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Same here.
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The school restriction would especially bother me if I had school age children to pick up/drop off every day. Also, they're out of the credit card style permits that fit in the wallet. But, you can fold and laminate the paper doc they give you. When I showed it to my wife, she thought it was a temporary, or I had 'made it myself'. I don't care.... I'm legal... Last edited by User21c; 01-02-2012 at 5:40 PM.. |
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It is my understanding that you CANNOT laminate the paper document. Everyone at the Sheriff's office, on Calguns, and every CCW trainer has always made it very clear to me that you CANNOT laminate your license to carry.
With Respect to the School Restriction still being on that paper you sign, that's what I keep hearing... I've also spoken to a couple of people who've asked the Sheriff's office about that restriction and they seem to think that there IS in fact still a school restriction. Maybe people are misinformed? I don't know... Until I see something official directly from them such as a paper they hand me (or can mail to me)...
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Both the Records Department in EDSO, and an attorney fiend of mine stated that you ARE in fact able to laminate (and fold) THE ORIGINAL document. The exception is if you have additional weapons on the back of the permit, that would be obscured by folding.
You must always present the original, as copies or the credit-card style card are NOT acceptable to LE. The lamination clause is actually specified in the statute regarding CCW permit issue..... You can find it if you Google. |
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Googled for ya...
California Penal Code Section 12051(a) (1) The standard application form for licenses described in paragraph (3) shall require information from the applicant including, but not limited to, the name, occupation, residence and business address of the applicant, his or her age, height, weight, color of eyes and hair, and reason for desiring a license to carry the weapon. Applications for licenses shall be filed in writing, and signed by the applicant. Any license issued upon the application shall set forth the licensee's name, occupation, residence and business address, his or her age, height, weight, color of eyes and hair, the reason for desiring a license to carry the weapon, and shall, in addition, contain a description of the weapon or weapons authorized to be carried, giving the name of the manufacturer, the serial number, and the caliber. The license issued to the licensee may be laminated. (2) Applications for amendments to licenses shall be filed in writing and signed by the applicant, and shall state what type of amendment is sought pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 12050 and the reason for desiring the amendment. (3) (A) Applications for amendments to licenses, applications for licenses, amendments to licenses, and licenses shall be uniform throughout the state, upon forms to be prescribed by the Attorney General. The Attorney General shall convene a committee composed of one representative of the California State Sheriffs' Association, one representative of the California Police Chiefs' Association, and one representative of the Department of Justice to review, and as deemed appropriate, revise the standard application form for licenses. The committee shall meet for this purpose if two of the committee's members deem that necessary. The application shall include a section summarizing the statutory provisions of state law that result in the automatic denial of a license. (B) The forms shall contain a provision whereby the applicant attests to the truth of statements contained in the application. (C) An applicant shall not be required to complete any additional application or form for a license, or to provide any information other than that necessary to complete the standard application form described in subparagraph (A), except to clarify or interpret information provided by the applicant on the standard application form. (D) The standard application form described in subparagraph (A) is deemed to be a local form expressly exempt from the requirements of the Administrative Procedures Act, Chapter 3.5 (commencing with Section 11340) of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of the Government Code. (b) Any person who files an application required by subdivision (a) knowing that statements contained therein are false is guilty of a misdemeanor. (c) Any person who knowingly makes a false statement on the application regarding any of the following shall be guilty of a felony: (1) The denial or revocation of a license, or the denial of an amendment to a license, issued pursuant to Section 12050. (2) A criminal conviction. (3) A finding of not guilty by reason of insanity. (4) The use of a controlled substance. (5) A dishonorable discharge from military service. (6) A commitment to a mental institution. (7) A renunciation of United States citizenship. Last edited by User21c; 01-02-2012 at 6:47 PM.. |
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BTW, congrats on your permit!
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Exactly..... I folded my permit in half, then had it laminated.... That way, it fits in the wallet. (essentially, it becomes a 2 sided, half size permit)
If I had additional weapons listed, they'd be obscured forever! Thanks for the congrats on the license... It seemed like a long time waiting... |
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1 Corinthians 2:2 "Orwell was an Optimist" - Cali-Glock "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." - Mal Reynolds Freedom Week: March 29-April 6, 2019 // Freedom Day: April 23-24, 2020 - Thank you, Judge Benitez! NRA - Endowment Member // CRPA - Life Member (Disclaimer: Everything I write is fiction. I am just here to try out ideas for my to-be-written great-American-novel.) |
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Checked the PC and while it does say it can be laminated, I will not considering the number of times I've been told not to. Legal or not, it doesn't mean you wont be pushed into a pile of manure over someones misunderstanding of the PC.
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Wes, Any update on this? It's been quite a while. Has the Good Sherriff responded?
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No update on the School Zone question (at least not from me), but I just called to schedule my appointment. The soonest they could get me in was March 5th.
So almost a month. The individual I spoke with in the records office, was very friendly and stressed that the only good cause you need is personal protection. She was almost breathless about it. The three characters letters are no longer required.
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My appt was last Friday. The clerk went over the application to make sure everything was in order. When she got to the reason for the CCW, before I could answer she said "Personal Protection"..
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Just saw this in the Georgetown Gazzette -
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Time line starts now.
I met with Peggy yesterday, went over app. Took picture & finger prints. She said the detectives are about 6 weeks out right now. They will call when the detectives are finished, and i'll come down for part 2. Dropped off app 3/2/12 |
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Adding a gun
I have an appointment to add a third gun to my El Dorado LTC; couldn't find out to much on the Sherrif's website. What do I need to bring with me? I was planning to bring my DROS, check book as well as my current LTC & ID.
Anything else I need? |
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Thats what I've heard...
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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"CA PC 26175(i) - Any license issued upon the application shall set forth the licensee's name, occupation, residence and business address, the licensee's age, height, weight, color of eyes and hair, and the reason for desiring a license to carry the weapon, and shall, in addition, contain a description of the weapon or weapons authorized to be carried, giving the name of the manufacturer, the serial number, and the caliber. The license issued to the licensee may be laminated."I typically share this code section in every CCW class. I apologize, Dustin, if I failed to do so in your course.
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The standardized CA DOJ CCW application form that Brandon has listed a link to above requires everything that CA PC 26175(i) requires and also has a field for the model number of each gun. This is really what every Police and Sheriff's Department that I'm approved by requires.
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Wesley Lagomarsino, CA CCW Instructor - Alameda, Amador, Calaveras, El Dorado, Nevada, Placer, Plumas, Sacramento, San Joaquin, Shasta, Yolo, Yuba, the Cities of Davis, Galt, Ione, Jackson, Lodi, Manteca, Ripon, Stockton and Tracy ... and many more to come ... and Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada, Maine, Oregon, Utah, Virginia & Washington www.LFIguns.com - serving Sacramento, Reno, the Central Valley, Foot Hills and Bay Area |
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You're correct that it has been quite a while. There is an update but, I have to wait to post anything about it until it actually happens. I gave my word. I know you've been waiting patiently. Please continue. Sheriff D'Agostini shares the same views as you and I on this issue. It's just a bit more complex from his point of view than it is from ours.
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Wesley Lagomarsino, CA CCW Instructor - Alameda, Amador, Calaveras, El Dorado, Nevada, Placer, Plumas, Sacramento, San Joaquin, Shasta, Yolo, Yuba, the Cities of Davis, Galt, Ione, Jackson, Lodi, Manteca, Ripon, Stockton and Tracy ... and many more to come ... and Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada, Maine, Oregon, Utah, Virginia & Washington www.LFIguns.com - serving Sacramento, Reno, the Central Valley, Foot Hills and Bay Area |
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Just a quick update. I went in for my appointment with the filled out form Brandon linked. 5 minutes latter I walked out with an updated LTC. No charge.
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Just think of it as a Panel style Job Interview, in front of a Jury, while being Video Taped, and a BP cuff on your sleeve.... Have your pistol's serial numbers memorized, and be prepared to explain everything in your application under intense scrutiny.... Other than that, No worries. Enjoy.
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HAHA
Thanks. I'm getting past the nervous. Now the excitement that this is almost a reality is coming to the top. I've been carrying around my property (breaking in my Crossbreed) for the last two weekends. It feels a little funny to walk around with out my CW9 now. |
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Interview was good. Simple questions; straight forward answers. I'm signed up for Wes' course. Looking forward to that
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Question : Credit Card style licences and weapon "adds"
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Has anyone here added/removed a weapon recently from their CCW? If so, did they update your "souvenir" plastic license card also? I was told that because those cards aren't legal anyway, that they don't update the weapon list on the back of them. Are they still issuing the plastic cards? Or are they "paper only" now? |
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Response to CMartin72's question on Juvenile Crimes
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'list all crimes", not just the ones committed since age 18/21. Unless you are 100% absolutely sure that your juvenile crime record has been "sealed", (not expunged, excused or dismissed), you should list it. The detective will know about it based on your background check in most cases. Being dishonest is far worse than a minor crime comitted decades ago in your youth. You should list it, and then you will have a chance to explain it... I don't know your age, but if it was a LONG time ago, they will take that into consideration. Certain crimes will blacklist you forever, but most will not. Good luck. |
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User21, I'll pick mine up in a couple weeks and let you know, if no one beats me to it.
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I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. ~Albert Einstein~ |
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Cmartin; I too would list it. The detective was very thorough. I had no skeletons to hide but their background reveals ALL.
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I added a gun to my LTC about 2 weeks ago. They updated the paper only LTC.
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I just read that at 38 the records are destroyed, I just turned 40. I guess I will just list them and see what happens. Either A) They will find I'm not a good candidate due to my juvenile short comings, or B) If I don't list them and they find it, I will surely be denied. Either way will have same outcome. Or....It won't matter and I get it. My initial appt. is for April 23rd, I'll post in here how it all turns out.
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The detailed records are sometimes destroyed at age 38, depending on the severity of the crime.... However, the offense is still part of your RAP sheet. They just can't go back to the detailed records. Those are often destroyed for space purposes, as many jurisdiactions weren't computerized at that time.
The listing of the actual offense though (and the current/latest disposition).... that sticks around indefinitely in your criminal history. If it was actually classified as "sealed" though, it won't be visible at the level of search that the DOJ uses for LiveScans and CCW. (But it's still there...) |
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