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Old 04-12-2019, 8:25 PM
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Today I had to buy a cable lock when I bought a used gun.

In the past the safe affidavit was good enough but today was told that the feds require a trigger lock.

I know our local FFL's were recently visited by ATF so I didn't question it.
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Every shop I’ve been to the past 3 years has required a lock
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Not around here, they just ask if I have a safe, and what kind.

Added: I'm talking for new rifles, and new and used handguns, at multiple shops, most recent was used (cop buy back) G-23 about a month ago.

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Bass Pro made me buy a lock for a rifle.
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So glad I can just buy a gun from a shop, no lock or safe affidavit needed. Hit my car, load up and holster the weapon on my side
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I bought two used rifles in the last month. No locks with either.
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CA law requires a safety device for all guns.

Fedlaw requires a safety device for handguns.

Used/new makes no difference.

CA will accept the safe affidavit for any gun.

A safe is a qualifying safety device for Feds - but BATFE has no way to document that, and they will not accept the CA affidavit.
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it depends on where you DROS it.
I've had to buy a lock at a few different stores. I've Dros-ed a lot of my guns at a kitchen table FFL, some used, some handguns and some long guns. I've never had to purchased a lock from them.
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CA law requires a safety device for all guns.

Fedlaw requires a safety device for handguns.

Used/new makes no difference.

CA will accept the safe affidavit for any gun.

A safe is a qualifying safety device for Feds - but BATFE has no way to document that, and they will not accept the CA affidavit.
For handguns only??

My purchase was a shotgun, and the FFL required me to buy a cable lock, which I gave back because I didn't have a use for it.
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For handguns only??

My purchase was a shotgun, and the FFL required me to buy a cable lock, which I gave back because I didn't have a use for it.
YES, HANDGUNS ONLY per "Child Safety Lock Act of 2005". That's the Fed law............any lock capable of rendering inoperable is OK.

Safe affidavit is GTG for all firearms under Ca FSD law.

FFL either spoke out his rectum. Or like many, such as AMMO BROS, flat out lied to you.

As to the underlined, take your pick, you rewarded them for being ignorant. Or you rewarded them for being liars.

Either way the FFL will double dip on the ill gotten gains from YOUR LOCK.

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I’ll inform him of his mistake and ask for refund on the lock when I pick up.

Thanks and I’ll update this topic after I do the pickup!
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Buy a safe. You can probably get a cheap one for the cost of the gun you just bought and never have to buy another lock.
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Today I had to buy a cable lock when I bought a used gun.

In the past the safe affidavit was good enough but today was told that the feds require a trigger lock.

I know our local FFL's were recently visited by ATF so I didn't question it.
Next time.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...s/bof-978.pdf?
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Today I had to buy a cable lock when I bought a used gun.

In the past the safe affidavit was good enough but today was told that the feds require a trigger lock.

I know our local FFL's were recently visited by ATF so I didn't question it.
Safe affidavit is good for long guns. Dealer screwed you.
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bought a shot gun used in a pawn shop in san fernando no question at all in and out no lock or proof of safe
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bought a shot gun used in a pawn shop in san fernando no question at all in and out no lock or proof of safe
Dealer is likely exposed to punishment for that -
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(a) Any firearm sold or transferred in this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including a private transfer through a dealer, and any firearm manufactured in this state, shall include or be accompanied by a firearm safety device that is listed on the Department of Justice’s roster of approved firearm safety devices and that is identified as appropriate for that firearm by reference to either the manufacturer and model of the firearm, or to the physical characteristics of the firearm that match those listed on the roster for use with the device.
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Did ppt at gretas thur safe affidavit no longer valid must have a lock. They let me show them a cable lock and was good to go. Nowhere on the o/u I purchased that lock would fit. Had same thing happen at guns direct recently.
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Not around here, they just ask if I have a safe, and what kind.

Added: I'm talking for new rifles, and new and used handguns, at multiple shops, most recent was used (cop buy back) G-23 about a month ago.
Where I live they don’t even ask me. They already know me. And I’ve only had to do two “safe handling” demonstrations in my life — both at gun shops in other towns.

Life is a lot easier when you establish relationships with good local gun shops.
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Any ffls have the answer on this? No safe handling for long guns if hunting license used.
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Buy a safe. You can probably get a cheap one for the cost of the gun you just bought and never have to buy another lock.
Reading is fundamental.

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Today I had to buy a cable lock when I bought a used gun.

In the past the safe affidavit was good enough but today was told that the feds require a trigger lock.

I know our local FFL's were recently visited by ATF so I didn't question it.
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^that is how it was explained to me
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Reading is fundamental.
This thing about "now" is peculiar; Feds made that change with the Child Safety Lock Act of 2005, so it's been 14 years ...
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In my experience it’s gonna depend on the shop.
I’ve had chain stores require lock purchase, some not. Small shops have done both. Heck, I didn’t even know what that ‘safe handling demonstration’ crap was until I picked up my FA CA7.
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Last lower I bought they made me buy a lock. I thought it weird since its a rifle lower. Have never had to buy a lock for a rifle until then.
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Where I live they don’t even ask me. They already know me. And I’ve only had to do two “safe handling” demonstrations in my life — both at gun shops in other towns.



Life is a lot easier when you establish relationships with good local gun shops.
I think I had to do a safe handling demonstration twice when I still lived there, but mostly not. What's funny is I had to do one when I picked up a stripped 308 lower. Obviously that's kinda hard, so they grabbed an AR-15 off the shelf and I used that. I felt much better afterwards.

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When I pick up a firearm I bring in some new, packaged locks. I figure if I bring enough of my own new unopened gun locks they won't make me buy another one. It usually works. Sometimes I'll give away some to let others avoid this trap.
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The law is quite clear on what is actually required on this matter and that was indicated by Librarian above.

If an FFL requires you for anything outside of that, that doesn't mean its the law, it is merely their idiotic prerogative, probably from an over zealous or ignorant owner, or from the advise of an overly cautious attorney.
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When I pick up a firearm I bring in some new, packaged locks. I figure if I bring enough of my own new unopened gun locks they won't make me buy another one. It usually works. Sometimes I'll give away some to let others avoid this trap.
That's actually a good idea, but I know of at least two FFL's nearby that will require a receipt of purchase for the lock within the last 30 days.

One of them will accept a handwritten and signed receipt of sale from my wife to me, while the other will look at me in the face and say NO.
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When I pick up a firearm I bring in some new, packaged locks. I figure if I bring enough of my own new unopened gun locks they won't make me buy another one. It usually works. Sometimes I'll give away some to let others avoid this trap.
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That's actually a good idea, but I know of at least two FFL's nearby that will require a receipt of purchase for the lock within the last 30 days.

One of them will accept a handwritten and signed receipt of sale from my wife to me, while the other will look at me in the face and say NO.
The trick is to make sure the lock is INSIDE the factory (or factory looking) box with the gun, before you go into the store, then it looks like it came with the gun. In that case there is no receipt required for the lock.
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That's actually a good idea, but I know of at least two FFL's nearby that will require a receipt of purchase for the lock within the last 30 days.
Since that is a requirement of State law, I would hope they do that. PC 23635(c) and
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In CA, a gun safe affidavit is only good for long guns. Every handgun must have a CA approved cable lock or locking device such as the ILS in a Springfield 1911. An approved cable lock purchased within the last 30 days before pick up is ok as long as a receipt can be provided.
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I have a lot of zip ties left over from before I retired. Wonder if those would work?
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Sherpa not getting it. SAfe affidavit no loner valid.
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Sherpa not getting it. SAfe affidavit no loner valid.
Based on what, do you make that statement that they are no longer valid?

I've bought numerous long guns from several shops in the last several months and have not had to buy a lock.

There has been no change in law that anyone seems aware of.
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I did some ppt's recently, in different areas. Some shops allowed me to use the safe affidavit with minimal info, one shop required me to thoroughly detail the make and model of my safe, and one shop required me to have a brand new sealed lock with a receipt.

What's required and what's not, I'm not sure.
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Librarian posted statutes. 2 ffls will not use safe affidavit instead you fill out back of affidavit which is used for cable lock or trigger lock. Just went thru it.If your ffl allows you to fill it out then have at it they will pay the price not you.
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[1]...In CA, a gun safe affidavit is only good for long guns. Every handgun must have a CA approved cable lock or locking device such as the ILS in a Springfield 1911.

[2]...An approved cable lock purchased within the last 30 days before pick up is ok as long as a receipt can be provided.

The two bolded sentences are patently incorrect.

And the underlined sentence only applies if the buyer doesn't have a safe, or fails to file an affidavit.

Ca FSD requirement applies to ALL FIREARMS. So does the "Safe Affidavit".

Fed. CSLA of 2005, Only applies to "handguns". And ATF does not recognize a Ca DOJ "Safe Affidavit" as a CSLA approved CSLA device.

CSLA 2005, only requires a device capable of disabling a handgun, using either a key, or a combination, be present at time of transfer. It does not denote who must provide the device.

Refer to "Librarian's prior post #7". It accurately states what is what.
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It has to be a DoJ approved lock.

I haven't encountered it, but supposedly some locks that are included with new guns aren't approved.
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Any ffls have the answer on this? No safe handling for long guns if hunting license used.
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depends on where you do your transfers, some ffl's don't bother with it, others like AMMO BROS are sticklers when it come to locks for handguns, the stupid thing is what makes a lock bought 31 days before pick-up no longer good? Do locks because faulty because it's 31 days old? such a gimmick and somebody making these laws owns a major lock company to make this law up....so stupid
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