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Old 07-18-2021, 5:47 PM
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I have been going to Oaktree for over 5 years. Never spent more than 3 hours max at the pistol range. It has always been $20 per person for non-members, unlimited time at the pistol range. Went this weekend, spent 2 hours 15 minutes and was hit with a $50 bill. No ammo, no rentals, just to get in. Turns out there is a new rule that is mentioned in some pretty small font at the register and your attention is not drawn to it by the cashier. The new rule is $20 per hour with 10 minutes grace period before you get charged another $20 for the next hour. A party of 3 in front of me was ďpleasantlyĒ surprised when their total came down to $290. Am I the only one who has no words and thinks it is just rude? Do other ranges in LA have similar pricing now or it is just the greedy owner of the Oaktree Gunclub? I would imagine a lot of customers like myself would be leaving now as paying these exorbitant prices for the pistol range where most moving and pop up targets donít work half the time is unacceptable.
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Old 07-18-2021, 5:58 PM
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Yes, it is rude to not have at least temporary signage alerting paying comers to the new fee structure.
In the end however, it will be the number of paying customers (or lack thereof) that will either support that fee structure or not. The matter of range equipment that is not operable may force customers to look for another venue.
I suspect that the owners are banking on the increase in number of folks new to firearms in general, and taking advantage of that market before it goes away. There may be an increase in operating expenses, but is it enough to justify such an increase in user fees?
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Someone ranted about this a while back. Got hit with big bill.
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Old 07-18-2021, 6:04 PM
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Iíve been going to Oaktree for 20 years but havenít really gone much in the past 5. I got tired of Oaktree for a handful of reasons but one big one is that their business model seems to be one of milking customers as much as possible. If thatís the model they choose thatís fine - itís just not any type of model that I am willing to support. What the OP is describing is just another of the many sleazy methods they have employed to milk their customers.
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Old 07-18-2021, 6:11 PM
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Is Oaktree the same FFL that was selling the Armatix Smartgun, which screwed us via microstamping and the roster? If so that's reason enough to not patronize them.
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Was an oaktree member until a couple of years ago! Besides the prices there equip is junk half the s**t never works on the skeet and sporting clay fields.
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Oak Tree Gun Club has become nothing short of a complete joke. I don't go there anymore except for maybe doing a PPT. Their new hourly range fee rule was the final straw for me.

I'd be pissed if I was a member. The cost of a membership has practically doubled within several years and they have random closures all the time. Plus, different parts of the range are only open during different days of the week. Not to mention random early closures here and there plus their "transition fee" they now charge if you start at the pistol range then want to go to the rifle range, or vice versa. It's actually comical how greedy Oak Tree has become.

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Yeah there was a long thread about this a few months back. Crappy policy they got in place. All the ranges that have you pay by the hour lost my biz
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Unless you want to shoot the fancy shotgun games, go to A Place to Shoot. $17 all day, any range.
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It’s why I haven’t gone to public or private ranges in about two decades. I go to wide open spaces. Free, silence and solitude (except for me and mine).
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I wonder now if the staunch defenders of Oak Tree will come out of the woodwork to defend them again.
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You've got to write Really small on your driver's license..

"By viewing this license I agree not to charge this person."


That way when they tell you to read the fine print that was not made obvious to you before you used their services, you can just say "You agreed to my fine print before you mentioned your fine print." Then pull out your license.

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Angeles, during the week, is pretty open. Can't speak about the weekends but no time limit and flat rate. Ammo on the shelves too if you need it.
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Unless you want to shoot the fancy shotgun games, go to A Place to Shoot. $17 all day, any range.
My favorite place to visit when down south.
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Most indoor are by the hour. The oak tree membership is the only way to go

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It is not that much further from oak tree to the private range.
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Is Oaktree the same FFL that was selling the Armatix Smartgun, which screwed us via microstamping and the roster? If so that's reason enough to not patronize them.
I have no sympathy for anyone that keeps going to Oaktree after that debacle.

I think they also now own the Triple B sporting clays range so I stopped going there too.
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i have never felt safe at their rifle range. Between the constant flagging and the short distance, i just stick to Angeles. $8 on Thursdays and you can stay all day!
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Unless you want to shoot the fancy shotgun games, go to A Place to Shoot. $17 all day, any range.
I agree. I was a member from the day it opened until I left CA. Best place to shoot in the L.A. area. I tried Angeles and Burro as well as the place that was accessed through the gravel operation (can't remember it's name since it closed) and stuck with APTS. Great guys there.
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The new fees keep out the range rats. Ya' gotta pay to play. Don't like'em, go somewhere else or open your own range.
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It's a business. If that's what they can get, more power to them.

I had membership for many years since they were open at night. I was there every Thursday night with my kids shooting at the rifle range. Thursday nights were fun since it was just us and a few other shooters (it's fun shooting and rocking to 70s music at night).

Haven't been shooting since the cost of ammo went through the roof. I'd probably just go to "A place to shoot" and not pay Oak Tree prices.
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with the population base in the area, the limited number of venues, hourly rate seems to be the way to go.

my "home" range 5 dogs charges 10 per day, but they are huge as far as the number of specific types of ranges available, plus the home ranges there for club use only
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That seems excessive, but I guess everything is relative to your location. I live in Fresno and have a membership to A Visalia gun range and I pay $120 a year for family of 4. The only extra a pay for is for paper targets.


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If enough people stop going, Oak Tree will either lower prices or sell off this desirable property to developers. Its unlikely any range can make up revenue with a larger volume.
In fact its probably going the other direction as media, schools and democrats work to make gun ownership a rarity and shooting even more so.


I think the prices are too high, but I am not the one paying the bills either.
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Was an oaktree member until a couple of years ago! Besides the prices there equip is junk half the s**t never works on the skeet and sporting clay fields.
WORST sporting clay field in SoCal!
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Ahh the fine print method, that's a way to piss off some customers.
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It is not that much further from oak tree to the private range.
It's actually much further and the drive after the exit isn't close either. The private road leading to the range is another 2 miles or so,b doesn't really compare. Having said that I prefer that location, if you have a small car it may be very bumpy.
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I think that was Fish Canyon. Shot a Highpower match there to qualify for my $310 Garand from the DCM, now CMP.
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If enough people stop going, Oak Tree will either lower prices or sell off this desirable property to developers. Its unlikely any range can make up revenue with a larger volume.
In fact its probably going the other direction as media, schools and democrats work to make gun ownership a rarity and shooting even more so.


I think the prices are too high, but I am not the one paying the bills either.
Betsy got greedy even before the plandemic. Now she has the other place to pillage as well.
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Well lets be honest, do people here really expect the price to stay the same for 20 years? Eventually they gotta go up like everything else.
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Betsy got greedy even before the plandemic. Now she has the other place to pillage as well.
I really do not consider staying in business or making a profit greed. Oak Tree is a high end range and has nice facilities.
That said their prices should be posted so no one is surprised when paying the bill.
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I really do not consider staying in business or making a profit greed. Oak Tree is a high end range and has nice facilities.
That said their prices should be posted so no one is surprised when paying the bill.
I consider the Armatix debacle to at least been partially driven by greed.
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I consider the Armatix debacle to at least been partially driven by greed.
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I really do not consider staying in business or making a profit greed. Oak Tree is a high end range and has nice facilities.
That said their prices should be posted so no one is surprised when paying the bill.
I agree but if your going to change the way your charging, make it clear. If people are paying by the hour for what equates to a year's membership dues, then the damn range better be operational.

Case in point, rifle. Steel targets shot up with holes in the center torso, target stands that are shot up so bad that you can't put a paper target in it, less target stands then there are lanes, poorly trained staff that take forever to check you in/ out (which is costing the shooter more money while they are standing in line to check out), and better trained staff.

You can't have only 3 people running rifle especially when 1 of those 3 is inside the office. People are in more of a rush to get in and out which leads to accidents.

I'm all for people running their business how they want, but if it's not run well it will go out of business. We can't afford to lose anymore ranges. It's poor management (Betsy) that's too blame if/ when they go out if business.
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How is it a "high end range" and also "half the equipment does not work" ?
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I agree but if your going to change the way your charging, make it clear. If people are paying by the hour for what equates to a year's membership dues, then the damn range better be operational.

Case in point, rifle. Steel targets shot up with holes in the center torso, target stands that are shot up so bad that you can't put a paper target in it, less target stands then there are lanes, poorly trained staff that take forever to check you in/ out (which is costing the shooter more money while they are standing in line to check out), and better trained staff.

You can't have only 3 people running rifle especially when 1 of those 3 is inside the office. People are in more of a rush to get in and out which leads to accidents.

I'm all for people running their business how they want, but if it's not run well it will go out of business. We can't afford to lose anymore ranges. It's poor management (Betsy) that's too blame if/ when they go out if business.

If itís a crappy range they will soon find themselves out of business. If they overcharge and underdeliver. Someone will come along and open it under new management.

Unfortunately right now everyone is doing what they need to survive. We may not like it and boycott the business. Or complain.
Unfortunately most people have no idea what their overhead is. I used to have people tell me I charge too much. Ok youíre free to hire someone else to do the job. There are plenty of businesses I donít frequent simply because their service sucks. If Iím gonna spend my money itís gonna be at least a place where I am treated nicely and have good equipment
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Ranges tend to survive even when they suck because there isn't one on every corner like there is for hamburger joints. Quite a few ranges have gone under though over the years for various reasons.
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Oaktree ate their own when their greed and stupidity brought in Belinda and Armatix.
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I posted this last month.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1725461

I've been there a few times since and I've only paid over $20 once and it was only $30...not a big deal.

They have a finite amount of benches so it's probably better if people come, do their thing, and then leave. Besides, with current cost of ammo, unless you're taking 30 second breaks between each time you pull the trigger, you won't be there more than an hour anyway.
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