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Old 05-03-2021, 9:56 PM
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Interestingly enough, I used to dry tumble in walnut or corncob, using Midway's Frankford Arsenal polish, and if the media was old enough and overloaded with polish, I'd get cases with dirty looking crud on them that was hard to remove, plus even worse buildup inside the tumbler bowl.

I guess either method requires the right technique.

I went to wet tumbling. Even with keeping the lid on the tumbler, using dryer cloths, dampening the media and separating the media in a covered bin to keep the dust down there was still a lot of dust that was likely contributing to my elevated lead levels. The lead levels improved after the switch.
Dry tumbling should be exactly that, dry. When you make dry tumbling moist, that's the worst of both methods.
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So, the cartridges will still have some dust/debree left in them, but nothing to worry about. Correct?
Correct.
The remaining dust on the cases acts as a dry lube to keep the brass from galling to the sizing die or the expander button.
Galling is a common problem that wet tumbled cases have if the owners don't add some lube to the inside and outside of the cases before sizing.
Rifle cases need to be lubed anyways, but straight wall pistol cases like 9mm, 40, 45, 38/357 can all be sized in carbide dies without any lube.
The dust from dry tumbling is enough to keep them from galling.
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Many years ago I said "for the worst of cases", I purchased 1,400 military once fired cases. It is needless to say I purchased them on the cheapen, no one wanted the cases. At 1 cent each I did not think I could go wrong.

I threw a few cases into a tumbler and ran them for days and days. They came out clean but at the range I got snarky looks. SO? I went back a bunch of years to another time and a different set of problems. When it came to soaking and cleaning they limited to time to less than 2 minutes 30 seconds. Any more time than 2 minutes 30 seconds they were left with no case.

So I decided if they were cleaning with an acid I could do the same but with less acid. For those that can keep up less acid means more time. I settled on 5% vinegar for 15 minutes maximum. AND THEN! I decided there was an reason/rational for for washing the cases after cleaning in an acid. In the beginning they rinsed the cases 3 times in boiling water.

I decided to reduce the rinse to 2 times in boiling water and then once in clean clear water. After that I tumbled the cases for one hour. I still have some of those cases. When it came to cleaning those cases I reduced the tumbling time by 14 days. But I only went through that much work for the worst of cases.

After that reloaders started developing their own cute way to clean cases. They do not have "the worst of cases".

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Old 05-04-2021, 11:27 AM
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Many years ago I said "for the worst of cases", I purchased 1,400 military once fired cases. It is needless to say I purchased them on the cheapen, no one wanted the cases. At 1 cent each I did not think I could go wrong.

I threw a few cases into a tumbler and ran them for days and days. They came out clean but at the range I got snarky looks. SO? I went back a bunch of years to another time and a different set of problems. When it came to soaking and cleaning they limited to time to less than 2 minutes 30 seconds. Any more time than 2 minutes 30 seconds they were left with no case.

So I decided if they were cleaning with an acid I could do the same but with less acid. For those that can keep up less acid means more time. I settled on 5% vinegar for 15 minutes maximum. AND THEN! I decided there was an reason/rational for for washing the cases after cleaning in an acid. In the beginning they rinsed the cases 3 times in boiling water.

I decided to reduce the rinse to 2 times in boiling water and then once in clean clear water. After that I tumbled the cases for one hour. I still have some of those cases. When it came to cleaning those cases I reduced the tumbling time by 14 days. But I only went through that much work for the worst of cases.

After that reloaders started developing their own cute way to clean cases. They do not have "the worst of cases".

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Old 05-04-2021, 12:03 PM
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Cuda67, forgive, I am going to need a little help, I do not want to be involved in some kind of an insult, I do not know Kengog.

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You aren't related to kendog by any chance?
There's no way....Kendog's postings make sense.
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Cuda67, forgive, I am going to need a little help, I do not want to be involved in some kind of an insult, I do not know Kengog.

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Old 05-07-2021, 6:37 AM
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Cuda67, thank you; I understand most of this stuff from the old days has nothing to do with the modern reloading forum ways of doing things. Before me there were cases being cleaned. Some of them had to be commercial cleaners. They were the ones that used the heavy acid. If they forgot to remove the cases in a timely manner there were no cases to remove. For that reason I believed time was a factor when cleaning cases with an acid. 15 minutes in 5% vinegar was adequate. I did not make it a habit, I only used vinegar once for the life of the case. Again, I had a rule, the vinegar process was for the worst of cases.

The old commercial case cleaners had a reason for using the heavy acid, it did not require a lot of time and they claimed the process pickled the cases. After rinsing the cases in boiling water the cases turned black; after that the cases were like die hard batteries, if you did not mess with them they lasted forever.

I had 2,200 30/06 cases to clean, I considered all 2,200 as the worst of cases. I cleaned the cases in a 6 gallon jug with 3 gallons of vinegar. And then there were the cases I purchased in Buck Horn N,C. Each one had a 30 caliber wasp/dirt dobber tucked away in them. The wife was not happy about that. They all hatched in one day and left in the form of a black cloud when she opened the door.

I still have the old commercial formula but vinegar is so much safer and only takes a few minutes more to clean.

One more time, thank you.

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I can't look at every reply, but I don't think I saw this mentioned yet: If your brass is not tumbling, but rolling on the bottom of the drum instead that will cause that black buildup.
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Are you tumbing with the primers still in the cases. ?
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For those that can keep up less acid means more time.
I don't drop acid when I reload.
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