Church security.

[Lumpia is sarap!®]

Hello believers, just had a conversation with my minister about starting a church security.
We have a children?s Bible class and have seen how vulnerable they are; on top of the church facility.

What would be the first couple things to discuss? And how would it look with armed church members? Thanks and God bless.

[socal m1 shooter]

I know, crazy, searching here, but you may find something of use in previous threads.

Church Security - Does your house of worship have a plan for an AS situation?

Concealed Carry Church Security

Church security team

Hope that helps.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Hire a company that specializes in assessing security issues for a church and trains its members for armed security situations. Getting tips and tricks off of a forum is like acquiring surgery instructions off of webMD,

[Lumpia is sarap!®]

Thanks guys! ����

[G-forceJunkie]

Your insurance company.

[BakoJ]

We have a couple of LEO that we asked to come up with a plan and training. We have come up with a multi layered plan that takes into account lethal and non lethal threats. We also address mental health emergencies.

We will be running training scenarios and some defensive technique training, too.

[Garand Hunter]

Pity the fool that goes bat feces with a gun where I go to fellowship ! Lotsa men ready to respond.

Psalm 1

[RandyD]

I attended a church where the security team was comprised of members who attended the church. I knew several of the members but was not on the security team. I know they were friends. They share a common interest in firearms and defending their loved ones. If you survey your church members I believe you will find a number of men who can assemble and provide church security.

[billvau]

Security is a must. I could tell you some crazy, personal stories. A couple of us are concealed weapons holders and I've had some training in church security. We're out in the country and look just like that church in Texas that had a massacre several years ago.

Blessings,

[CSACANNONEER]

"How would it look with armed church members?" Why would you even ask that? Are you thinking about open carry instead of concealed carry? If so, that would make anyone OCing a prime target. Why would anyone want to show their ace in the hole prior to being called?

[RandyD]

Originally Posted by billvau

Security is a must. I could tell you some crazy, personal stories. A couple of us are concealed weapons holders and I've had some training in church security. We're out in the country and look just like that church in Texas that had a massacre several years ago.

Blessings,

I agree security is a must. One thing that I have learned is that a church will attract people who are there to bring down the church, and cause dissension among the members.

[Supersapper]

Originally Posted by Lumpia is sarap!®

Hello believers, just had a conversation with my minister about starting a church security.
We have a children?s Bible class and have seen how vulnerable they are; on top of the church facility.

What would be the first couple things to discuss? And how would it look with armed church members? Thanks and God bless.

First thing, obviously, is to make sure the pastor or priest is good with it. Some, surprisingly, are not.

The next thing is to find people willing to strap and what their feelings are about it. Remember, that typically in a church, there's a greater focus on teaching forgiveness than teaching the fundamentals of armed engagements.

Following that, finding someone knowledgable in the tactical mindset. I'm really sorry, but the average LEO or military does not typically have the training to teach someone how to tactically move and shoot. I say this as a 21 year military veteran. I've seen LEOs and military Soldiers scoring 1-3 peripheral hits out of 20-30 rounds on a static range and somehow calling themselves good.

Find someone capable of discussing how to harden the facility you're in to make it a harder target. Consult work for this, from a knowledgable person, may/may not be pricey. Be ready for that.

Lastly, train train train. I have a group that I teach once per month. They are Jews who have taken it upon themselves to learn to defend their synagogues. The classes I teach them involve things like hardening their facilities, room clearing, buddy move/buddy shoot drills, etc. All this on top of shooting, shooting and a bit more shooting several drills I call "triple nickel" and "ten cubed" drills to hone accuracy.

[Barang]

pastor john hagee got shot 5 times couple of feet away (5 ft.?) years ago. now he have security in the sanctuary. oh! forgot to say it was a miracle that he wasn't hit, not even a single shot.

[19K]

Make sure the volunteer security are actually trained, especially if they are armed. Lot of people have their heart in the right place but lack the skills to properly do the job.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Originally Posted by Barang

pastor john hagee got shot 5 times couple of feet away (5 ft.?) years ago. now he have security in the sanctuary. oh! forgot to say it was a miracle that he wasn't hit, not even a single shot.

First I’m glad he didn’t get hit. But on a side note, to put the word “Pastor” before the name “John Hagee” is a definite oxymoron. He preaches a false gospel. Just say’n.

[FAS1]

I know where I live lots of Churches have plenty of armed parishaners, but only the Mega Churches seem to have an armed security detail. The smaller ones don’t seem to have much of a planned and organized security detail and would benefit greatly by having someone organize those armed Church members.

You can contact Jimmy Graham at Able Shepherd for some tips. That’s what he does since he retired. He worked as a Navy Seal and GRS Officer and has always been a protector. Churches and Schools are his specialty.

https://ableshepherd.com

[Garand Hunter]

TPT, John Hagee does NOT preach a false gospel ! But whatever you think is up to you.

Psalm 1

[PogoJack]

There is a podcast by Paul Markel of Student of the Gun.

legionofmichael.com

[Alan Block]

Originally Posted by TrailerparkTrash

Hire a company that specializes in assessing security issues for a church and trains its members for armed security situations. Getting tips and tricks off of a forum is like acquiring surgery instructions off of webMD,

Here in OC, the sheriffs dept will do assessments at no charge. I had them come out and do this with our safety team. We did a property walk-around and a review of our plan. There is also grant money for hardening your facility (gates, fencing, bollards, cameras and alarms.)

[Alan Block]

Originally Posted by 19K

Make sure the volunteer security are actually trained, especially if they are armed. Lot of people have their heart in the right place but lack the skills to properly do the job.

This is a sticking point for many churches. Most insurance carriers will not approve of amateur armed security no mater how well trained. A church that approves of this kind of arrangement is taking on a serious risk. If you do it without the church approval, the risk falls on you.

[Garand Hunter]

Mr Block, approved or other wise, many church folks these days pack/carry unknown in this current mad dog time. I don't advertise that I carry in church and there are several likewise where I fellowship. BUT...I am in the southeast where its common, and yes I packed every time I visited any church while I was still in Cali. No issues, keep you mouth shut.

[Supersapper]

Originally Posted by Garand Hunter

Mr Block, approved or other wise, many church folks these days pack/carry unknown in this current mad dog time. I don't advertise that I carry in church and there are several likewise where I fellowship. BUT...I am in the southeast where its common, and yes I packed every time I visited any church while I was still in Cali. No issues, keep you mouth shut.

This is the key. If the church does not know you have it, there isn't anything they'll do and furthermore, they are not accountable for it. It's a win all the way around if something should happen.

[colossians323]

Remember this one?

[Kokopelli]

Speaking of security, we just discovered that our tithe box near the main entrance has been getting robbed.

• At an elder's meeting last month, the pastor mentionted that tithing is way down.
  
• Wife and I were balancing our checkbook the other day and discovered three checks to our church totaling over $900 were never cashed.
  
• Spoke with other members on Sunday that have checks to the church that were never cashed.
  
• Spanish pastor's wife had her pocketbook lifted from her purse a few weeks ago after chruch, during a ladies luncheon.

It's pretty bad.

[ZapThyCat]

MXP does a free security workshop, they fly in, provide materials, etc. I found that he had some really, really good tips. Like as far as getting women involved, we (as guys) don't typically think about women being security people, but by virtue of the fact that they are females, they can tell a vibe about some people, and know some things to look for, far before guys might. Anyway, yeah, so MXP also hands out certificates and so on. It's his ministry, it was really, really good.

Check them out.
https://www.facebook.com/mxprotection
https://www.mxpsecurity.com/

[socal m1 shooter]

Source

[TrailerparkTrash]

Originally Posted by Garand Hunter

TPT, John Hagee does NOT preach a false gospel ! But whatever you think is up to you.

Psalm 1

John Hagee believes in and preaches:

-A prosperity gospel
-The false gospel of positive confession
-Salvation without Christian conversion
-The reluctant Messiah

In a nut shell: https://www.equip.org/articles/pastor-john-hagee/

[Garand Hunter]

MR TPT, Positive confession is not a false gospel, and Mr Hagee does NOT teach salvation without Christian conversion. It doesn't matter where you get your info, these things you wrote are not true. But, helpeth thyself. Just a reading of Romans ch 10 first 10 verses helps.

Psalm 1

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[Garand Hunter]

Also what does the subject of church protection have to do with Pastor Hagee in this thread ?

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[PogoJack]

Good church security podcast, deals with mindset as well.


Paul Markel, he has some books as well.


https://redcircle.com/shows/legionofmichael