to be up front by telling the guard about the guns."

Stein is licensed to carry the weapons in California but not in the District....
Of course, we knew at the time it was just cosplay (the term being coined in 1984) as Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome came out in July of 1985...

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No doubt exists in my mind that the threat of primary challenges from the right keeps many otherwise weak Republicans in line. I think the Senate filibuster and House of Representatives majority will both hold the line on this tyrannical legislation.
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