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Old 11-07-2018, 6:38 PM
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Sure I know a guy and I’am asking for a friend, ok, I was terminated and need to rehab my career. Does anyone know of any, I really mean any, agency in Northern California that would could be an option. I’ve already encountered an agency that cancelled an interview once they realized I’d been terminated from my previous agency. I am aware I have a tough road ahead of me and I’m not disclosing the reason for the termination, however after numerous years invested, I would really like to finish what I started.
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Old 11-07-2018, 7:37 PM
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I honestly have no idea and am not LEO myself but Stanislaus County Sheriff and Modesto PD are hiring from what I hear. Or possibly try probation departments. Good luck.
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Old 11-07-2018, 8:37 PM
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It really depends on the reason for termination. How many years did you have on?
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:18 PM
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17 years. The termination was not due to anything criminal or anything to put me on a Brady list.
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:53 PM
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Why don't you be completely honest here and fess up if you want help?
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:12 AM
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17 years. The termination was not due to anything criminal or anything to put me on a Brady list.
Prison system, Security work. You have 17 years, experience counts for something. Don't spill your guts on here. It is people just being nosy.
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Prison system, Security work. You have 17 years, experience counts for something. Don't spill your guts on here. It is people just being nosy.
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Old 11-08-2018, 6:23 AM
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Old 11-08-2018, 6:41 AM
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Yes, there are. I can tell you in PM about some individuals that I know, especially someone from my academy class that should’ve never been hired, was released from probation (different than your situation), and later picked up by another, smaller department.
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Old 11-08-2018, 7:21 AM
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Why don't you be completely honest here and fess up if you want help?
Why don't you MYOB? He already said he's not disclosing the reason for his termination.
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Old 11-08-2018, 7:22 AM
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I’m in SoCal so I can’t help much. No need to tell any of us what happened. It’s not our business. Obviously, be honest with any new potential agency.
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Old 11-08-2018, 8:00 AM
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marines, army air force, navy
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:36 AM
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He’s likely too old for military service, except maybe Air Force with max age being 39.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:28 AM
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Just apply around and be forthcoming and maybe it'll work out. Plenty of places are hurting for bodies and as long as you weren't terminated for anything too crazy, I'm sure some agency somewhere would prefer to pick up a guy with experience thank a random dude off the street provided they fixed whatever issue they previously had.

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Old 11-08-2018, 11:33 AM
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I would suggest some of the smaller cities who are paying below the surrounding agencies. Something like Galt or Exeter. Most of those small agencies are way down in pay numbers of employed and have a difficult time attracting recruits.

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Not LEO

If you want to keep with the same pension plan, search for every agency in your area in that plan.

Look for an agency where the termination issue should not be such an issue.

Port police who don’t interact with a lot of the public
School police where you have a different role
CSO that allows one to maintain their peace officer status and can write open container and minor tickets. Not LEO but can maintain peace office status.

Non ideal geographical locations
Smaller departments have already been mentioned.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:14 PM
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Why is it any of your business?
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:34 PM
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Not only "what" is important, but "when" as well. An example is a DUI. If it happened a year ago your background investigation may not turn out so good. If it happened 8 to 10 years ago and you disclosed it....probably not a problem. I know you said nothing criminal was involved, but its a good example. Some "mistakes" will not be tolerated and your out of luck. Some mistakes will be forgiven.

The other problem is depending on your retirement you have a certain time period to get back in the system (if that concerns you).

Take a look at correctional positions (state and local) , probation, and smaller or rural type agencies. Looking out of state may help too.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:37 PM
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You're not providing a lot of detail here, but I understand why.

Without knowing much of the specifics, I doubt that you'll be successful with the larger agencies. Having a "Brady Tail" is a killer. If your circumstances did not result in a "Brady Tail" (or a Lautenburg one), you may find things easier, but not by much. California recognizes negligent hiring as a potential tort. Police chiefs and city managers understand what that means and they're not going to take chances.

To win this one, you're going to have to convince the decision-makers that you don't create a liability for them, and you're going to have to show that can bring enough advantage to them. It's a two-edged sword and I'd sharpen both edges.

You may also find some advantage going to a sheriff's department over a police department. A Sheriff can make an independent hiring decision and they understand that we all "step in it" on occasion. A police chief is always subject to review by their city manager, that makes it harder for them to hire tarnished folks.

At the same time, I'd also recommend that you take full advantage of your civil service remedies. I've seen a lot of deputies from my agency do so successfully. Some have moved on to have very successful careers following reinstatement, and some went on to prove the appropriateness of their first firing.
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Old 11-08-2018, 1:31 PM
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I would suggest some of the smaller cities who are paying below the surrounding agencies. Something like Galt or Exeter. Most of those small agencies are way down in pay numbers of employed and have a difficult time attracting recruits.

Best of luck.
I agree with this. Especially if you have a bunch of advanced training/cert's/skills. The big guys (Oakland, San Jose, etc) won't take the chance, but little agencies (25-ish guys) lose great officers as they get more training and experience they get drafted by the money and action at large agencies- so the others look for guys like you.

Work hard on your "story" for when you go through the process and Chief's interview. Lie about what kind of coffee you like and you're washed. Be humble and admit your mistake and what YOU have done/continue to do to remedy things. Disclose every damn thing you can think of- you don't want anyone having anything on you now or down the road. Be ready to move somewhere cheap, little agencies pay very little but you'll come in at or close to top step.

I see CALPERS a little different than some posters. I think if you can take a CALPERS retirement- do it AND collect your new salary as well (at a non CALPERS agency). Not only do you double dip, you also can pump a ton of money into the second retirement as you have two incomes- so when you retire the second time the income stream of both is fantastic.

Good luck, keep your chin up man- others have done it!

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Old 11-08-2018, 4:39 PM
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Gustine PD will pick you up no problem. Might check with Newman. Mendota is getting a little too south but would too. Rio Vista. Atwater. Ceres has a rep for picking up challenging PHS’s.

Edit: Newman’s hiring announcement:
http://www.cityofnewman.com/news-and...dKTp0xHcnf6YxA

It’s for a recruit spot but trust me they will jump at not having to run someone through the academy. I have an academy buddy that works there that I can put you in contact with if you want.
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Check with Colton, Desert Hot Springs, Cathedral City. I've met a few good officers who made mistakes at prior agencies and are doing well. Not the best pay or benefits but it's a job.
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Thank you for your added value. You too should practice what you preach.



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Old 11-08-2018, 9:29 PM
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Old 11-08-2018, 9:43 PM
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Union? How did your union go to bat for you? I knew a fireman that was caught red handed shoplifting at Home Depot. He was arrested and then terminated as a probationary fireman. His captain who was a union director went to bat for him in a couple surrounding cities and got him a job. His career has been completely clean and trouble free and his department was absorbed into the county so has been back for about 15 years now.
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Old 11-09-2018, 12:10 AM
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AidenHK, the questions that Rogue187 and SarcoBlaster asked you are obviously rhetorical questions. Rogue187 is not asking you if it is any of your business, but you are too immature to realize it. SarcoBlaster is not asking you why you don't MYOB, but again you are too immature to realize it.

Your defensiveness for getting called out by them shows either you are not sworn or an immature sworn, my SWAG is the former due to your lack of knowledge regarding having the OP post IA findings on a public forum in essence waiving a his POBR protections.

Have a little respect for someone's privacy on such a sensitive subject. Yes, the OP asked for some help, many have posted that help and others have PM'd that help. You have provided no help to the OP in any of your 3 postings.

Please stay focused on assisting the OP instead of digging into the IA.
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Old 11-09-2018, 7:35 PM
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I would think that you just need to pick some agencies and apply and see what happens.

I know a officer who got fired from being a idiot at one agency had to go to a really crappy department to get back started again. Ended up going from there to a little bit bigger department. Eventually after about 6-7 years he got to a premium Central Valley agency and just made sergeant in the last few years
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Sure I know a guy and I’am asking for a friend, ok, I was terminated and need to rehab my career. Does anyone know of any, I really mean any, agency in Northern California that would could be an option. I’ve already encountered an agency that cancelled an interview once they realized I’d been terminated from my previous agency. I am aware I have a tough road ahead of me and I’m not disclosing the reason for the termination, however after numerous years invested, I would really like to finish what I started.
Just read somewhere that Bellevue Washington has many positions they are hiring for and are offering a $16K hiring bonus. They are looking for people with at least 2 years experience and also from other states. Seems they are very aggressive in their hiring. Good luck.
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AidenHK, the questions that Rogue187 and SarcoBlaster asked you are obviously rhetorical questions. Rogue187 is not asking you if it is any of your business, but you are too immature to realize it. SarcoBlaster is not asking you why you don't MYOB, but again you are too immature to realize it.

Your defensiveness for getting called out by them shows either you are not sworn or an immature sworn, my SWAG is the former due to your lack of knowledge regarding having the OP post IA findings on a public forum in essence waiving a his POBR protections.

Have a little respect for someone's privacy on such a sensitive subject. Yes, the OP asked for some help, many have posted that help and others have PM'd that help. You have provided no help to the OP in any of your 3 postings.

Please stay focused on assisting the OP instead of digging into the IA.


Maybe AidenHK, needs a donut or a hug...that’s seems to be what he mostly posts about in other places on the forum...

OP, I’m in SoCal, so not much to offer in the way of NorCal depts, but good luck, it sounds like there’s been lots of good advice so far.


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Good luck op; sometimes you need to take a step back in order to take two giant leaps forward. I know a few guys that had to go to very small agencies to rehab their careers and it worked out for them. If you have to relocate to SoCal in order to do that then it is worth the gamble.
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A coworker just got picked up with Napa County Corrections. You can also look into Bureau of Prisons.
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A friend of mine was fired from his PD for inappropriate interactions with a cadet/explorer.

He was then hired as the head of security for a local Indian casino which is run by a Vegas corporation. I mentioned the last part because he said working for a tribe would be a mistake as there is no job security with them. But the Vagas corporation has an HR department and still follows state laws.
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