Clearing malfunctions with a maglocked rifle that doesn?t have bolt hold back

[protohyp]

Hey guys.

I have had this for a while but decided to finally release it here on CG only.

DISCLAIMER. We all know featureless is ?better? and since it is no need to turn this into a 9mm vs .45 thread

So please check out the video below.

As we know there is no way to release the pressure on a magazine in a maglocked rifle that doesn?t have bolt hold back and resorting to unsafe methods to clear malfunctions is not the answer.

I?ve created the Magic Magazine 10/30 that allows you to do so. It actually may be as fast as clearing a malfunction in a standard free state rifle provided you take the time to understand the method and practice.

Anyway. Here it is. Message me for details.

https://youtu.be/6zmZxt-X5Bs?si=ABWD_-NQNYftgJD-




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[FNGGlock]

I just use a 10rd PMag on maglocked ARs, this way I can simply drop the baseplate which has the added benefit to drop the rounds out at the bottom (like dropping the mag).

This looks handy to relieve the mag pressure, which will help to clear rounds out the ejection port. Also good for use with taller mags, the 10rd shorties simply doesn't feel as good to work with as the 20/30 mags.

I am trying an AR Maglock with Kingpin on one AR setup, as it allows to keep the BCG locked backed while dropping the mag. Will need some more testing though, as it is a bit sticky to open the action sometimes.

[BrokerB]

I can hear the sound of Talladega Nights.... Shake and Bake!!


Magic Man!!!

Good luck on the future sales.

I run a kingpin and armaglock set up. This whole deal of magazine locks is abhorrent. I do really enjoy the handyness of an ar pistol though : )

FJB and his treasonous crew

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by BrokerB

I can hear the sound of Talladega Nights.... Shake and Bake!!


Magic Man!!!

Good luck on the future sales.

I run a kingpin and armaglock set up. This whole deal of magazine locks is abhorrent. I do really enjoy the handyness of an ar pistol though : )

FJB and his treasonous crew

Absolutely Agree. I hate having to design something like the Kingpin and the different generations of the Maglock but if I had actually designed them when the bullet button first came out I would've been using them for the past 10 years over the bullet button!

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by FNGGlock

I just use a 10rd PMag on maglocked ARs, this way I can simply drop the baseplate which has the added benefit to drop the rounds out at the bottom (like dropping the mag).

This looks handy to relieve the mag pressure, which will help to clear rounds out the ejection port. Also good for use with taller mags, the 10rd shorties simply doesn't feel as good to work with as the 20/30 mags.

I am trying an AR Maglock with Kingpin on one AR setup, as it allows to keep the BCG locked backed while dropping the mag. Will need some more testing though, as it is a bit sticky to open the action sometimes.

Check the AR Maglock YouTube page. I put a lot of videos up there on troubleshooting the Kingpin and Maglock system.

[BrokerB]

I didn't realize at first Im using your stuff!

It runs as flawless as it can being an additional device on gimped semi autos. It has run very well on my 80% . Thank you)

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by BrokerB

I didn't realize at first Im using your stuff!

It runs as flawless as it can being an additional device on gimped semi autos. It has run very well on my 80% . Thank you)

Thats a great report. It can be finicky on some guns especially cerakoted guns. It takes some patience to set up sometimes but once it is its pretty reliable.

[protohyp]

also forgot to mention they're only available for AR15 not AR10/.308 unfortunately.

[FNGGlock]

Originally Posted by protohyp

Check the AR Maglock YouTube page. I put a lot of videos up there on troubleshooting the Kingpin and Maglock system.

I didn't state the issue correctly. The action opens fine with the bolt locked back, it the Maglock that can be sticky sometime. The Aero lower seems to a have a little wiggle on the maglock that can cause it to hit the upper a little sometimes. Will be able to give it a thorough testing in the field in a couple of weeks to see how things shake out, so far seems like a good solution for a maglocked AR.

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by FNGGlock

I didn't state the issue correctly. The action opens fine with the bolt locked back, it the Maglock that can be sticky sometime. The Aero lower seems to a have a little wiggle on the maglock that can cause it to hit the upper a little sometimes. Will be able to give it a thorough testing in the field in a couple of weeks to see how things shake out, so far seems like a good solution for a maglocked AR.

Yeah...I have so many years of practice with the system that it takes a while to get it set up but it LOVES a broken in rifle. You can choose to either shoot it more for that break in period or slightly and slowly sand the larger portion of the wedge tab at the end of the maglock (the part that sandwiches between the receiver). Aero's are pretty good tight tolerance plus the anodizing rubbing causes it to stick a little. Either way give us a report back.

Also for my liking I tend to bias the maglock slightly lower because my finger tends to push up slightly so when I press the kingpin it just slides into the slot and drops the mag easily.

[SunnySky]

Great idea. Just wonder how likely the string is accidentally pulled during shooting. Will that cause the rifle to stop shooting?

[Reno-Kid]

Kudos, brillant idea. Maglocks are indeed a trouble spot with jams.

[morrcarr67]

That's cool. But here's the $64.99 question, how much do they cost? and do they act as the locking device too? Or would someone still need to get some kind of mag lock?

The reason I ask this $64.99 question is that the Compmag cost $64.99 and works as the locking device. It does the same thing as yours does and seems to be a good option too.

I don't own any fixed mag rifles for the reason you made your mag and Compmag made theirs. But it would be interesting to hear how much your total solution would run.

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by SunnySky

Great idea. Just wonder how likely the string is accidentally pulled during shooting. Will that cause the rifle to stop shooting?

its unlikely to happen unless you're shooting in competition shooting through barriers but I think most would prefer to run featureless for that purpose.

also if you have that one joker friend that you shoot with that always gives you crap I can see him pulling on the string just to mess with you.

me personally I love malfunctions. Problem solving is my thing so the more I encounter the more I increase my skills for solving them.

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by Reno-Kid

Kudos, brillant idea. Maglocks are indeed a trouble spot with jams.

thank you. I truly believe you're 100% correct but I also believe it has more to do with lack of understanding on how to handle the firearm. Its unfortunate because most people have a perfectly functioning rifle that is maglocked but one fumble and they're over it. I get it. It isn't perfect but it takes practice but more so understanding.



When you have someone going in that has a good understanding on how the firearm functions they tend to fumble less but with someone that this is their first rifle trying to copy some of the things they see on the internet?....forget it. I have a video of Reno May using the system for the first time and his performance was flawless both with mag changes and malfunctions but its clear he understands the platform. If you have instagram here is the video.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuXXe...RlODBiNWFlZA==

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ca-ENHp...RlODBiNWFlZA==

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by morrcarr67

That's cool. But here's the $64.99 question, how much do they cost? and do they act as the locking device too? Or would someone still need to get some kind of mag lock?

The reason I ask this $64.99 question is that the Compmag cost $64.99 and works as the locking device. It does the same thing as yours does and seems to be a good option too.

I don't own any fixed mag rifles for the reason you made your mag and Compmag made theirs. But it would be interesting to hear how much your total solution would run.

It isn't a maglock device because its designed for those that already have maglocks and most dont have bolt holdback retained nor do they have the ability to drop magazines with the bolt held back. There are possibly hundreds of thousands of those types of guns out there and there a ton of people still fumbling with malfunctions with no safe way to clear it.

I believe compmag is perfect for a bench shooter that is perfectly comfortable sitting behind a bench plinking out at distance but some people love working manipulations and dropping mags. Theres no way around it.

A single mag is 22.00 + shipping and each additional mag is 20.00. I hope this answers your 64.99 question

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by protohyp

It isn't a maglock device because its designed for those that already have maglocks and most dont have bolt holdback retained nor do they have the ability to drop magazines with the bolt held back. There are possibly hundreds of thousands of those types of guns out there and there a ton of people still fumbling with malfunctions with no safe way to clear it.

I believe compmag is perfect for a bench shooter that is perfectly comfortable sitting behind a bench plinking out at distance but some people love working manipulations and dropping mags. Theres no way around it.

A single mag is 22.00 + shipping and each additional mag is 20.00. I hope this answers your 64.99 question

It does, thank you. I think you have a great product at a good price for those with mag locks installed. I wish you the best with your business venture.

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by morrcarr67

It does, thank you. I think you have a great product at a good price for those with mag locks installed. I wish you the best with your business venture.

Thank you. Appreciate it.


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[BigPimping]

It?s saddens me that we have to go through all this stupidity here in California. Maybe, someday these terrible laws will go away. I doubt it will be in my lifetime.

[OCEquestrian]

Don't bet your life on a mag-locked rifle without a bolt holdback. Problem solved!

[Angrysnarf]

Doesn?t kingpin let you do that?

[Barang]

Originally Posted by BigPimping

It?s saddens me that we have to go through all this stupidity here in California. Maybe, someday these terrible laws will go away. I doubt it will be in my lifetime.

no go bp as long as dems are in control of this commie state. the constant court battle is endless.

[Darklyte27]

Originally Posted by SunnySky

Great idea. Just wonder how likely the string is accidentally pulled during shooting. Will that cause the rifle to stop shooting?

Not something I would want to use in a Life or death situation. Id suggest for range use only.
Say you are in a situation, you go to raise your rifle and that string loop snags on something, you cant aim your rifle properly and now you only have 1 shot because the spring is being held back and next rounds dont feed.

The dumb laws causing more problems then solutions.

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by Angrysnarf

Doesn?t kingpin let you do that?

you would be correct with the Gen 2 or 4 with the Kingpin but Gen 1 and Gen 3 doesn't allow you to clear with bolt back as well as the many other fixed mag options out there so this product is for them.

[protohyp]

Originally Posted by Darklyte27

Not something I would want to use in a Life or death situation. Id suggest for range use only.
Say you are in a situation, you go to raise your rifle and that string loop snags on something, you cant aim your rifle properly and now you only have 1 shot because the spring is being held back and next rounds dont feed.

The dumb laws causing more problems then solutions.

If it came down to it in a fight I'd take anything that goes bang. heck I'd even take a musket. The reason that something can go bad is not a reason not to use it in a fight. That is why we train expedience in malfunction clearing and solving problems. Heck I had my rifle sling catch my featureless rifle from transition perfectly on the mag release and it dropped the mag. What does that tell you about running even the most reliable thing? Most untrained shooters will stare at a rifle wondering what the hell is going on. Those that know...know what to do and how to problem solve.

But I get what you're saying. Choose the most reliable that is in your arsenal but if I have a rifle that goes boom in front of me at that moment and I needed it I'm using it.

[Angrysnarf]

Originally Posted by protohyp

you would be correct with the Gen 2 or 4 with the Kingpin but Gen 1 and Gen 3 doesn't allow you to clear with bolt back as well as the many other fixed mag options out there so this product is for them.

Yup I got the gen 4 and kingpin on the way