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Old 03-15-2019, 3:39 PM
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Close up on the bolt, looks like it's got some marring... n

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Thank you everyone for all the help so far. I really appreciate everyone who is giving me actual help. I know this may not be a Savage ashbury from the custom shop and only a hunting rig but I would like to eject at a bare minimum. Happy Pre St. Patty's day!!
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I'm kind of surprised someone who sells AR15 barrels is throwing around "subpar rifle" so loosely... seems a little below a vendor to be so freely insulting actual manufacturers. I guess that's your style.
I don't manufacture or sell anything nor am I am vendor.
I only do service/repair work on other manufacturer's things.

You probably just need to run the bolt more swiftly and it will work fine.
The savage design has so little primary extraction that you will need to put some force into the bolt handle to get the cartridge to pop free of the chamber.
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I had a personal experience similar to what the OP is currently having.
The problem was most frustrating for the shooter as well for all those trying to assist.
The problem was resolved at the factory and the rifle in question has never seen the light of day since its return.
Since it was a sore subject I knew I'd just get one question answered by the most qualified gunsmith who handed the broken Savage 30-06 bolt.
In short, his answer was there would have been no such problem if the shooter was using a Mauser or a Remington.
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The piece you have your thumb around in 1rst and 2nd pic of bolt is what starts extraction of case when you lift bolt. When bolt is closed it is against the receiver and the bolt handle, when you lift the handle there should be a gap between it and bolt handle. Stuck case should cause bolt handle to be hard to lift.
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I have a axis in 308 had same problem as u but it was with steel cased I found out the rifles have tight Chambers . The rifle was brand new the more I shot and cleaned it the better it got . It will extract dirty brass now to hopefully you can get the rifle to extract the way you need it and it's just dirty from the factory
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Mauser type/style actions and all of their off shots are a pretty reliable type of action. I owned a Savage bolt gun and it's problems were not what the OP describes, I have never personally seen the problem he describes. But I have listened to others with much the same thing he is experiencing and they were not happy campers. I repaired my problem Savage and dumped it, I will never own another unless it's a older Savage, they were rough but otherwise pretty good rifles.
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are you certain the chamber is free of any burrs or anything? the case may be fireform expanding around some little burr you can barely feel and it's holding it in there maybe?
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are you certain the chamber is free of any burrs or anything? the case may be fireform expanding around some little burr you can barely feel and it's holding it in there maybe?
Ran my finger down the inside of the Bolt/bore lock up and didn't feel any thing... Maybe I 'll take a flashlight and see if it's something I missed.
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If you had a burr it would show up on the outside of the brass and it doesn't.
If you look at the carbon on the caseneck it looks like a sine wave and that is off topic but a good sign
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It's actually a clearance problem.
They don't have good primary extraction because the bolt has so many parts and so much slop between the parts that almost no primary extraction remains when all the slop is taken up while trying to extract.

The gun would probably get much better if you welded all the bolt parts together, like almost every other bolt gun.

The solution to the clunky savage extraction problem is to replace the rifle with something that's built on the 700 design.
Relax Randall, just take a deep breath. Sliding plate extractors and barrel nuts have taken over the world, but it's OK.

I don't see as many of them as you do, but I haven't seen a factory R700 with much primary extraction in quite awhile. It has nothing to do with welding and bolts. I'm not even convinced its a quality issue. It's so pervasive it looks deliberate for both brands.

Personally, I find fixing it on the Savages a lot easier than the Remingtons. Milling 20-40 thou off the back of the Savage bolt body is easier for me than unsoldering the Remington bolt handle.

OP - To test if a lack of primary extraction is the problem, and it sounds like it is, you can put a feeler gauge between the the rear bolt baffle and action while you lift the bolt. Figure out how thick a gauge you can use with an empty chamber, it'll probably be between 20 and 40 thou before it'll start to bind on closing. Fire the gun, insert the selected gauge, and work the bolt. If it extracts cleanly, too much clearance at the back of the the bolt is killing your primary extraction.

If that is the problem, your choices are sending it back to Savage with a few fired cases and a note about the problem, taking it to a decent Savage gunsmith, or one of the home remedies you'll find on the net for making that rear baffle thicker.
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Relax Randall, just take a deep breath. Sliding plate extractors and barrel nuts have taken over the world, but it's OK.

I don't see as many of them as you do, but I haven't seen a factory R700 with much primary extraction in quite awhile. It has nothing to do with welding and bolts. I'm not even convinced its a quality issue. It's so pervasive it looks deliberate for both brands.

Personally, I find fixing it on the Savages a lot easier than the Remingtons. Milling 20-40 thou off the back of the Savage bolt body is easier for me than unsoldering the Remington bolt handle.

OP - To test if a lack of primary extraction is the problem, and it sounds like it is, you can put a feeler gauge between the the rear bolt baffle and action while you lift the bolt. Figure out how thick a gauge you can use with an empty chamber, it'll probably be between 20 and 40 thou before it'll start to bind on closing. Fire the gun, insert the selected gauge, and work the bolt. If it extracts cleanly, too much clearance at the back of the the bolt is killing your primary extraction.

If that is the problem, your choices are sending it back to Savage with a few fired cases and a note about the problem, taking it to a decent Savage gunsmith, or one of the home remedies you'll find on the net for making that rear baffle thicker.
Thank you that's great info I'll try that tonight
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Sliding plate extractors and barrel nuts have taken over the world, but it's OK.
LOL.

That's a good one!
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Hey Shaun I have a bolt you can work your magic on.
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