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hey all I picked up some standard cap mags during freedom week for my G19 which is my primary Carry , does any one know if OC sheriff allows the use of standard cap ( more than 10 ) round mags ? thanks all
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It’s been discussed before... but it’s not in OC’s policy. Although people have said that OC is no-go for 10+ mags.

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It’s been discussed before... but it’s not in OC’s policy. Although people have said that OC is no-go for 10+ mags.

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is it possible you could refer me to the original thread you are referring to ?
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hey all I picked up some standard cap mags during freedom week for my G19 which is my primary Carry , does any one know if OC sheriff allows the use of standard cap ( more than 10 ) round mags ? thanks all
I think the collective wisdom has settled on 'follow published policy - and if not explicitly forbidden, don't ask!'

Bureaucratic minds strongly tend toward CYA; if there is no policy yet, asking is likely to stimulate the writing of one.
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is it possible you could refer me to the original thread you are referring to ?
Previous thread on this topic.
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I am not sure I would follow this if it were me. I would hate for this scenario to happen: What happens if you have to defend yourself using a standard cap mag, and some wanting to make a name or anti-2A local DA decides to use that against you. Yes, I know it should not happen but that does not stop them from
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I am not sure I would follow this if it were me. I would hate for this scenario to happen: What happens if you have to defend yourself using a standard cap mag, and some wanting to make a name or anti-2A local DA decides to use that against you. Yes, I know it should not happen but that does not stop them from
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I am not sure I would follow this if it were me. I would hate for this scenario to happen: What happens if you have to defend yourself using a standard cap mag, and some wanting to make a name or anti-2A local DA decides to use that against you. Yes, I know it should not happen but that does not stop them from

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The assumption in the scenario is you survive but I get what you guys mean.
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I am not sure I would follow this if it were me. I would hate for this scenario to happen: What happens if you have to defend yourself using a standard cap mag, and some wanting to make a name or anti-2A local DA decides to use that against you. Yes, I know it should not happen but that does not stop them from
filing charges. Then you have to spend money defending yourself from bogus charges. Just saying.
Attorneys generally arent generally stupid. If its not prohibited, its permitted. Charge you with what? Exactly what? The magazine prohibition says the offense is an infraction. If you shoot someone, the least of your worries is whether the magazine was a 10 round or a legally acquired 15 round mag.
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I think the collective wisdom has settled on 'follow published policy - and if not explicitly forbidden, don't ask!'

Bureaucratic minds strongly tend toward CYA; if there is no policy yet, asking is likely to stimulate the writing of one.
just so we are clear there is no published policy regarding the use of standard cap mags . that's what I'm getting from your comment
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just so we are clear there is no published policy regarding the use of standard cap mags . that's what I'm getting from your comment
I wouldn't know if there is or is not such a policy; each licensee needs to review the docs of his/her issuing agency for that information.

But IF there is no policy on the point, asking about it seems unlikely to lead to good results.
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Why don't you just read OC's policies and follow them? Seems pretty simple.
And lets reiterate,

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I am not sure I would follow this if it were me. I would hate for this scenario to happen: What happens if you have to defend yourself using a standard cap mag, and some wanting to make a name or anti-2A local DA decides to use that against you. Yes, I know it should not happen but that does not stop them from
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What's the difference if you defend yourself by firing 3 rounds from a 10 rd mag or a 15 rd mag?

In the first instance, you could be characterized as irresponsible because you expended 30% of your ammunition whereas using the 15 rd makes you more responsible as you only used 20% of your ammo. If you use 5 rounds, you really look like a toad. (50% v. 33%)

If you dump your mag in either instance, you'll have problems with 10-15 holes in the "suspect".

As noted in a previous post, what would be the charge for carrying a +10 mag? During the period of the injunction, LCMs can be possessed and used. The type of use is not defined, so it isn't illegal to be carrying or using these mags for self-defense.

The main caveat here is the IA's policy. With the authority to issue the license, comes a responsibility for the IA to make known their policy regarding CCWs and to inform licensed carriers if and when the policy is modified. Most IAs have taken to the internet to provide policy and guidance. If it isn't there, one could make a compelling argument that it doesn't exist.
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What's the difference if you defend yourself by firing 3 rounds from a 10 rd mag or a 15 rd mag?

In the first instance, you could be characterized as irresponsible because you expended 30% of your ammunition whereas using the 15 rd makes you more responsible as you only used 20% of your ammo. If you use 5 rounds, you really look like a toad. (50% v. 33%)

If you dump your mag in either instance, you'll have problems with 10-15 holes in the "suspect".
You assume there is only one suspect. These days, they travel in packs.
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You assume there is only one suspect. These days, they travel in packs.
I didn't assume there was only one suspect. I stated a condition of a single suspect to illustrate the point.

But, the "pack" thing isn't really relevant to this particular part of the discussion, is it? More importantly, if you wind up confronted by a "pack", you failed the first rule of situational awareness.
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I understand the inclination to discuss this... but can we please let this thread die already
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I didn't assume there was only one suspect. I stated a condition of a single suspect to illustrate the point.

But, the "pack" thing isn't really relevant to this particular part of the discussion, is it? More importantly, if you wind up confronted by a "pack", you failed the first rule of situational awareness.
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Don’t go to any ranges that don’t allow legal possession (freedom week etc...) of hicap magazine use. In fact, I think there should be a forum on ranges that don’t allow legally attained hicap mags and their use and to shame them out of some business. Seek another range and out those tyrant ranges by putting out the word on gun forums that they’re really not that friendly toward gun owners.

It’s all another reason why I go to the desert in remote areas to shoot 99% of the time.
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And then imagine if th here was a search feature on this site that users actually used before asking the same question over and over and over...........
It won’t work.

Which is easier?
-do the work to research the question, or
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Are there really ranges that stupid?
I was at Lytle Creek a few years ago and personally witnessed the range dude tell an AR owner that he couldn’t shoot his legally registered black rifle there, even if he showed proof of AW registration. He also said, “no hicaps unless you’re LEO.” He included “no grandfathered hicaps.”

So I stopped going when I saw that incident take place between a customer and the range circus clown. Now since then, a buddy of mine went there a while ago and said nobody hassled him for his AR. Perhaps that one employee was just misguided, I don’t know. I never returned to find out. Regardless, I stopped going and have much more fun in small parcels of desert where nobody is around for miles.

The other side-note I’d like to bring up are the ranges that don’t allow for double taps while training. They like to call it “rapid fire” and they get all freaked out, unless one pays to be in an actual firearms course. If I’m just out there for an hour or two, I don’t want to pay hundreds for a course I’m not interested in. I just want to double tap and shoot a fun gun.

I’m sure not ALL ranges are like that in this tyrannical state, but I just don’t do business with any of them anymore. That’s just me.
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That's disappointing to hear about lyttle creek. Then again, there's always the west end private range.
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I stopped going to Lytle Creek once that started. If anyone had current info on their current polices on assault weapons and over 10 round magazines I'd like to hear about it.
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I stopped going to Lytle Creek once that started. If anyone had current info on their current polices on assault weapons and over 10 round magazines I'd like to hear about it.
They’re still anti-10+ mags.
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Assault weapons as defined by CA law.
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Ah, 10 round fixed magazine bullet button small caliber rifles with the mass murder capable bayonet lug and flash hider.
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Ah, 10 round fixed magazine bullet button small caliber rifles with the mass murder capable bayonet lug and flash hider.
Some people own assault weapons that were required to be registered prior to the CA laws involving bullet buttons. I have no idea if Lytle Creek restricts bullet button versions as well.
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The pre 2001 AWs are a lot more rare than the me post 2019 AWs, that's for sure.
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We're drifting rather far from 'does my IA allow LCMs'.
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