Removing spouse as joint registrant from BB-RAWs?

[glug]

My wife and I are both in agreement that we should remove her name as a joint registrant of my bullet button registered assault weapons. I am the primary registrant.

What is the process for making that happen? Is it as simple as her filling out and submitting a BOF 4546? Or is there a way to do it through her CFARS account?

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by glug

My wife and I are both in agreement that we should remove her name as a joint registrant of my bullet button registered assault weapons. I am the primary registrant.

What is the process for making that happen? Is it as simple as her filling out and submitting a BOF 4546? Or is there a way to do it through her CFARS account?

It is not possible.

The current deregistraion process requires the firearm to be rendered into a non-assault weapon or transferred to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit or transferred through an out-of-state FFL dealer or surrendered to law enforcement for destruction or moved to another State due to the registered owner becoming a resident of that State.

Currently, the only process for a joint registrant to be removed from an active RAW record, is for the joint registrant to move to another State and become a resident of that State.

[glug]

What are people supposed to do in the event of a divorce then? If one person wants to keep them, do both joint registrants need to stay on it?

[hermosabeach]

I’d contract the DOJ via email.

You absolutely need a paper trail.

There is a no longer in possession of form that spouse could complete.

Before I would do that, I would email the DOJ

I’m also not sure they will reply

My doj experience is they reply and ask for your phone #
Then they never call

[RickD427]

Originally Posted by glug

What are people supposed to do in the event of a divorce then? If one person wants to keep them, do both joint registrants need to stay on it?

They do nothing in the event of a divorce.

The "Registration" of an Assault Weapon is unrelated to the "Ownership" of the weapon.

In the event of a divorce, the laws of the state will determine who gets ownership of the Assault Weapon. The only "benefit" that the non-owning former spouse retains from the joint registration is the ability to possess it under the conditions listed in the Assault Weapon statute.

[BAJ475]

Originally Posted by Quiet

It is not possible.

The current deregistraion process requires the firearm to be rendered into a non-assault weapon or transferred to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit or transferred through an out-of-state FFL dealer or surrendered to law enforcement for destruction or moved to another State due to the registered owner becoming a resident of that State.

Currently, the only process for a joint registrant to be removed from an active RAW record, is for the joint registrant to move to another State and become a resident of that State.

OK. So, because both my wife and I moved to Idaho and became Idaho residents, we can have our joint RBBAW registrations removed? Would it help if I sent CADOJ their BBs with a note that they are suppositories? If I am correctly following CADOJ regulations, removal and replacement of their BBs with standard mag releases should have automatically transformed them into unregistered status.

[glug]

Originally Posted by RickD427

They do nothing in the event of a divorce.

The "Registration" of an Assault Weapon is unrelated to the "Ownership" of the weapon.

In the event of a divorce, the laws of the state will determine who gets ownership of the Assault Weapon. The only "benefit" that the non-owning former spouse retains from the joint registration is the ability to possess it under the conditions listed in the Assault Weapon statute.

I guess the question is less about ownership and more about liability. What if the former spouse gives up any ownership interest and simply no longer wants their name attached to something like a BB-RAW that is no longer in their possession? Are you saying that is simply not possible?

[Tractionavant]

[RickD427]

Originally Posted by glug

I guess the question is less about ownership and more about liability. What if the former spouse gives up any ownership interest and simply no longer wants their name attached to something like a BB-RAW that is no longer in their possession? Are you saying that is simply not possible?

I'm not familiar with DOJ's administrative policies on the question. There is nothing in statute that permits such a change in documentation.

As to the "having name attached to..." issue, you gotta remember that the Automated Firearms System is maintains historical records of firearms transactions. It is not a current registry. All the AFS tells someone is that on date XX, a particular person(s) registered an Assault Weapon. That's all it says.

[M1NM]

Originally Posted by hermosabeach

I’d contract the DOJ via email.

Contact them often via phone. Each answer you get will be different. Keep calling until you get the answer you want.

[SVT-40]

Originally Posted by BAJ475

OK. So, because both my wife and I moved to Idaho and became Idaho residents, we can have our joint RBBAW registrations removed? Would it help if I sent CADOJ their BBs with a note that they are suppositories? If I am correctly following CADOJ regulations, removal and replacement of their BBs with standard mag releases should have automatically transformed them into unregistered status.

No can do...

If you want to update a historical record all that will do is give Cal DOJ your new address.

Do nothing. If you're out of Ca F them. CA laws no longer apply to you.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by BAJ475

OK. So, because both my wife and I moved to Idaho and became Idaho residents, we can have our joint RBBAW registrations removed? Would it help if I sent CADOJ their BBs with a note that they are suppositories? If I am correctly following CADOJ regulations, removal and replacement of their BBs with standard mag releases should have automatically transformed them into unregistered status.

Once you move to Idaho, you and wife's registrations make no difference to your new state, and you can remove the California stupidity parts and get back to having normal guns. You no longer need to worry about or conform to CADOJ's regulations.

Not sure if California transforms them into unregistered status, but no f's given once you're in a very free state.

Welcome to Idaho.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by BAJ475

OK. So, because both my wife and I moved to Idaho and became Idaho residents, we can have our joint RBBAW registrations removed?

Yes, however, deregistration due to becoming a resident of another State does not erase/eliminate the firearm's registration info, it just removes the RAW status and updates the database with your new out-of-state contact info (address, phone number, etc).