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Old 09-22-2019, 9:02 PM
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Default Can I build featureless ARs and sell them?

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Some of my friends want featureless guns but do not want to spend time building them etc.

I looked on gunbroker for featureless ARs that they could buy but did not see any except some "black rain ordinance" guns that were expensive. I don't know what those are.

So it made me wonder why no one is building featureless rifles and selling them. Is it illegal? What if I started buying stripped lowers, building, and selling them to people on gunbroker or calguns? Is that legal? If I build guns for the sole purpose of selling them, do I need to be a gun dealer? Or is that legal as long as we (seller and buyer) use an FFL to do the transfer?

Is there just a low demand for featureless guns so that is why no one does it?
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no have to be FFL 07 or something like that
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Old 09-22-2019, 9:08 PM
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Definitely not until you obtain your FFL 7. Period.


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You can’t build to sell without the FFL 7 and proper licensing by your state.


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Old 09-22-2019, 9:11 PM
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no have to be FFL 07 or something like that
Ok. Not that I would do this, but just for the sake of knowing, what if I bought a stripped lower for myself, and a parts kit, put it all together and I had a nice gun.

Then later I wanted to sell it. I could sell it through an FFL right?

But if I started doing this all the time, then I need to get some sort of license to do is as a business?

What other legal liabilities are there? I suppose if the gun malfunctioned or exploded and injured someone, could they sue me? Would the same go for if I just decided to sell an old gun I had and did not want anymore?

Where can I find out more information about this so I know exactly what the law and legal liabilities are?
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You have some lazy friends. But on the bright side, if their light bulbs ever go out, you could charge them $20 to replace them for them. No FFL required for that. A few of those, and you could pay for the extra gas block you bought.
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Old 09-22-2019, 9:13 PM
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Check out the NRA Business Alliance, also NSSF.org


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Nevermind. I googled more, you are right. I'd need an 07 FFL and would be very wise to get insurance in case my guns caused injury.

But if I sold one of my self-aseembled used guns to someone and it blew up and hurt them could I be held liable?
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You have some lazy friends. But on the bright side, if their light bulbs ever go out, you could charge them $20 to replace them for them. No FFL required for that. A few of those, and you could pay for the extra gas block you bought.
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So, if your friends bought all of the parts needed and you went to there house to help them. Nothing wrong with that.
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Ok. Not that I would do this, but just for the sake of knowing, what if I bought a stripped lower for myself, and a parts kit, put it all together and I had a nice gun.

Then later I wanted to sell it. I could sell it through an FFL right?
You can do that 4 times a year without a problem.
After 5, you pop up as on the radar for the DOJ and they will tell you that you need to become licensed.
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Have your friend purchase the stripped lower receiver. This way, no resale is required. After that you can help your friend assemble it any way they like.

Whether your friend is present for the assembly portion, and where the assembly takes place... I will leave up to your imagination. But seriously, building an AR is not serious gunsmithing. Your friend could learn a lot if they participated. You know, teach a man to fish or whatever.
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Have your friend purchase the stripped lower receiver. This way, no resale is required. After that you can help your friend assemble it any way they like.

Whether your friend is present for the assembly portion, and where the assembly takes place... I will leave up to your imagination. But seriously, building an AR is not serious gunsmithing. Your friend could learn a lot if they participated. You know, teach a man to fish or whatever.
Yeah, that's true, they probably want to learn but the California rules are so stupid it's hard to know where to start.
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Are there not featureless ARs at every gun store in California? Why wouldn’t they just go to the store and buy one?
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Are there not featureless ARs at every gun store in California? Why wouldn’t they just go to the store and buy one?
Maybe I need to go to more gunshops because I didn't see any, but I wasn't looking for them either. All the guns I saw had the quick release takedown pins instead.
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Why not have them buy the stripped lower, recommend them parts and help them assemble it?
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So it made me wonder why no one is building featureless rifles and selling them.
Some of the big names:



https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm...k-ca-compliant



https://ruger.com/products/ar556/specSheets/8513.html

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https://www.springfield-armory.com/p...ST916556BMCA-S



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Nevermind. I googled more, you are right. I'd need an 07 FFL and would be very wise to get insurance in case my guns caused injury.

But if I sold one of my self-aseembled used guns to someone and it blew up and hurt them could I be held liable?
You don't need a license.

Have you friends buy the lower, order the parts with their credit cards, and have a build party.
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I'm a big dummy!

I guess I didn't look hard enough...
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AR15s are the Legos of the gun world. You'd have to be a special kind of idiot to screw up building one that would blow up.
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Old 09-23-2019, 7:17 PM
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AR15s are the Legos of the gun world. You'd have to be a special kind of idiot to screw up building one that would blow up.
I agree, but you know how people can be. Some idiot sued McDonald's because they spilled their own coffee on their lap and it burned them.

If some idiot used bad ammo or acted like an idiot and hurt themselves they might (or probably would) try to go after me. But it is a moot point now because I have decided there is not really a market for this.

And if my friends want featureless ARs I can happily guide them through the process.
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why are you looking on gunbroker for featurless AR. every gun store has one.
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why are you looking on gunbroker for featurless AR. every gun store has one.
Because I am an idiot and was too excited when I first made this post.

I am going to talk to my local excellent gun shop Gunfighter Tactical and see how much they would charge to put together a good featureless for my buddies.
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Am I missing something here? Assembling an AR from a stripped lower is not manufacturing a firearm.
Unless the OP were to start with an 80%, why would he require an FFL 07?
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Because I am an idiot and was too excited when I first made this post.

I am going to talk to my local excellent gun shop Gunfighter Tactical and see how much they would charge to put together a good featureless for my buddies.
The best way as mentioned above. Let them buy a stripped lower.
Let them buy the parts. You just assemble them. All you will get is beer and pizza.

I can assemble a lower in 15 to 30 minutes. If I try and show someone. It takes a couple of hours. And maybe a lost spring.
Uppers are easy also.
If you put it together with your money. When you go to sell it. Your friends are going to say can you use a different part here or there. When you say no. They won't buy it.
Let them buy there own parts.
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So, if your friends bought all of the parts needed and you went to there house to help them. Nothing wrong with that.
Better business model.
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