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View Poll Results: What are your feelings about Front Sight? | |||
Great Training for Beginners Only. | 88 | 8.33% | |
Great Training Beginner and Advanced. | 696 | 65.85% | |
The Quality of Training is Going Down Hill. | 24 | 2.27% | |
I paid too much for my Membership! | 47 | 4.45% | |
They will go out of business this year! | 31 | 2.93% | |
Don't want anything to do with them! | 171 | 16.18% | |
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Maybe some Ramen or Udon for the cold days. |
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Maybe do something like:
Sig Sauer Spagetti Mossberg Meatloaf FN French Fries Remington Ravioli M&P Mac & Cheese Benelli BBQ Ruger Roast Chicken Springfield Salad Beretta Burger Browning Backed Beans Glock Grilled Cheese |
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one of the keys to a fast draw is to make sure you are indexed the same every time. Your arms should be starting from the same place. See if you can find some index point on your arm where it is touching the butt of the gun or belt. Same for your support arm. Also, rather than having your support hand flat and slapping your body, try to slightly cup your hand so it naturally fits into the grip as the hands come together. Also, have your support hand hit higher on your body so when the hands come together you don't have to raise them that much. Finally, you should be looking at a specific point on the target so when the gun comes up and you start to see your sights they will already be in alignment. As soon as the sights meet your eyes you can press the shot. These are all little things and only worth about a 10th of a second each, but they add up.
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our Instructors/RMs for the 4DDHG class were: A. Dury (all 4 days) G. Brooks (all 4 days) B. Crisafulli (1st and 2nd day only) P. McNulty (1st and 2nd day only) N. Tillotson (sp?) (3rd and 4th day only) J. Jackson (3rd and 4th day only) my dropped shots on the designated headshot were all my fault. in the previous 3 days i was pretty consistently hitting the ocular cavity (maybe 80-90% landing within the box), but, for some reason, i was pulling it low on the test. i was easily within the time and i didn't feel rushed at all on my draw. throughout the class i was pretty consistently within the time limit for the type III malfunctions--usually hovering around 4.5-5 seconds without pushing it too hard. this was the thing i probably practiced the most before the trip using the Dry Practice iPhone app and setting the par time to around 5 seconds or less. J. Jackson was the person grading me for the skills test and she seemed like she was really by-the-book. in the end, i know it isn't her fault and i am really the only one to blame. Last edited by TooFewPews; 04-29-2019 at 7:12 PM.. |
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Front Sight my first day...
You may recall there was some discussion as to whether or not my CZ Shadow 2 would pass inspection. The inspector removed it from my holster did a press check to make sure no round in the chamber said nice gun and put it back in my holster and that was it. We probably didn't get as much shooting in as most first day classes due to rain thunderstorms and lightning. Every time they heard thunder they made us go inside we did that three or four times. And it was cold, we are supposed to have better weather tomorrow hopefully. As everyone has mentioned the instructors are awesome actually everyone there is pretty awesome. Looking forward to tomorrow... |
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Beanz2 - you can now bring your S2!?! Quote:
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It happens... Even top shooters like Larry Vickers showed signs of "El Snatcho" by their second day of shooting, ie., trigger control is a very perishable skill. Especially under stress, fatigue, repetition, etc.
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Once I was in the armorer’s shop and in walked a guy with an AR that an inspector just failed also for a light trigger. He said “Hey, you guys last time adjusted it” and “the adjustment must have slipped”. The armorer took in to the back and in less than 10 seconds brought it back and charged the guy $10 for “adjustments”. Really? What is adjustable in an AR trigger? I’m pretty good at swapping AR triggers, but I don’t think I can put a different spring in less than 10 seconds in a fully assembled AR. They also failed my wife’s SP-01 Shadow (of course it had a light trigger, it’s Cajunized LOL). I was in a rifle class so she let the instructor took it to the armorer, who said the trigger can’t be made heavier and he had already wrote down her serial number so she can’t ever be found in a FS class with that gun. Really? Well, do they think we only have one gun? I have been taking it. They get to inspect my box stock bedside gun, that’s all .
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I’m really considering getting a private membership so I take the skills test without having to go through all of the class days again. |
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I do have 12 BUT I am saving them for the timeshare final payments. When the timeshares are done, you can trade them in for final payments. That make them worth $1590.00 each. So they are probably way to expensive for someone to purchase from me, unless the want to pay me $1590.00. I have a few private training certificates left, these are one time use only. 1+1 is $200, and 1+4 is $300 each. It's harder to find FS stuff now as a lot of FS accounts were traded-changed into CO-OP points. Wife and I did it, but I put some items aside in each of our accounts before the trade in case someone here needed certificates or COMMANDER memberships. Also put some gun rentals, hotel, and 2-4 training certificates aside, and donated a bunch to my local police department.
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I tried to use a RMR configuration but couldn't deal with the dot moving - unlike Iron Sights, the red dot always has a little chatter; at least for me it did... |
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That's interesting. With my setup I found the surpresor sights were slightly high and lining up the red dot on the tip of the fro t post caused my shots to be high as well...
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Eh, CZ fanboism showing? That said, we're having a menu rolling... Quote:
There are reasons why RMR and DPP are priced as such... I was able to get a DPP 2.5MOA last month for $325 all inclusive. Quote:
I zero at 25-yards, and it is quite POA=POI at most distances throughout using 115GR factory ammo. The bigger lens of the DPP provides a wider field of view. Almost ZERO transition issues from iron sights (and coming from a Glock platform). Quote:
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I have nothing against red dots, just curious if those concerns have crossed your mind. |
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Like any tool or device, things can and do break. I try to practice my skills on similar platforms both with and without optics.....and to be completely honest with you it's a lot of fun to try to learn and master different things.
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except for the "procedural error" of not putting the finger on the trigger at the conclusion of the Type I, II, and III (the Instructor/RM docked points from both of us for that same "procedural error"), we ended up with similar scores for the shooting portion. i think she was just 1 or 2 shots down from me (-3 or -6) on the shooting portion of the test, but she was pretty consistently and timely landing all shots within the OC and TC during days 1, 2, and 3. it's been 5 days since we left FS and she is still complaining about her hands being sore and swollen from shooting in both relays. i know that, if she and i were shooting the test fresh, then we would probably DG. i agree that the Romeo 1 is kind of garbage, but it was one of the few pistols available from the factory with a red dot at the time i bought it. we usually zero our pistol red dots at 25 yards (non-cowitness zero), but we switched to a 7 meter zero based on the typical FS shooting distances. both the VP9 tactical and my Sig P320 RX came from the factory with suppressor height night sights. Last edited by TooFewPews; 04-30-2019 at 11:15 AM.. |
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Awesome, thanks. For sure it is fun learning different things. I wish the red dot would have worked out for me but unfortunately I'm sticking with iron sights...
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I have always trained in iron sights, and only transitioned to Carry Optics a few weeks back. And this was with a pistol with ergonomics, etc. that I am completely unfamiliar with (Walther VS Glock). My initial concern was, like everyone said, finding the dot. However, and fortunately for me, there wasn't much of a transition. I never had any problem finding the dot. When I presented the pistol, the dot was just right there...! As in I don't need to align my sights, it's already aligned and all I need to do is verify that alignment. Hhhhmmm... How could I explain this... All I could say is that maybe my training with iron sights was a huge factor to me quickly adjusting to carry optics, such, this becomes something I need not worry about. There isn't anything really different, at least for me, between the two. Such, even if I have a carry optic pistol - my training routine will still be with iron sights. I actually started a separate thread of me first getting the Q5, then, everyone else suggesting that I should get into carry optics. So, when I got the DPP and having zeroed it at 25-yards, I immediately (as in no dry practice, no getting used to the new gear, etc.) took it to a match with surprising results: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...9&postcount=38 Cheers, _ Last edited by rodralig; 05-01-2019 at 7:08 AM.. |
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I saw some complaints in the last few pages about things like 'modified weaver', trigger trapping and low ready. Please understand that these sorts of thing are invaluable for getting a new shooter up to speed quickly and successfully; but most importantly safely. All of these things go out the window beyond the basic courses. Similarly, none of them matter in the basic courses for experienced shooters within some respectful guidelines. For the most part they are simply the starting point for later classes. I dry practice the HCM test about a dozen times a week - I reflexively go into a Sul-style after action drill without thinking about it. That's the only thing I can think of that is prohibited in the basic courses. |
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I'm headed there in three weeks for the Handgun Skillbuilder. As mentioned in the previous post, I've heard the Pro Shop is hurtin' for certain.
I'll be staying at the Saddle West Hotel. Can't beat their powdered egg and SOS breakfast. LOL. For those who haven't been, the Maverick gas station on the right as you leave town has a pretty decent cup of coffee in the morning. I'll be ramping up my dry practice the next day or two. If anybody else is going, give me a shout.
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Just curious as to what was available to purchase. |
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I scanned the Thoracic Cavity into a PDF in case any of you wanted to hang something up on your wall or print it and take it to the range for life fire practice.
make sure that you set your printer to 100% scale. there will be some overlap for the TC, but that was intentional due to the print margins of a lot of printers. use the numbers at the top and bottom to line up the left and right sides. To print the full TC on one piece of paper, make sure that you are using an 11x17" tabloid size paper. TC - for printing on Tabloid (11x17”) paper https://drive.google.com/file/d/18QH...ew?usp=sharing For those of you that are printing on normal 8.5x11" paper, here is the two-piece TC for printing on the standard 8.5x11" paper. TC - Left Side https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nLo...ew?usp=sharing TC - Right Side https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qCU...ew?usp=sharing unless you really want me to, i do not have plans to scan a headbox since it is a standard rectangle. i hope you guys find this helpful. EDIT: I figured that it would be easier if i just uploaded it to Google Drive. use the links to download it from there. Last edited by TooFewPews; 05-02-2019 at 9:58 PM.. |
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I am have been a Front Sight Member since like 2009 with various levels of Membership.
I can't remember all of them but Guardian with Honors, Ambassador, Commander, Heritage and who know what others. It's interesting on the Patronage Points deal - I did the Doubling Conversion First then I did the 10x Conversion. So now I have a zillion points and what will that get me - I am not sure when we get a piece of the property and what the total point score will be with 220,000 Members. I have like 5 of the Villas waiting to be built. So hopefully within the next 18 months or sooner they will be done. Just want to know what level everyone is and how many points they were offered and/or converted. |
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I know what I'm about to say isn't going to be popular, as many here also have zillions of patron points and "assets"... I don't think you're going to get back what you think you will. There are a few historical data points to suggest this. The progression of the utility of credits for example. The member base is now completely saturated with them. A micro-example is the decision to strip the Pro Shop down to where now you can't purchase anything of real value. That was deliberate. No promises broken there, you're still able to use credits at the shop, they just don't stock anything useful you can use them on. When demand (credits) is too high, reduce supply (goods to purchase). If that decision wasn't made, the Pro Shop would be bleeding real dollars VERY quick.
I see no credible way a resort/villas/hotel/whatever can be built while still honestly honoring the zillions of patron points to be used on them. The resort would be filled to capacity with point users and operating at a loss for many years. Unless, the next slight of hand is implemented. I know we don't like to talk about these things as new meat feeds the machine. Just my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. |
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In the example of members having massive amounts of credits/ziggy bucks or whatever you call them, when you had an existing pro shop with merchandise. Then you entice members to increase their credits and after the fact strip the pro shop of desirable merchandise, you can look at it as "not a promise broken" if you choose. It's just a continual con job being supported willfully supported by many here.
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