Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > OUTDOORS, HUNTING AND SURVIVAL > Survival and Preparations
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Survival and Preparations Long and short term survival and 'prepping'.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-25-2020, 3:42 PM
Metal God's Avatar
Metal God Metal God is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,629
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default Long term water storage questions .

I bought some water storage containers . Some large and some smaller ( small are 7gal ) . I filled them up about 5 years ago after rinsing with a bleach solution to include the hose used to fill them . I then filled them with tap water from my house ( SoCal area )

What is the proper way to test if the water is good to drink after that long of time ? I heard properly stored city water can have a shelf life of several years ?

How long does city water last meaning still drinkable with out any treatment ?

How do I clean the containers out and fill them back up which is the plan tomorrow/soon ? I not only want to make sure they are clean but don't want to introduce contaminates as fill them . I have no real way to scrub or wipe out the large containers .

FWIW I have several water filtering systems from life straws to the large-ish katadyn ceradyn drip system . That's why I just used untreated city water , I figured even if it went bad I could boil or filter it . Is that true , are those filters good enough to filter city water that's been in a sealed container for years ?

Thanks MG
__________________
Tolerate
allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

If you have the time check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE or a picture of Mohamed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwpwP_fIqY

Last edited by Metal God; 06-25-2020 at 4:26 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-25-2020, 4:36 PM
ja308's Avatar
ja308 ja308 is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 10,784
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Thats a good question!
We also have lots of tap water stored using 2 drops of bleach per gallon.

Im guessing there will be an odor or discoloration if it is bad. That said its probably good insurance too have some water purification tablets, or of course boil the water.
__________________
"Both socialism & communism require a commitment to the use of force. You cannot decide what to do with the other guy’s money unless you are committed to use force to take that money from him..."
Rick Kelo
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams.

"Liars Make The Best Promises " Pierce Brown.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-25-2020, 8:08 PM
mnichols's Avatar
mnichols mnichols is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Escondido, CA
Posts: 2,627
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Dump it on some plants.
Rinse with bleach solution.
Refill.
Repeat annually.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-25-2020, 8:29 PM
UFO hunter's Avatar
UFO hunter UFO hunter is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,660
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

City water can vary tremendously in quality. But all tap water has nitrates and various other nutrients that bacteria thrive on. Therefore cities add chlorine/chloromine to the tap water to keep the bacteria down to acceptable levels.

I would not use tap water for any long term storage. Get a reverse osmosis filter, it will get rid of nearly all the undesirable crap in your water (including nitrates). We are talking about filtration efficiencies of 90 percent++

You can put bleach in your water but bleach breaks down after awhile and loses potency. So you gotta keep adding more bleach. After 5 years, you're gonna have a hell of a lot of bleach remnants.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-25-2020, 8:47 PM
ChuckD ChuckD is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,007
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

I have a whole house water filter, so my tap water is pure but also has no chlorine in it. I fill containers and at least every 6 months I drink a little (if I'm going to get sick I'd rather do it now while I can call an ambulance if needed) and pour the rest on my plants/trees. I've never been ill because of it. I don't add anything to the water.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-25-2020, 9:43 PM
Dr Pete Dr Pete is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 540
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

I have a 55 gallon water barrel that I treated with tablets. I don't remember what they were, got them from the Navy surplus store.

That reminds me I need to look at the date I put on the barrel, I believe they were good for 5 years.

Time to water some plants and rinse and repeat.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-25-2020, 9:45 PM
freonr22's Avatar
freonr22 freonr22 is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: San Jose
Posts: 12,570
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD View Post
I have a whole house water filter, so my tap water is pure but also has no chlorine in it. I fill containers and at least every 6 months I drink a little (if I'm going to get sick I'd rather do it now while I can call an ambulance if needed) and pour the rest on my plants/trees. I've never been ill because of it. I don't add anything to the water.
What micron rating is your whole house filter, to be "pure"?
__________________
<img src=http://calgunsfoundation.org/images/stories/San-Benito.jpg border=0 alt= />[IMG]file:///C:/Users/PCMECH%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-3.png[/IMG][IMG]file:///C:/Users/PCMECH%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-4.png[/IMG]
Quote:
Originally Posted by dantodd View Post
We will win. We are right. We will never stop fighting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bwiese View Post
They don't believe it's possible, but then Alison didn't believe there'd be 350K - 400K OLLs in CA either.
Quote:
Originally Posted by louisianagirl View Post
Our fate is ours alone to decide as long as we remain armed heavily enough to dictate it.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-26-2020, 4:05 AM
Metal God's Avatar
Metal God Metal God is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,629
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Thanks guys , does anyone have the answer to " if the tap water is years old can I just use my life straw or other water filters like my katadyn ceradyn drip system" and not sweat it ?
__________________
Tolerate
allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

If you have the time check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE or a picture of Mohamed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwpwP_fIqY
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-26-2020, 4:13 AM
Bangzoom's Avatar
Bangzoom Bangzoom is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: San Fernando Valley
Posts: 6,511
iTrader: 41 / 100%
Default

I use a lot more bleach since it degrades in a year or so anyway....

Sorry i have no answer to you question above this post.....but i dont see how anything can be growing in the water if it was sterile to begin with...its properly sealed and kept in total darkness....i have winterized my pool for 2 years once and the water was crystal clear because I kept the sun off it

if you are worried....just redo them...use more bleach...and remember cheap bleach is much lower % of Sodium hypochlorite than Clorox
__________________
Wanna Buy Some Rifles???



Last edited by Bangzoom; 06-26-2020 at 4:17 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-26-2020, 8:02 PM
ChuckD ChuckD is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,007
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by freonr22 View Post
What micron rating is your whole house filter, to be "pure"?
No idea on microns. My point of mentioning it is not so much the "purity" of the water, but that the chlorine is filtered out.

https://onewatersystems.com/products...ers-san-diego/
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-26-2020, 8:38 PM
BOBGBA's Avatar
BOBGBA BOBGBA is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: SFV
Posts: 1,117
iTrader: 46 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metal God View Post
Thanks guys , does anyone have the answer to " if the tap water is years old can I just use my life straw or other water filters like my katadyn ceradyn drip system" and not sweat it ?
Isn't the purpose of those devices to allow you to filter and drink water that may be questionable?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-27-2020, 7:55 AM
The War Wagon's Avatar
The War Wagon The War Wagon is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: da' 'BURGH
Posts: 8,020
iTrader: 22 / 100%
Cool

If the Soviets drop the big one, BEFORE you've had a chance to refresh or re-treat, just strain THAT water through ground coffee beans first... to be safe.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-27-2020, 8:01 AM
rgutierrez428 rgutierrez428 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 10
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Get a reverse osmosis setup so none of that would matter
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-28-2020, 1:13 AM
Metal God's Avatar
Metal God Metal God is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,629
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Well I cleaned everything out and watered all the plants etc. After five years the water did not have any odor really at all and the containers have no real film or slime in them . So I cleaned them out with a bleach solution of 3/4 of a cup of bleach per 1 gallon of water and used 4 gallons of water and bleach in each of the large containers swishing it around etc. let it sit for a while swish it around some more then dumped it out .

I didn’t use the same concentration of solution to clean out the same hoes I used five years ago that I had put up and had not you since . I then rinsed everything out then refilled .

I’m glad that’s over with and I’m very happy that I’ve got new clean water on reserve again. With the filters I have I think I should be good to go for a few more years again .

Thanks MG
__________________
Tolerate
allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

If you have the time check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE or a picture of Mohamed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwpwP_fIqY

Last edited by Metal God; 06-28-2020 at 1:17 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-28-2020, 6:48 AM
kayaker's Avatar
kayaker kayaker is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Northern California
Posts: 902
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

I keep several 2-1/2-5 gallon containers. I water plants and refill annually. I don't add bleach.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 06-28-2020, 7:38 AM
jamie404's Avatar
jamie404 jamie404 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 118
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

UV light is a non-invasive method of killing bacteria and viruses. Won't do anything about lead, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-28-2020, 8:35 AM
jben's Avatar
jben jben is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,591
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

If you want to read about water storage, check here:
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=343841
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 06-29-2020, 12:18 PM
TheChief's Avatar
TheChief TheChief is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,694
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rgutierrez428 View Post
Get a reverse osmosis setup so none of that would matter
Sure, that is easy. Please provide links to reasonably affordable versions of these that operate via hand power, i.e. no electricity.
__________________
All things being equal...
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 06-29-2020, 11:43 PM
Metal God's Avatar
Metal God Metal God is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,629
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Sure, that is easy. Please provide links to reasonably affordable versions of these that operate via hand power, i.e. no electricity.
Don't forget it will also need to be able to fill 150gal of containers as well . I'm not storing water for if my water never stops running . It's for when my tap runs dry . Do they make reverse osmosis systems for a water source that is not under pressure ? I don't know how they work but have seen them under clients sinks before . There's always a small tank about the size of a 2gal bucket or so . I'm assuming that's all the clean water you actually have access to do at one time ?? Then it takes some amount of time to fill that tank back up ???

Do they make 100 or 200 gallon versions of those systems ? What might that cost ?
__________________
Tolerate
allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

If you have the time check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE or a picture of Mohamed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwpwP_fIqY
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 06-30-2020, 7:49 AM
Duck Killer Duck Killer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,130
iTrader: 69 / 100%
Default

Buy bottle water from costco. Get like 10 cases or more and rotate. Without and endless supply of water like a well or spring you will never be able to store enough water for more than a weeks worth of use.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 06-30-2020, 8:01 AM
five.five-six's Avatar
five.five-six five.five-six is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29,828
iTrader: 61 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mnichols View Post
Dump it on some plants.
Rinse with bleach solution.
Refill.
Repeat annually.

Yep, rotate your water.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlosdanger View Post
Dude give it up. The election is was months ago. Hillary is toast. Her political career is over.

Or do you just hate her so much you can't let go?
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 06-30-2020, 8:07 AM
five.five-six's Avatar
five.five-six five.five-six is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29,828
iTrader: 61 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metal God View Post
Don't forget it will also need to be able to fill 150gal of containers as well . I'm not storing water for if my water never stops running . It's for when my tap runs dry . Do they make reverse osmosis systems for a water source that is not under pressure ? I don't know how they work but have seen them under clients sinks before . There's always a small tank about the size of a 2gal bucket or so . I'm assuming that's all the clean water you actually have access to do at one time ?? Then it takes some amount of time to fill that tank back up ???

Do they make 100 or 200 gallon versions of those systems ? What might that cost ?

There are RO systems that can run on a pump, expect to spend over $100 on the pump. RO systems generally waste water at a rate of 3:1, there are some exotic systems that will produce product water at a ratio of 1:1 waste water but again, expect to get out your wallet.

Commercial systems will produce water much faster than 200 GPD but you’ll probably be looking into financing options on those.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlosdanger View Post
Dude give it up. The election is was months ago. Hillary is toast. Her political career is over.

Or do you just hate her so much you can't let go?
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 06-30-2020, 9:18 AM
mtenenhaus mtenenhaus is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,461
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

When i was a biochemist we would store water used for our research in glass bottles kept in closed cabinets (away from heat, light etc.). The bottles were sterilized prior to filling and vacuum sealing. Glass was our preferred storage container for many liquid compounds.

We would periodically test samples bacteriologically looking for common water borne pathogens, i think some of the samples were 2 or 3 years old and the bacteriologic examination came back clean. Not sure if that helps you.

Glass is heavy and breakable but is generally well thought of. Stainless steel is a good option but if i recall correctly there is a potential for corrosion when used with caustic agents such as chlorine.

At home we've been storing cases of store bought bottled water and rotate them semi annually. The plastic bottles are supposed to be food grade and considered a safe option.

I guess if a terrible tragedy transpired and all i had left was older stores of water i would at the very least boil them to be extra safe. Filtering would constitute a secondary option.

Last edited by mtenenhaus; 06-30-2020 at 9:21 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 06-30-2020, 9:47 AM
thedonger's Avatar
thedonger thedonger is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: The OC
Posts: 1,073
iTrader: 34 / 95%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by five.five-six View Post
There are RO systems that can run on a pump, expect to spend over $100 on the pump. RO systems generally waste water at a rate of 3:1, there are some exotic systems that will produce product water at a ratio of 1:1 waste water but again, expect to get out your wallet.

Commercial systems will produce water much faster than 200 GPD but you’ll probably be looking into financing options on those.
I built my own a few years ago, runs on 12 volts, uses an RV pressure pump and an RO system. I have a pool so that would be my primary source of water and would dump the wastewater back into the pool to cycle through again. Total cost was about $350.
__________________


TheDonger.CalGuns@gmail.com
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 06-30-2020, 10:27 AM
five.five-six's Avatar
five.five-six five.five-six is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29,828
iTrader: 61 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedonger View Post
I built my own a few years ago, runs on 12 volts, uses an RV pressure pump and an RO system. I have a pool so that would be my primary source of water and would dump the wastewater back into the pool to cycle through again. Total cost was about $350.
there you go. Keep in mind that most membranes are Mose efficient at 65-85 PSI (from memory)

the (a) problem with pool water is that chlorine and bromine play hell on a membrane. You want multiple carbon blocks to protect your membrane if you are using pool water.

I know people in chloramine treated municipalities are using these with success.

https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/brs-r...s-monster.html

Chloramines eat holes in membranes like nobody’s business. I recommend using at least one chloramine rated carbon block in every RO system, even if your municipality doesn’t use chloramines, they may very well share water from another district that does use them or suddenly start using them without notification.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlosdanger View Post
Dude give it up. The election is was months ago. Hillary is toast. Her political career is over.

Or do you just hate her so much you can't let go?
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 06-30-2020, 10:31 AM
thedonger's Avatar
thedonger thedonger is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: The OC
Posts: 1,073
iTrader: 34 / 95%
Default

My pool is a saltwater pool and assuming I need to use the system, the power is likely off, the chlorine levels will drop rapidly down to near 0 in a few days.

I also installed a turbulent flow switch to assist with cleaning the RO membrane
__________________


TheDonger.CalGuns@gmail.com
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-01-2020, 10:55 AM
Metal God's Avatar
Metal God Metal God is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,629
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

My gaol is to get up to 250 gal stored , I’m at 130gal now and thats going to last a lot longer then a week .
__________________
Tolerate
allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

If you have the time check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE or a picture of Mohamed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwpwP_fIqY
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-01-2020, 12:19 PM
TheReluctantCraftstronaut's Avatar
TheReluctantCraftstronaut TheReluctantCraftstronaut is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 282
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metal God View Post
What is the proper way to test if the water is good to drink after that long of time ? I heard properly stored city water can have a shelf life of several years ?

How long does city water last meaning still drinkable with out any treatment ?

How do I clean the containers out and fill them back up which is the plan tomorrow/soon ? I not only want to make sure they are clean but don't want to introduce contaminates as fill them . I have no real way to scrub or wipe out the large containers .

FWIW I have several water filtering systems from life straws to the large-ish katadyn ceradyn drip system . That's why I just used untreated city water , I figured even if it went bad I could boil or filter it . Is that true , are those filters good enough to filter city water that's been in a sealed container for years ?

Thanks MG
IMO, this is what I would do.

- Only store water for a year. It can certainly last longer, but water is cheap and the cleaning/disinfection task is not too bad as an annual chore.
- Consider a 2 weekend process. Do half one weekend, and do the other half the next, that way you always have a supply of some water.
- Dump water on some plants, use PBW detergent solution to soak the entire container overnight. This is a powdered detergent I use to clean fermenters and kegs. It works really well and even the most sticky residues from brewing usually dissolve off the container without any scrubbing if you let them soak for a day.
- Use a carboy cleaning brush if you feel the need to scrub the container. They make straight brushes and bent brushes to help with large containers and small openings.
- Rinse very thoroughly until the slick residue of the detergent is gone.
- Fill with a star-sans solution (food-grade disinfectant) and let it sit for the prescribed amount of time. I don't recall how long the directions recommend for disinfection, I just fill my containers/bottles and walk away for a few hours. Use this solution to also disinfect your filling equipment, hoses, funnels, lids, etc.
- Dump out star sans (residual star sans is safe to consume and you don't need to rinse at all even when it leave a bunch of suds behind... however I generally give it a quick rinse anyways.
- Fill with water, even tap, and seal it off as soon as it is full. I recommend using a bucket of star sans to keep your lids wet with sanitizer until you are ready to put them back on.

If the situation ever arises to use the water, a few drops of bleach can work as a disinfectant to err on the side of caution. Same applies to boiling, using life straws, carbon filters, etc.

For testing you could buy those diy water test kits that include a organics test, however I wouldn't buy that test and store it for a long time prior to use just in case the testing materials degrade over time. I would personally just find a protocol that you're comfortable enough with to not have the need to test. We're talking about an emergency supply, so waiting 48 hours for a bacteria test to run its course is likely not what you'd want to do anyways and if the test has been on a shelf for years prior to use, it may not be reliable anyways.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 2:00 AM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2020, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.
Tactical Pants Tactical Boots Tactical Gear Military Boots 5.11 Tactical