What malfunction caused this ND

[alexinc]

N/A

[theLBC]

brain

[madjack956]

That was bizarre. Can't wait to hear the final verdict on this.

Although it appeared he did everything to properly clear the gun, he never looked at the chamber to
verify it was clear.

Ignored a couple of the golden rules.

Always treat a gun as if it is loaded.
Never aim at anything you are not willing to destroy.

[Spyder]

Extractors fail too.

[boopiejones]

The guy seems like an idiot to me. He flagged his buddy multiple times with the silver gun and then seemed to be having an awful lot of trouble trying to show clear on his own carry gun. A gun which he presumably carries and clears on a daily basis.

I’m not sure he ever got the round out of the chamber. He dropped the mag and then fiddled with the slide a bunch and eventually stuck his finger in the trigger guard and shot his friend.

[CWL]

Originally Posted by Spyder

Extractors fail too.

That's what I was thinking, but it looks like he ejected the one in the pipe and put the loose bullet on the table.

The vid is so unclear to see.

[Crumble619]

I'm guessing when he dropped the mag, the top round of the mag fell out but stayed in the mag well. When he did his half-assed job of racking the slide, the round fell out of the mag well and he assumed that was the chambered round. Then he fumbled around with a loaded gun until his dumb *** pulled the trigger. That's the only explanation I can think of that makes any sense.

[alks207]

Probably ETOH malfunction. Hope his buddy's okay

[Spyder]

I agree he was a f'ing bitch idiot. (Can we still use the B word? )

[one9kilo]

I'm confused. He dropped the mag and set it on the table then proceeds to clear the chamber. A round is then placed on the table which I assumed was the chambered round.

Wth happened here? Obviously there was a round in the chamber when if fired so he either chambered a new round or never extracted the first one.

If it was the former, how? The mag was already out. If it was the latter, where did the round on the table come from.

Crumble's theory is really possible, but wouldn't the loose round just drop out from the bottom?

Crazy. I know its an ND but this is borderline AD imo.

[tabascoz28]

Translated: Then, according to the note, a bullet stuck in the ammunition chamber. The partner "tried to get the ammunition out of the chamber three more times, at which point the gun accidentally went off, bouncing off the club counter twice and shooting his friend in the abdomen." The club claims that it accompanied the victim to the hospital and has since provided all assistance.

I'm guessing the finger was on the trigger, you can see him short stroking the slide. Also pointed in the wrong direction. Should have taken the malfunctioning gun into the range when a live round is "stuck" in the chamber.

[OCEquestrian]

What caused the ND? Simple...a moron with a gun, and an appendix carry "operator" to boot...LMAO

[Vinnie Boombatz]

What malfunction caused this ND?

Brain malfunction.

[MarikinaMan]

First malfunction, that not a safe fiddle zone. Why do they allow monkeying around with live ammo on the counter?

Second, if you are clearing a firearm, check the chamber. Lock it back, insert your finger in there and make sure its empty.

[Spyder]

Originally Posted by one9kilo

Crazy. I know its an ND but this is borderline AD imo.

Not even kinda.

[Sir Toast]

I think that hottie to his left distracted him. She's to blame.

[Wordupmybrotha]

Those two guys were flagging each other and themselves the entire time leading up to the negligent discharge.

[faris1984]

stupid probably showing off, no reason to take your carry gun out and assemble it, he didnt look if the chamber empty.

[k1dude]

Broke a whole bunch of rules.

1. Didn't know what hell he was doing.

2. Always treat a weapon as if it's loaded.

3. Didn't keep it pointed in a safe direction.

4. Booger hook on the switch the whole time.

5. Don't try to clear a jammed weapon unless it's at a safe work table.

6. If you don't know what you're doing, ask for help from someone who does know what they're doing.

[therealnickb]

Originally Posted by alexinc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxc4nJHpLHQ

News Article

This was a video that made front page of Reddit. However, this video is the unedited one - the one on Reddit had an edit.

What I can gather, he pulls out his own concealed carry, takes out the magazine, racks the slide and puts the round on the counter. Then attempts to rack the slide again (stuck?) and pulls the trigger.

Confused because it looks like he he took out a chambered round but another round was chambered?

Never fully racked it.

This is why you don’t mindlessly rack rack rack to clear a weapon.

Drop the mag. Lock it back. Inspect.

[golfish]

Either one of them had a mask on......

[Ivan275]

Sure he F ed up. Sure he did things wrong. But what I would like to know is how the round ended up in the chamber after he took out a mag, held the gun with the magwell pointing downish and cleared the round out of the chamber. Where was the round stuck with the gun being in battery? How did it not fall out after the mag came out or the slide was pulled back?

I can do this easy with the gun upside down but the way he did???

[boopiejones]

Originally Posted by Ivan275

Sure he F ed up. Sure he did things wrong. But what I would like to know is how the round ended up in the chamber after he took out a mag, held the gun with the magwell pointing downish and cleared the round out of the chamber. Where was the round stuck with the gun being in battery? How did it not fall out after the mag came out or the slide was pulled back?

I can do this easy with the gun upside down but the way he did???

I’m not convinced he ever pulled the slide all the way back and cleared the round out of the chamber. It looks like he places two rounds on the counter, but it’s not clear to me where they came from. After placing the second round on the counter, he was pointing to the ejection port, which seems to imply that he knew there was still a round in the chamber. Then he tried to muscle the slide while holding the gun in an unsafe direction and ended up curling his finger into the trigger guard.

[Skip_Dog]

Maybe a double feed when loaded it else where. He seems to short stroke it a lot. Maybe tried to press check after loading and stroked it a bit to much. I hope his buddy is ok, but that guy was an idiot. Both of them flagged each other and the guy at the counter many times.

[hambam105]

Index finger on the trigger maybe? Nawh. Can't be that obvious.

[monkeyfish]

Was he possibly trying to show the friend how to field strip it? Incorrectly of course.

[Donny1]

Lack of gun handling safety, period. Same reason for most/all ND. So many fails in such a short period of time. I knew better than this when I was 10.

This just gives anti gunners a reason/justification to not want CCW. And to some point I agree. In SB County the only requirements were shoot 5, reload, shoot five, at a distance just a few yards. I saw a few people that had to have help and pointers to qualify. I seriously doubt they would do anything but a panic mag dump in a crisis. Example, guy in this video.

All the fee's and requirements are the problem with CCW, enough training not to shoot yourself or your buddy standing next to you is not unreasonable.

[Donny1]

Originally Posted by OCEquestrian

What caused the ND? Simple...a moron with a gun, and an appendix carry "operator" to boot...LMAO

Firstly, I'm one of the "never appendix carry" crowd. And, please change "operator" to "Village Idiot", lol.

[tabascoz28]

Again, when I let my browser translate it, the article said that these numb nuts got a round stuck in the chamber. Then in trying to eject multiple times it finally went off, probably because the dude had to use more grip force and put his finger on the trigger or maybe it had a hammer and after short stroking, it fell on the primer.

This was in Brazil, they have expanded their gun rights policy recently. There might be a correlation between more guns being sold and more idiots not practicing basic gun safety procedures.

[naz]

Originally Posted by alexinc

pulls the trigger.

That’s what caused the Nd.

[jcourson]

Originally Posted by boopiejones

A gun which he presumably carries and clears on a daily basis.

Why would you clear your carry gun daily? That's just begging for bullet setback.
Holster to night stand to holster. Rinse and repeat.

[9Cal_OC]

Originally Posted by jcourson

Why would you clear your carry gun daily? That's just begging for bullet setback.
Holster to night stand to holster. Rinse and repeat.

Yeah
Only needed when cleaning or shooting FMJ at the range.

[Usmc0844spare]

Originally Posted by tabascoz28

There might be a correlation between more guns being sold and more idiots not practicing basic gun safety procedures.

Coming soon to a range near you!

[steadyrock]

Originally Posted by tabascoz28

Again, when I let my browser translate it, the article said that these numb nuts got a round stuck in the chamber. Then in trying to eject multiple times it finally went off, probably because the dude had to use more grip force and put his finger on the trigger or maybe it had a hammer and after short stroking, it fell on the primer.

This was in Brazil, they have expanded their gun rights policy recently. There might be a correlation between more guns being sold and more idiots not practicing basic gun safety procedures.

^^THAT is why I haven’t been to an indoor range since COVID began!


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[Donnovin]

He wanted to shoot him. Sleight of hand and bank shot off the counter. He was trying to rub him out so he could move in on the hottie.

[G-forceJunkie]

No malifunction. Pull trigger of a loaded gun= bang.

[dozer wright]

Saw a guy Drop the mag , and rapid rack a pistol idiotic fast. No visual inspection.
Pulled the trigger Bang luckily he was pointing at the floor of the Ffl . His boss was pissed.

[broadside]

First off, he was not AIWB, he pulls from 3 o'clock.

The finger on the trigger is need to pull the trigger after short stroking the slide to release the pressure on the take down buttons to let the slide come off.

What this guy did wrong was not visually inspect the chamber was empty. He assumed because he had a loose round in his hand.

However, if you look at his actions, he pulls the mag and puts it on the table. Then he rotates the gun and extracts the chambered round with the gun still muzzle down so any round that could have fallen out of the mag stayed in the grip and got chambered.

At least is what it looks like to me

[MarikinaMan]

[Redeyedrider]

I saw a gun shop counter guy (processing a PPT) last week. Looked to be a DEagle. Cleared the gun, closed the chamber, then while still cocked (on a closed chamber) point the gun at his stomach and start typing in the gun information, all parties were seated.......

I stepped in between the couple at the counter and said "look out for that muzzle".

He said, "what".

I said, "you have a cocked pistol pointing at your stomach".

He basically replied back with a smartass "thanks a lot" .

I kinda felt like an a**, but it was just instinct...... Like when you see a kid about to reach up to a hot stove top.

Plus, I had literally just watched this same video that day, and was thinking exactly about that.