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Old 09-05-2019, 10:39 AM
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Default Another CFARS question - new CA resident

Hello all,

Got more questions for you.

Currently, I have an off roster gun that is in the process of being registered with DOJ.

I have been told that the registration can take up to a year....

In the mean time, can I sell this firearm? Or do I have to wait until it is processed? If I can sell it, do I have to report the sale to the DOJ or does the DROS for the new buyer take care of that?
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:48 AM
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You can sell it as soon as you have CA ID; DROS data submission will take care of reporting the sale.
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Old 09-05-2019, 10:50 AM
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Thank you sir. So I don't need to do the whole no longer in possession form with the DOJ?
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Old 09-05-2019, 12:15 PM
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Thank you sir. So I don't need to do the whole no longer in possession form with the DOJ?
Correct. Selling through a CA FFL takes care of all the needed paperwork.
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Old 09-05-2019, 12:26 PM
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You can sell it as soon as you have CA ID; DROS data submission will take care of reporting the sale.
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Correct. Selling through a CA FFL takes care of all the needed paperwork.
This is what I understood as well but a worker at a reputable FFL mentioned (just recently) that it has to be registered prior to doing a PPT no matter what.
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This is what I understood as well but a worker at a reputable FFL mentioned (just recently) that it has to be registered prior to doing a PPT no matter what.
Which is totally incorrect. The only thing correct about the story, is that you can never trust a FFL worker to give you accurate info about CA gun laws.

A new resident does not even have to register them, they can either sell or register the firearms within 60 days. The firearms do not have to be in CA AFS first.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...0.&lawCode=PEN

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27560.
(a) Within 60 days of bringing a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm, into this state, a personal firearm importer shall do one of the following:
(1) Forward by prepaid mail or deliver in person to the Department of Justice, a report prescribed by the department including information concerning that individual and a description of the firearm in question.
(2) Sell or transfer the firearm in accordance with the provisions of Section 27545 or in accordance with the provisions of an exemption from Section 27545.
(3) Sell or transfer the firearm to a dealer licensed pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.
(4) Sell or transfer the firearm to a sheriff or police department.
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Thank you everyone. Posted it for sale.
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If you sell it before it gets registered to you in afs then you'll get a rejection notice that you sold it via PPT.
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If you sell it before it gets registered to you in afs then you'll get a rejection notice that you sold it via PPT.
It is not clear what is the meaning of this comment.
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It is not clear what is the meaning of this comment.
Order of operations:

1) new-resident submits registration, which takes n days.

2) before n days complete, new resident sells gun PPT; DROS filing takes minutes if that much

3) after n days, the DOJ process of the new resident registration notices the PPT and the new owner. 'Hey, new resident, you cannot register that gun, it belongs to Bob the Buyer'.

I haven't heard this is actually a problem. And, if the new resident filing is through CFARS, "n days" may be very small.
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The details only count after the Governor signs the bills.


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Never get advice from LEO or FFL employee about firearm related matters. Do your own due diligence. A fool who listens to a fool is twice damned.
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Order of operations:

1) new-resident submits registration, which takes n days.

2) before n days complete, new resident sells gun PPT; DROS filing takes minutes if that much

3) after n days, the DOJ process of the new resident registration notices the PPT and the new owner. 'Hey, new resident, you cannot register that gun, it belongs to Bob the Buyer'.

I haven't heard this is actually a problem. And, if the new resident filing is through CFARS, "n days" may be very small.
I don't think it is a problem, just a waste of some $.
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