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Old 08-13-2019, 1:55 PM
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It seems like the Democrats are totally consumed with starting a civil war!

They put the Supreme Court on notice, "A handful of Democrat senators – those who sit in judgment on nominees for the U.S. Supreme Court – are threatening the existing justices in the hope they will make decisions more to their liking – or face the possibility that the court will be “restructured.”

Who the hell do these Democrats think they are? Forcibly restructuring the Supreme Court is SURE to ignite civil unrest on some level!

https://www.wnd.com/2019/08/democrat...aten-supremes/
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Automatic reaction from the SCOTUS -
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There are 3 branches to our gov. Congress is only one.
President is 2nd. Justice is 3rd.

One branch does not tell the other what to do.
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Even the liberal justices have to be annoyed that the senators are not respecting the separation of powers. The liberal justices might want the same rulings as the liberal senators, but to threaten to micromanage the USSC to achieve that invades the justices’ kingdom.
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How in the Hell do these people believe they are above the Law.

This could be Sedition.
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It seems like the Democrats are totally consumed with starting a civil war! They put the Supreme Court on notice, "you play like we want you too or we're gonna' fix it for you!" Who the hell do these Democrats think they are? Forcibly restructuring the Supreme Court is SURE to ignite civil unrest on some level!

https://www.wnd.com/2019/08/democrat...aten-supremes/
I read the whole article, but I did not see the language you quoted above.
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I read the whole article, but I did not see the language you quoted above.
Read their amicus, the very end. It is exactly that.
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It would seem that the liberals were happy when Ginsberg intimidated the court and they got their way. Now decisions are swinging the other way and may for a long time and they may become desperate enough to try and start civil disobedience to intimidate the rest of the public.
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This is the mental state you get into when you run the House and Senate for forty years straight. Everything must go your way or it's the end of the world.
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The Senators expressly argued the Court "is not well and the people know it." They also said the Court needed to "heal itself." Under our system of justice the Senators essentially admitted that the position advanced by gun-grabber is inconsistent with standing law and settled-precedent. The real question is how the liberal judges react in response to a bold admission by proponents of the law that the law is unconstitutional.
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It seems like the Democrats are totally consumed with starting a civil war! They put the Supreme Court on notice, "you play like we want you too or we're gonna' fix it for you!" Who the hell do these Democrats think they are? Forcibly restructuring the Supreme Court is SURE to ignite civil unrest on some level!

https://www.wnd.com/2019/08/democrat...aten-supremes/
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I read the whole article, but I did not see the language you quoted above.
Bobby, reread the opening sentence of the article.

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A handful of Democrat senators – those who sit in judgment on nominees for the U.S. Supreme Court – are threatening the existing justices in the hope they will make decisions more to their liking – or face the possibility that the court will be “restructured.”


Waldog's paraphrase isn't a direct quote of the article. But it is contextually accurate.
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OK guys,

I'm jumping ship.

Changing my affiliation to Democrat.

At least democrats FIGHT for what they believe in.

Republicans / conservatives have no spines.
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I paraphrased the following in my original post. I corrected my post. I do believe my paraphrase was conceptually accurate. But, for those opposed to a paraphrase, here is the opening line of the article:

"A handful of Democrat senators – those who sit in judgment on nominees for the U.S. Supreme Court – are threatening the existing justices in the hope they will make decisions more to their liking – or face the possibility that the court will be “restructured.”
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OK guys,

I'm jumping ship.

Changing my affiliation to Democrat.

At least democrats FIGHT for what they believe in.

Republicans / conservatives have no spines.
See President Trumps twitter responses -- nearly every day !Fact is we are winning and America is winning.
Mitch goes about protecting liberty quietly and w/o fanfare but he gets the job done!

Its only fair to remind everyone that the entire DOJ and court system is corrupt . That is where these pathetic elected senators get their real power!
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I recall 0bola in a SOTU criticized SCOTUS judges while they were present
over the Citizens United ruling. Justice Alito simply shook his head, the
media attacked him! Separation of powers is an obstacle to totalitarians.
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I'm jumping ship.

Changing my affiliation to Democrat.

At least democrats FIGHT for what they believe in.

Republicans / conservatives have no spines.
Cool! Enjoy fascism!
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Bobby, reread the opening sentence of the article.



Waldog's paraphrase isn't a direct quote of the article. But it is contextually accurate.
Yes, thank you. I did observe the paraphrasing by the OP. I think it is better to lay out the article in its own words rather than adding hyperbole in the form of a phantom non-existent quote. The content of the article is appalling enough without giving the opposition a righteous claim to being misrepresented.
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Guess they don't quite get that whole checks and balances on power the founding fathers weaved into our form of government. But they hate the 2nd amendment of course which is one of the greatest checks and balances.
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They know its a losing issue for them.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...asons-n2551633
According to the group, the Supreme Court should not take up this case because the plaintiffs – gun rights advocates – are looking to "thwart gun safety legislation" and have the desire to "expand the Second Amendment." The other argument they make: the Second Amendment and gun control is a political issue and the Supreme Court is supposed to be impartial, not a legislative body.

Translation: gun control proponents have realized this is a lost cause and, if the Supreme Court decided in the case, this could expand gun rights, not restrict them. This case could and would, more than likely, build upon both Heller and McDonald, which protects a person's right to own a firearm in their home for self-protection.

I am really surprised more senators from places no one sane person wants to visit haven't chimed in.
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Seems to me that they are bringing political pressure to bear on the court because the court is too political. Hypocrites.
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They would have to control House, Senate, and Presidency to restructure anything. The Senate they would need 60 votes or to use the nuclear option. If nuclear option was used to restructure the court it would be the end of the filibuster, and would come back to haunt them. They would need a lot of seats for even a simple majority. Without the Oval office they need 2/3 majority in both houses, even more seats they would have to win. It's a foolish statement by a bunch of sore losers.

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The Supreme Court is not well. And the people
know it. Perhaps the Court can heal itself before the
public demands it be “restructured in order to reduce
the influence of politics.” Particularly on the urgent
issue of gun control, a nation desperately needs it to
heal.
CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, the Court should
vacate and remand with instructions to dismiss.
Respectfully submitted,
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Ha! "Respectfully ..."

It seems unwise to me to write a brief detailing how the court is essentially corrupt, threaten to change the structure of the court, and then hope they decide to change their minds and moot the case, per your desire.

This is like finding the biggest guy in the bar, poking him in the eye, calling him names, and then "politely" asking that he not kick your @$$ six ways from Sunday.
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Frankly, SCOTUS brought this mess on themselves after 200+ years of basically ignoring the 2A and issuing very limited narrow decisions on the few cases they did take. Time for a strong sweeping decision. A nice rebuke to congress regarding their oath of office would be welcome.
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Marco Rubio made a play back in March to 'protect' SCOTUS and the number of Justices. The problem is, with Democrats controlling the House, there's no chance it will pass.

It's been said, by several parties, that packing the Court would, in essence, remove the Checks and Balances created by the Judiciary...

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But, therein lies the danger that no one seems ready to face or, at least, openly talk about. As we see with other proposals being made by 2020 Democrat Presidential hopefuls and as we see in the rhetoric being foisted on the public by Liberals, the Democrat Party seems to desire nothing short of what Obama declared to be a fundamental transformation of the United States.

The worrisome part is that Democrats no longer seem to be constrained by a fear of "openly" declaring their intentions on gun control, open borders, packing SCOTUS for political/policy ends (something Roberts has declared to be antithetical to his vision of the Court's role), nuclear options, eliminating law enforcement (ICE, Homeland Security), et al. If they no longer feel a need to obscure the fact that they wish to, in essence, change the structure of the United States, one is forced to wonder if they perceive a sufficient change in the demographics which will allow them to pursue such alterations. If that were to prove to be the case, and I'm fairly confident we haven't quite reached that point... yet... we're in real trouble.

Remember, Adams declared, in 1798 - "...Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other..

We now have a feckless, implacable, and nefarious enemy which is utilizing parsed powers of the System (including the Constitution) to bring about its destruction. It is often said that the Constitution is not a 'suicide pact.' Yet, that is precisely how it appears they are utilizing it. Remember, this whole, Great Experiment only works if We the People believe in it and endeavor to make it work. Undermine that belief and what is the incentive to make it work?

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Marco Rubio made a play back in March to 'protect' SCOTUS and the number of Justices. The problem is, with Democrats controlling the House, there's no chance it will pass.

It's been said, by several parties, that packing the Court would, in essence, remove the Checks and Balances created by the Judiciary...



But, therein lies the danger that no one seems ready to face or, at least, openly talk about. As we see with other proposals being made by 2020 Democrat Presidential hopefuls and as we see in the rhetoric being foisted on the public by Liberals, the Democrat Party seems to desire nothing short of what Obama declared to be a fundamental transformation of the United States.

The worrisome part is that Democrats no longer seem to be constrained by a fear of "openly" declaring their intentions on gun control, open borders, packing SCOTUS for political/policy ends (something Roberts has declared to be antithetical to his vision of the Court's role), nuclear options, eliminating law enforcement (ICE, Homeland Security), et al. If they no longer feel a need to obscure the fact that they wish to, in essence, change the structure of the United States, one is forced to wonder if they perceive a sufficient change in the demographics which will allow them to pursue such alterations. If that were to prove to be the case, and I'm fairly confident we haven't quite reached that point... yet... we're in real trouble.

Remember, Adams declared, in 1798 - "...Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other..

We now have a feckless, implacable, and nefarious enemy which is utilizing parsed powers of the System (including the Constitution) to bring about its destruction. It is often said that the Constitution is not a 'suicide pact.' Yet, that is precisely how it appears they are utilizing it. Remember, this whole, Great Experiment only works if We the People believe in it and endeavor to make it work. Undermine that belief and what is the incentive to make it work?
You realize they know it's only a matter of a couple elections. Look at how many long term republicans were replaced by wacko leftist women that's only job has been a bartender or a migrant college student. The entire reason for wanting open boarders is to change the middle of the country. Look at how Nevada, arizona, and Texas has started to change.



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All talk, no action. This is congress in 2019. I'm glad they are dysfunctional. That way they can't pick my pocket or steal my freedom.
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You realize they know it's only a matter of a couple elections. Look at how many long term republicans were replaced by wacko leftist women that's only job has been a bartender or a migrant college student. The entire reason for wanting open boarders is to change the middle of the country. Look at how Nevada, arizona, and Texas has started to change.



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GOP controls 53 seats in the Senate. In 2020 GOP will win back Alabama. The only seats in jeopardy on the GOP side is Arizona, Colorado, and Maine. Collins might as well be a Dem. Worse case scenario GOP controls 51 after next election.

Democrats have tight races to defend in Michigan, Minnesota, NH, and Virginia. There is a possibility GOP could win 3 out of those 4. Add that to Alabama win, and assume they hold the other Seats and it could be a +4 in 2021 or 57 Seats.

However if worse case scenario does happen in 2020 and GOP loses the 3 tight races, and ends up -2 in 2021 we would be in trouble. In 2022 we could easily lose control of the Senate.

Bottomline is all elections are important but 2020 is just as important as 2016. We need to open up lead in the Senate to have some cushion in 2022. We need to retain the Presidency just in case we do lose the Senate in 2022 election, and more importantly we need the GOP to select RBG and Breyer's replacements and possibly think ahead and replace Thomas so a Dem does not.


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All talk, no action. This is congress in 2019. I'm glad they are dysfunctional. That way they can't pick my pocket or steal my freedom.
That's the real problem. The court is only seen as political because congress can't or won't do its job. It doesn't deal with the difficult issues so we all expect the court to do it for them and that puts the court into a position being perceived as political. Not to mention the politicians who are only too happy do pass unconstitutional laws...oh, sorry, common sense safety legislation ...and not caring about their oath of office.
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See President Trumps twitter responses -- nearly every day !Fact is we are winning and America is winning.
Mitch goes about protecting liberty quietly and w/o fanfare but he gets the job done!

Its only fair to remind everyone that the entire DOJ and court system is corrupt . That is where these pathetic elected senators get their real power!

Yeah, POTUS is pretty much the only "Republican" with any balls or spine.

Virtually all the rest of 'em seem to be on the same side as dems any more...
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Senate Democrats claim SCOTUS is too political, so their fix is to threaten SCOTUS with ... making it more political. They claim plaintiffs are all funded by ‘dark money’ contributions (I guess they are still butt-hurt over Citizens United). And they claim that any challenge to ‘reasonable’ and ‘common sense’ gun regulations is just more evidence of more dark money influence trying to accomplish the politicalization of the Supreme Court. These are NOT stupid people. They know very well the risk that NYSRPA has the potential to extend Heller to outside the home, and establish a well defined level of scrutiny for ‘core’ 2nd Amendment rights. And they know that if such a court opinion were to result, it would be decades of effort to undo, if ever. So they are hoping that the Justices are stupid and open to influence (especially Roberts). The are hoping the American public is stupid. They are going to paint the sky bright with the coming Armageddon if SCOTUS dares to decide that the right to self defense extends outside the home.

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Yes, thank you. I did observe the paraphrasing by the OP. I think it is better to lay out the article in its own words rather than adding hyperbole in the form of a phantom non-existent quote. The content of the article is appalling enough without giving the opposition a righteous claim to being misrepresented.
There is no hyperbole. Nothing was misrepresented.
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Old 08-15-2019, 9:27 AM
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Yeah, POTUS is pretty much the only "Republican" with any balls or spine.

Virtually all the rest of 'em seem to be on the same side as dems any more...
Sometimes elected GOP members must be careful in not alienating too many sheep voters.
I recall losing Alan West and the guy who got replaced by Adam Schiff. Both West and the other republican were outspoken conservatives.

Trump on the other hand is the top of the food chain and does hit back! he is beyond the swamp media ruining his career.
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Wall Street Journal: Senators File an Enemy-of-the-Court Brief

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"We trust the Justices understand that if they now drop the gun case, they will appear to be bending under this assault." -- WSJ

Those five Fredos just guaranteed SCOTUS will take the case.
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