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Old 06-30-2020, 1:54 AM
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Default What are my options for featureless a muzzle brake that a gas block can slide over?

Planning on doing a 14.5 pin/weld because I just found out about muzzle devices that are skinny enough for a gas block to slide over.

I know about the Aero VG6 EPSILON 556SL and YHM 25A, but what else is out there? Anyone done a similar build have pics?
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Why not pin and weld AFTER sliding just the gas block onto the barrel?
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Why not pin and weld AFTER sliding just the gas block onto the barrel?
Or plan on using a clamp on gas block.
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How often are on you planning on swapping gas blocks?
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Um, I think you guys are missing the point. If the gas block can slide over the muzzle device that means the barrel nut can as well. Which means you can change handguards. Do I have to explain the benefit in that?
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Um, I think you guys are missing the point. If the gas block can slide over the muzzle device that means the barrel nut can as well. Which means you can change handguards. Do I have to explain the benefit in that?
Please do explain. Do you really need that much modularity that you’re gonna be changing out handguard/rail systems?
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You’re acting like this is a common practice.

I own over a dozen AR’s and I’ve never had to swap handguards, for any reason.
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Faxon makes one:
https://faxonfirearms.com/faxon-slim...le-brake-5-56/
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I'm gonna have to go with sirsloth here. I can't leave my AR alone. 5 years and it's been like 3 handguards already and 2 different muzzle brakes.

But to answer the question, I believe Faxon has a slim muzzle brake specifically for your situation.

https://faxonfirearms.com/faxon-slim...le-brake-5-56/
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You’re acting like this is a common practice.

I own over a dozen AR’s and I’ve never had to swap handguards, for any reason.
I'm not acting like anything. I asked a pretty specific question, but thanks for your input. Didn't your mom ever teach to not to answer a question with a question?
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Please do explain. Do you really need that much modularity that you’re gonna be changing out handguard/rail systems?
Pretty easy to explain. More options > less options.
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Strike makes one... let me look it up...

Miller comp has an OD of .745, which means .750 gas blocks can slip right over it.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...muzzle-device/
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Op can do what ever he wants. It's his AR.

Now me....I would just build another AR...so much fun.
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There's this one: https://www.adamsarms.net/vdi-manima...ed-flash-hider

Outside diameter = 0.748 inches
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Don't know if its long enough, but this guy may have one for you
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Um, I think you guys are missing the point. If the gas block can slide over the muzzle device that means the barrel nut can as well. Which means you can change handguards. Do I have to explain the benefit in that?
Perhaps.

I don't think I've ever changed handguards on an operational rifle.
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Here's another option:
https://www.bulletbutton.com/BULLET-...e-p/ar15mb.htm

But you would need to verify the length of the device.
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I'm gonna have to go with sirsloth here. I can't leave my AR alone. 5 years and it's been like 3 handguards already and 2 different muzzle brakes.

But to answer the question, I believe Faxon has a slim muzzle brake specifically for your situation.

https://faxonfirearms.com/faxon-slim...le-brake-5-56/
Sounds like it’s your accessory, not an instrument of war. Are you going to know how to use it when you need to, or do you just keep it around for the social media presence?

$100 says you have less than 5k rounds through it in 5 years.
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Um, I think you guys are missing the point. If the gas block can slide over the muzzle device that means the barrel nut can as well. Which means you can change handguards. Do I have to explain the benefit in that?
I understand exactly what you meant and see the advantage of it. Either the Faxon or the BB types would work, looks like.

However, the washer you use to time it might not clear the gas block. Just something to watch out for. Find one that works before pinning and welding.

Too bad you're not looking for a flash suppressor that's 5/8-24, because I can wholeheartedly recommend this FS:

https://www.sixfivearms.com/product/...sh-suppressor/

It's very sleek and lightweight. Weighs less than an A2 Birdcage in fact.
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Sounds like it’s your accessory, not an instrument of war. Are you going to know how to use it when you need to, or do you just keep it around for the social media presence?

$100 says you have less than 5k rounds through it in 5 years.
So what? I don't remember where it said in the Constitution that you had to run so much ammo through your firearm, or that your firearm had to be an instrument of war...

Why not contact a gunsmith and get a custom made, then welded, then smoothed out and finished to look like the rest of the barrel?
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Please do explain. Do you really need that much modularity that you’re gonna be changing out handguard/rail systems?
I did this on 2 pin/welded barrels and regretted not having slim brakes. Cost quite a bit to change out those handguards but the OCD got the better of me. Just to remove and pin one is about $100 plus the cost of a new brake since the brake is usually destroyed when removed. If you think there is a remote chance you may want a different handguard on there just buy a slim brake to begin with. If you never change the handguard you really don't lose anything anyway.

The Faxon will work. Beware of that Epsilon, the "tines" could be mistaken as a combo flash hider even if not advertised as one. Also be aware of the diameter of your barrel contour. Is it slim, .620 or .750? Faxon fits slim, YHM fits government contour. Those were the 2 I used on my builds.


Quickdraw559, Who cares if they have 500 rounds through them in 50 years? They are not an "instrument of war". Nobody going to war with an AR15. You sound ignorant with a comment like that.

I should also add that standards change, i.e., M-Lok vs Keymod. May be another reason the change out handguards depending on future standards.
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May I ask why not just go 16 inch barrel and a removable Muzzle device ? I get the looks part but if your set on changing the Hand Guard. I'd just go to a 16 nch barrel ,cause more than likely you will change the muzzle device.
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https://www.vg6precision.com/vg6-epsilon-556sl

Hmm the prongs have a clear purpose but they call it a muzzle break and make no mention of flash hiding ability, even though they definitely do on the regular Epsilon. I'd probably go with the Strike one.
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Any "brake" that has prongs, even if it does not say "flash reducing, hiding, etc" is a very grey area if not a No-Go. It's all about function and not advertising. This has been discussed here. What makes a flash hider?

Definition of a "Flash Suppressor" CCR 11 § 5469 (b) “Flash suppressor" means any device designed, intended, or that functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision. CCR 11 § 5469 (b) A Flash Suppressor/ Flash Hider is a device attached to or integral with the muzzle of a firearm, designed to eliminate or reduce the incandescent flash of the firearm's discharge. Although they can reduce the visibility of the firearm's location when fired, they are primarily designed to prevent the shooter's vision from being blinded by the flash at night. Many flash hiders also act as a muzzle brake.
Characteristics of a flash suppressor:
The majority of these devices come in two styles. The multi prong and the birdcage flash suppressor. The inner cavity of the muzzle device is usually several times the diameter of the bore. The muzzle device usually has large slots to allow the propelling gasses to blow through: redirecting, reducing, and eliminating the muzzle flash from the shooters field of vision.
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It’s like a woman with her purses, except his accessory was designed to kill people in war.

Untrained gun owners are a liability to everyone around them. Guns are not toys or photo props. One should be trained and practiced with their weapons.
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It’s like a woman with her purses, except his accessory was designed to kill people in war.

Untrained gun owners are a liability to everyone around them. Guns are not toys or photo props. One should be trained and practiced with their weapons.
Lol! Because that's what guns are for. Are you "trained and practiced" with your weapon of war?
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Any "brake" that has prongs, even if it does not say "flash reducing, hiding, etc" is a very grey area if not a No-Go. It's all about function and not advertising. This has been discussed here. What makes a flash hider?
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True dat. But just to clarify it for anyone not clear: Advertising and product description are very solid indicators that the device was at least "designed, intended..." to reduce flash (whether or not it actually does). That right there would be enough to get a person in trouble.

It's funny. Even to say that it "functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision" is an inference since the DOJ does not test and measure devices or define what is perceptible. They go purely by the shape here. I guess not all laws have to be super precise.

It's probably good that drug laws aren't written this way. Can you imagine, anything just advertised (say by a dealer on a street corner) to alter a mood perceptibly was legally considered a controlled substance? Or it having certain physical "characteristics", e.g. a powder, white or light brown in color? No lab test to confirm. You could go to prison for a bag of flour. Hah.
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Lol! Because that's what guns are for. Are you "trained and practiced" with your weapon of war?
“Because that’s what guns are for.”

You do realize that rifles with 14.5-16” barrels shooting 5.56/.223 are used in war ever day right? You realize pistols shooting 9mm rounds are used in war right? You realize Rem 700s are used in war right? Please tell me you realize that the only functional difference between an ar15 and m16 is the happy switch. What do you know about guns? I venture to say not much...

Yes, I am trained and practiced and continue to train and practice. I’ve put more rounds down range as a child than you do as an adult. An untrained, unpracticed gun owner is a liability, just like OP.

Tell me genius big brain, what is your AR designed to do? Why did you buy it? Flex that big brain for me.
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“Because that’s what guns are for.”

You do realize that rifles with 14.5-16” barrels shooting 5.56/.223 are used in war ever day right? You realize pistols shooting 9mm rounds are used in war right? You realize Rem 700s are used in war right? Please tell me you realize that the only functional difference between an ar15 and m16 is the happy switch. What do you know about guns? I venture to say not much...

Yes, I am trained and practiced and continue to train and practice. I’ve put more rounds down range as a child than you do as an adult. An untrained, unpracticed gun owner is a liability, just like OP.

Tell me genius big brain, what is your AR designed to do? Why did you buy it? Flex that big brain for me.

I would thank you for the genius big brain compliment but I see that you are trolling. Not sure where this chip on your shoulder came from but fyi, you are perpetuating the language used by those that would see us unarmed when you use phrases like instruments of war, etc. You do realize that swords, pitchforms, hand axes were all used in "wars" at one time? Are they weapons of war?

I have put many rounds through proper M16s and M4s with "happy switch" care of the US gubmint, thank you. I know the differences intimately between those weapons and an AR15. Nobody is going to war with an AR15. I use my firearms for recreation and self defense. Is that good enough for you? Have fun prepping for the Boog.
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I would thank you for the genius big brain compliment but I see that you are trolling. Not sure where this chip on your shoulder came from but fyi, you are perpetuating the language used by those that would see us unarmed when you use phrases like instruments of war, etc. You do realize that swords, pitchforms, hand axes were all used in "wars" at one time? Are they weapons of war?

I have put many rounds through proper M16s and M4s with "happy switch" care of the US gubmint, thank you. I know the differences intimately between those weapons and an AR15. Nobody is going to war with an AR15. I use my firearms for recreation and self defense. Is that good enough for you? Have fun prepping for the Boog.
They were instruments of war, but aren’t. These are. They are used in war every day and have for 50+ years. Don’t play dumb.

I don’t have a chip on my shoulder, you apparently do. All I did was laugh at some guy who treats his AR like an accessory, but doesn’t even shoot. You jumped in to white knight because....? 5k rounds in 5 years is not some type of operator-tier bar that I arbitrarily set. Don’t be so touchy.

We should be shaming OP into hitting the range, not treating him like some baby with a new doll.
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They were instruments of war, but aren’t. These are. They are used in war every day and have for 50+ years. Don’t play dumb.

I don’t have a chip on my shoulder, you apparently do. All I did was laugh at some guy who treats his AR like an accessory, but doesn’t even shoot. You jumped in to white knight because....? 5k rounds in 5 years is not some type of operator-tier bar that I arbitrarily set. Don’t be so touchy.

We should be shaming OP into hitting the range, not treating him like some baby with a new doll.

The original question was about a slim muzzle brake to future proof a rifle in the case the OP may want to change his handguard. I gave insight as I did the exact same thing. Why not start with the option from the get go just in case, rather than change your mind later and spend more money? We've gone through several iterations of mounting options on hanguards over the years, now the industry is adopting M-Lok.

And why do you care? That says nothing about how anyone treats a rifle, standards change. And how would you know how much anyone shoots? "Don't play dumb"? Why should we be shaming anyone about how much or little they shoot, their business. You really are being irrational and trolling now and taking this thread way off base. Best of luck to you.
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Op can do what ever he wants. It's his AR.

Now me....I would just build another AR...so much fun.
aint no joke i thought hey i have an ar i can just buy another upper...

oh i have a spare upper i can easily throw a lower together...

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Strike makes one... let me look it up...

Miller comp has an OD of .745, which means .750 gas blocks can slip right over it.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...muzzle-device/

I do like this one and the barely-narrower-than-barrel diameter is appealing. However looking at the photos the last ~1/3 end of the device is open with slots on the side, much like an A2 birdcage. It could possibly "function" with some flash mitigating capability. Sounds stupid and nit-pickey but just trying to keep everyone legal. Something to consider but in the end may be much ado about nothing.

"... birdcage flash suppressor. The inner cavity of the muzzle device is usually several times the diameter of the bore. The muzzle device usually has large slots to allow the propelling gasses to blow through: ...."
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Sounds like it’s your accessory, not an instrument of war. Are you going to know how to use it when you need to, or do you just keep it around for the social media presence?

$100 says you have less than 5k rounds through it in 5 years.
I dont even have 5k rounds though any single one of my guns since I started owning guns in 2009.

I have shot over 5k rounds combined though.

Wonder what that makes me.....
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Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
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Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
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Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).
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