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Old 11-06-2019, 4:10 PM
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Hi guys, I took my first trip to the Angeles range and loved it! I dont have a gun suitable for the steel targets, best I have is a 10.5 AR. I managed to hit the red plate out at 600 a few times but Id like something a little more suitable.
Im debating picking up a 18-20 upper for the AR, or perhaps an AR10 or bolt gun.
Is .223 plenty for this range or would I have a better time with .308/6.5?

A new upper for the AR is my cheapest entrance in the game but I figured Id ask the pros before I buy anything.
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Old 11-06-2019, 4:19 PM
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AR A2 or flatop is more than capable of doing what you want.In the right hands,it is capable of more!
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Old 11-06-2019, 4:26 PM
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If you wanna be a movie star, you can go to bombay; but it is easier in hollywood.

You can shoot 600 yds with a 223, but 308 is easier.
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Wind is the biggest factor shooting .223 at 600yds. .308 is a bit better but comes at the price of recoil. Bolt guns are easier to shoot for me anything past 300 yards.
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I'm going to the range this weekend to try out the new 22cal Berger 85.5, going to shoot a 3x600 at Sac Valley.Velocity from my Krieger 20" 1:7 is 2740.
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Old 11-06-2019, 6:05 PM
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Can you hear the steel ring with a 308 at 600? Because I couldnt hear anything when I was hitting the targets. Thankfully had a buddy spotting me with my scoped .22
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Can you hear the steel ring with a 308 at 600? Because I couldnt hear anything when I was hitting the targets. Thankfully had a buddy spotting me with my scoped .22
Have not shot steel past 500m in a few years,but a 500m there was either a pop or a ringing sound depending on where the target was hit.
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I would get a 18-20" barrel upper for your AR. Cheaper than buying a precision 308 and the ammo is cheaper so you can shoot more and learn more for less money. Shooting 308 at $1/round is only fun for so long. Buy some electronic ear muffs and you might be able to hear the hits on steel.

Last time I was at Angeles range I shot a 338 Lapua and that you could hear the hits!

Maybe build a MK12 clone if you're into military rifles
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Old 11-06-2019, 8:26 PM
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Have not shot steel past 500m in a few years,but a 500m there was either a pop or a ringing sound depending on where the target was hit.
Probably not, on a normal range with other people shooting.

I agree on the AR upper. My local range has 600 yd steel, and a guy with an AR and a 1-6 Vortex was hitting it regularly.
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Old 11-07-2019, 5:33 AM
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You want easy??

20-24" 6mm Creedmoor get some Hornady match ammo and call it good.

but in reality if you want cheep get a 20" 223 and learn to read wind. Oh a 1-7 twist so you can shoot the FGMM SMK heavies.
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Old 11-07-2019, 8:50 AM
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Thanks guys, Im going to go with the 20 upper. I like the idea of spending more time on the range and improving my skills on cheaper ammo and giving myself more of a challenge
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I like the idea of spending more time on the range and improving my skills on cheaper ammo and giving myself more of a challenge


The big red circle at 600 is a 5moa target so even 3moa blasting ammo should be able to stay on it.
The little yellow plate sitting on top is a 1moa plate for size comparison and was just put there for the photo.
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The big red circle at 600 is a 5moa target so even 3moa blasting ammo should be able to stay on it.
The little yellow plate sitting on top is a 1moa plate for size comparison and was just put there for the photo.
FYI to those that don't shoot F class. 1 MOA is our 10 ring, 1/2 Moa is our X ring. 5 MOA is our 6 Ring. in F class you need to shoot 9 rings to be at the bottom of the pile. I typically shoot a 180 avg or 9 ring or better. I haven't shot my 6XC enough to say my last match scores are my new average. but picking up 12 points just changing caliber feels good.
An F class match is a good way to learn and to learn the wind. I'd personally like this 30" plate set at a mile, that I would consider a challenge.
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Geez, what have they been shooting at that plate? Can't be .50 BMG API because that's not legal in CA. I used to have some SLAP, maybe the ***hole that stole it took it to CA to shoot it.
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I agree on the AR upper. My local range has 600 yd steel, and a guy with an AR and a 1-6 Vortex was hitting it regularly.
Or go 4X power and a sling to make it fun....

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Old 11-07-2019, 6:25 PM
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Geez, what have they been shooting at that plate? Can't be .50 BMG API because that's not legal in CA. I used to have some SLAP, maybe the ***hole that stole it took it to CA to shoot it.
308 will do that all day long to mild steel. That ain’t AR500 and it don’t need to be .50 AP either. 30-06 AP will put a hole in 1” plate.
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Old 11-07-2019, 6:42 PM
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Why such soft steel? It's cheaper than AR500, but it would have to be replaced more often.
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Hi guys, I took my first trip to the Angeles range and loved it! I dont have a gun suitable for the steel targets, best I have is a 10.5 AR. I managed to hit the red plate out at 600 a few times but Id like something a little more suitable.
Im debating picking up a 18-20 upper for the AR, or perhaps an AR10 or bolt gun.
Is .223 plenty for this range or would I have a better time with .308/6.5?

A new upper for the AR is my cheapest entrance in the game but I figured Id ask the pros before I buy anything.
Thanks!
If the only AR lower you have is legally mated to a pistol upper, then DO NOT mate a long-barreled upper to that lower. Get a separate lower and attach any 16-20 upper that you want.
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Why such soft steel? It's cheaper than AR500, but it would have to be replaced more often.
people don't look at long term investment. that and plate A36 can be had at scrap prices so a 10-20-30 cents a pound. AR500 gets pricey 12" disks are $30 locally for me Silhouettes are $90-$150 depending on size.
I've shot AR500 with a 458 Lott 500 grain solid 2270 fps. All it did was dent the plate and knock over the target . I don't mean dimple, I mean bend the plate. but zero surface deformation of the steel. No pock mark, no cratering, no nothing but chipped paint.
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If the only AR lower you have is legally mated to a pistol upper, then DO NOT mate a long-barreled upper to that lower. Get a separate lower and attach any 16-20 upper that you want.
And what makes you think that would be an issue??

It is perfectly legal to convert a pistol to a long gun and back. But it is not legal to convert a long gun to a pistol. The ATF has stated "Once a handgun always a handgun"
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Why such soft steel? It's cheaper than AR500, but it would have to be replaced more often.
That plate has lasted 10+ years.
It's around 1.5 to 2" thick.

Even AR-500 would get worn out by people shooting AP at it even though they are not supposed to.
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And what makes you think that would be an issue??

It is perfectly legal to convert a pistol to a long gun and back. But it is not legal to convert a long gun to a pistol.
The ATF has stated "Once a handgun always a handgun"
The ATF has not stated "once a handgun, always a handgun".
They have stated "once a rifle, always a rifle".
What the "once" is in reference to is what the receiver was FIRST made into.

That's why rifles can not be converted to handguns, but handguns CAN be converted to rifles.
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Once a handgun or once a rifle the meaning is still the same.

https://www.atf.gov/file/55526/download

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