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Old 09-04-2018, 8:21 AM
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I met with the undersheriff two weeks ago and they are full steam ahead on making the process better and continuing to issue.
And also, I think the most important part about your work is that you've developed a productive working relationship with the Sheriff's department... where you are helping to shape and move their department in the direction you want.
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Old 09-06-2018, 7:50 AM
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The question of why Gore has changed has come up.

Here is the story. San Diego County Gun Owners SDCGO launched in late 2015. From the start we focused on the Sheriff’s CCW policies and getting him to change them or elect someone who will.
In no particular order SDCGO:
- Spoke to Gore’s supporters, donors, friends, colleagues, and staff about what was wrong with his CCW policies.
- Interviewed on TV news, radio, and in print regarding Gore’s CCW policies
- We met with organizations that had endorsed him in the past and got them to withhold their endorsement due to his CCW policies
- Sent people to Gore’s fundraisers and speaking events to publicly criticize his CCW policies
- Met with Gore to complain about his polices
- Met with his opponent and helped him (a lot) craft his proposed CCW policy
- Raised money for his opponent and eventually endorsed his opponent
- Authored a resolution (letter from the city) for Santee stating that they, as a city, disagree with his CCW policy and want him to change it
- Got other elected officials on the federal and local level to meet with Gore and ask him to change his CCW polices. Some of this was made public and published in newspapers.
- Got the undersheriff in Orange County to talk to Gore about how successful their CCW program has been
This is most of what we did and in the end it worked. After Santee passed their resolution he called SDCGO and we spent last summer meeting with Gore’s staff. We asked for good cause to be “self defense” or “personal protection”. We did not get that. But what we got is better than it has been in decades.
Just about any good cause is approved, but the tricky part is you have to have proof. Gore was audited by the state and he doesn’t want a bad audit. So there has to be some kind of proof or backup showing your good cause is real.
Example:
Good cause – I’m a contractor and carry expensive tools to the job sight.
Proof – contractor’s license
Good cause – I hoke and camp often in San Diego’s back country.
Proof – pictures of you camping and a log book showing specifically where you go, how long, and what you bring.

I met with the undersheriff two weeks ago and they are full steam ahead on making the process better and continuing to issue. Last September there were around 1,100 CCWs issued in San Diego (not including judges and law enforcement). As of tonight there are 1682 (according to the counter added to the sheriff’s CCW webpage). Over 500 additional permits issued in just under a year. About a dozen have been turned down to background check issues (like finding a domestic violence conviction or recent DUI) and around 6 have been turned down due to their good cause statement. Mostly it was because they did not follow our instructions or refused to produce proof. I think they should have been granted a CCW, but I also think they would have been issued a permit had they followed our instructions.
They have hired more staff and I am trying to convince them to get the same software Orange County uses to run their program. SDCGO continues to fight back bureaucracy that has tried to creep into the system and we’ve been successful. It is NOT perfect…but we are continuing to make it better and we can hardly believe how much it has changed for the better.
Basically, most people in San Diego are about 16 sentences away from a CCW. It is real. It is happening. If you haven’t applied yet, you are missing out. There is a backlog and yes, that sucks. Call right now and make your appointment. Then take a few months while you wait for your first appointment to complete the application, write your good cause statement, get proof of your good cause, and take a few training classes on CA carry laws/lethal force laws.
I have given over 30 seminars (most were free) on how to get your CCW and what to write for your good cause. SDCGO has produced a video explaining how to apply and what to write for your good cause. We have produced a Good Cause Worksheet that walks you through each sentence. SDCGO has posted over 25 good cause statements that we know have been approved. All can be found on www.SDCGO.org/CCW

-Michael Schwartz
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Michael, you & SDCGO have obviously had extensive interactions with Gore and his CCW unit, both staff and LEOs. Can you answer a question I posed, IIRC, much earlier in this thread: Why was Gore willing to risk his job just to NOT readily issue CCWs to law-abiding citizens? He's a Repub in a conservative county -- he should have been Pro CCWs! He should have been on our side. Why did he HATE the idea of CCWers so much that he was willing to put his career on the line rather than issue CCWs to law-abiding citizens?

Even if he didn't care about our 2nd A RKBA (and CCWing being the only way to do that legally in CA), it still makes NO sense. 42 out of 50 states + D.C. are Shall Issue, don't have problems with CCWers and have never gone back to restrictive issuance. So even from a mere "policy"/public safety argument, Shall Issue/SD = GC has been shown to be a good policy nationwide.

Similarly, within CA 45 out of 58 counties liberally issue CCWs and none have ever gone back to restrictive issuance (other than OC temporarily when Hutchens first took office to clear out corruption). So again, from a "public safety"/policy perspective liberalized GC is a good policy.

Why did he fight against it for so long???

My question isn't rhetorical or stirring up trouble. In the SFBA we've got the same problem with Sheriff Smith in Santa Clara Co. She's a Repub. Santa Clara is majority Dem, but of all the SFBA counties, its majority is the smallest ("only" 24% more Dems than Repubs ). So any insights would be appreciated.
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Old 09-06-2018, 8:49 AM
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Michael, you & SDCGO have obviously had extensive interactions with Gore and his CCW unit, both staff and LEOs. Can you answer a question I posed, IIRC, much earlier in this thread: Why was Gore willing to risk his job just to NOT readily issue CCWs to law-abiding citizens? He's a Repub in a conservative county -- he should have been Pro CCWs! He should have been on our side. Why did he HATE the idea of CCWers so much that he was willing to put his career on the line rather than issue CCWs to law-abiding citizens?
I had a conversation with the old licensing manager about this roughly 15 years ago. The response was pretty much, "This has been the policy of the Sheriff's Department for years, it works for us." I really think there was a lot more bureaucratic inertia than active hostility in his position. I think that Mr. Schwartz was just so persistent that he was able to overcome that inertia
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I had my first interview this afternoon. The nice young lady who was helping me told me that people calling in today for their first interview appointment are being scheduled in MARCH.

So if you're at all thinking about trying to get your CCW...even if you haven't made your mind up yet and aren't sure...I would still call and make an appointment...NOW. You can always cancel or reschedule it later.

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Old 09-11-2018, 9:36 PM
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I had my first interview this afternoon. The nice young lady who was helping me told me that people calling in today for their first interview appointment are being scheduled in MARCH.

So if you're at all thinking about trying to get your CCW...even if you haven't made your mind up yet and aren't sure...I would still call and make an appointment...NOW. You can always cancel or reschedule it later.

Good luck!

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Ho-Lee-CRAP! Six months!
That is crazy, they have to start looking at streamlining something.
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Ho-Lee-CRAP! Six months!
That is crazy, they have to start looking at streamlining something.
Yup. But I'm pretty sure they won't. I'm trying to keep my cool with all of this but the further down the actual path I get, the more angry I get with respect to how unconstitutional this all is.
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:44 AM
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I had my first interview this afternoon. The nice young lady who was helping me told me that people calling in today for their first interview appointment are being scheduled in MARCH.

So if you're at all thinking about trying to get your CCW...even if you haven't made your mind up yet and aren't sure...I would still call and make an appointment...NOW. You can always cancel or reschedule it later.

Good luck!

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I just received a SD CCW.

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So after you get the approval letter, how does it work?
You schedule your training, get that done, and how quick can you get the appointment to provide the proof of training and pick up your CCW?
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So after you get the approval letter, how does it work?
You schedule your training, get that done, and how quick can you get the appointment to provide the proof of training and pick up your CCW?

Yes, They will provide instructions and lists of training instructors.
Schedule training of your choosing.
Once you completed, You have 30 days from the date of approval letter, call the clerk that handles your application to come down SDSO office to pay the rest of the fees and pick up your permit.

Mine was within a week. I finished training on Saturday, called following Monday, picked my permit on Wednesday.


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Yes, They will provide instructions and lists of training instructors.
Schedule training of your choosing.
Once you completed, You have 30 days from the date of approval letter, call the clerk that handles your application to come down SDSO office to pay the rest of the fees and pick up your permit.

Mine was within a week. I finished training on Saturday, called following Monday, picked my permit on Wednesday.


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I got my approval letter today!!! Well yesterday, but nobody checked the mail.


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Paladin, a friend of mine got his same day, we did our interviews within a few days if each other.

Neither of us know the sheriff or have donated to his election. We were both cautiously optimistic.
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Paladin, a friend of mine got his same day, we did our interviews within a few days if each other.

Neither of us know the sheriff or have donated to his election. We were both cautiously optimistic.
How far into the 90 day wait did you get the approval letter?
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How far into the 90 day wait did you get the approval letter?

Almost all 90. Saturday was 85, or so.
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Iíll be at the SDCGO CCW Seminar this Thursday to get the process started!


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Just got my approval letter. 77 days total.
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Almost all 90. Saturday was 85, or so.
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Just got my approval letter. 77 days total.
Cool thanks, I'm about halfway through my wait. Hopefully they are speeding things up!
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If you didn't see my posting above, call and make your appointment ASAP. They're scheduling about 6 months out at this point so you've got plenty of time.
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