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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton
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It’s such a shame people don’t think or talk this way anymore.
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Happy Independence Day to you all!
It is a sad time for our nation, but there are still many patriots among us who believe in freedom and who honor those who fought to achieve it and maintain it.
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I wish all Californian's would read this.
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It’s such a shame people don’t think or talk this way anymore.
It’s come full circle. Long winded talk and thought has brought us to trans-testicles, communists, and women in high places. Never use 10 words when three will suffice.
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Thank You Sir. I concur. THIS IS INDEPENDENCE DAY!


So Many, have forgotten So Much.

This passage, by changing just a few words.

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He has THEY HAVE combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws CONSTITUTION; giving his THEIR Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
Brings us forward 245 yrs to present day.
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Kinda sad when foreign correspondents know it, but Americans have to be reminded. From the Hindustan Times this morning...

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...Independence Day -- known colloquially as the Fourth of July -- is celebrated in the United States on July 4 annually to mark the Declaration of Independence signifying the freedom of the thirteen American colonies from British rule back in the 18th century. On this day, citizens usually take to mark the occasion with a splendid display of fireworks, parades, carnivals, and fairs...
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Very good post OP Thank You !
This Independence Day we attended Calvary Chapel Chino Hills.
The service was fantastic. It started with young people in Rev War clothing playing parts of the Founders.

From that point The Declaration Of Independence was read, followed by a sermon from the Black Robed regiment of Pastor Peter Mullenberg ! After the services were over, there was a fife and drum orchestra.

While many cannot travel to a live service, it is available online @ the Calvary Chapel Chino Hills website. Pastor Jack Hibbs is the best !
Patriotic Calgunners will enjoy this Christian Church that honors and loves America and its foundation of unalienable rights and liberty .
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Kinda sad when foreign correspondents know it, but Americans have to be reminded. From the Hindustan Times this morning...
Our country and its leaders are too busy promoting "Juneteenth" what ever the F' date that was...
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Our country and its leaders are too busy promoting "Juneteenth" what ever the F' date that was...
That was the day (June 19th) that the last of the slaves were freed in Galveston, TX by the Union Army to end slavery in the US. Considering that Robert E. Lee's birthday is still a state holiday in Mississippi and Alabama, and Texas still has Confederate Heroes' Day, I'm OK with celebrating the formal end of slavery as a national holiday.
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That was the day (June 19th) that the last of the slaves were freed in Galveston, TX by the Union Army to end slavery in the US. Considering that Robert E. Lee's birthday is still a state holiday in Mississippi and Alabama, and Texas still has Confederate Heroes' Day, I'm OK with celebrating the formal end of slavery as a national holiday.
I just think its funny and seems so illiterate to call it "Juneteenth" instead of "June 19th" but then again, I believe that the Queens English is our national language.
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I just think its funny and seems so illiterate to call it "Juneteenth" instead of "June 19th" but then again, I believe that the Queens English is our national language.
AAVE/Ebonics has West African speech patterns. It's actually an interesting study to research why they speak "jive".

I believe Appalachian dialects of English are the most similar to how Colonial era Americans spoke English.
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Considering that Robert E. Lee's birthday is still a state holiday in Mississippi and Alabama, and Texas still has Confederate Heroes' Day, I'm OK with celebrating the formal end of slavery as a national holiday.
Same.
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AAVE/Ebonics has West African speech patterns. It's actually an interesting study to research why they speak "jive".

I believe Appalachian dialects of English are the most similar to how Colonial era Americans spoke English.
If you want to assimilate and succeed, you learn and speak the language of the country you are in... There is NOTHING more pathetic than people CHOOSING to act / look different from everyone else and yet DEMAND to be treated like everyone else.
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If you want to assimilate and succeed, you learn and speak the language of the country you are in... There is NOTHING more pathetic than people CHOOSING to act / look different from everyone else and yet DEMAND to be treated like everyone else.
What is a melting pot and the land of immigrants?

Your ideal of the United States of America never existed and never will exist, thankfully.

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I just think its funny and seems so illiterate to call it "Juneteenth" instead of "June 19th" but then again, I believe that the Queens English is our national language.
Well, considering that the United States doesn't actually HAVE a national language (although the majority of people do speak English), and this entire thread was created to show how too many people celebrate July 4th, rather than Independence Day, calling it Emancipation Day would be confusing to those who thought it would've been the day Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Celebrate End of Slavery Day? Doesn't really roll off the tongue, does it? Not too catchy, and probably not a good fit for an ugly holiday T-shirt. Calling it Juneteenth, I would've guessed that if you didn't understand what it was, you'd have looked it up, rather than you sounding illiterate at best, and, well.... let's not say what's worst as I don't know you and don't want to cast aspersions.
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If you want to assimilate and succeed, you learn and speak the language of the country you are in... There is NOTHING more pathetic than people CHOOSING to act / look different from everyone else and yet DEMAND to be treated like everyone else.
But a country unified by appreciating unalienable rights and liberty, would hardly fit in with the agenda of financial dynasties and royal blood.

it takes a special kind of stupid to honor diversity of conquerers and tyrants.
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Our country and its leaders are too busy promoting "Juneteenth" what ever the F' date that was...
Well OC duh !
These occupying snapperheads could hardly honor the Emancipation Proclamation. Written, signed and implemented by REPUBLICANS!
Instead these fools come up with some nonsense to diminish the sacrifices made by American's, to rid the country of the ancient institution of slavery.
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I happen to speak jive like Barbara Billingsly in Airplane
Sadly, that movie like so many others (including almost every Mel Brooks movie) could never be made today..

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What is a melting pot and the land of immigrants?

Your ideal of the United States of America never existed and never will exist, thankfully.

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The term melting pot is a analogy to the characteristic of steel. In other words, when people come to the USA, they bring an element to make us stronger, more powerful and indestructible.

Raw iron is not very useful alone, but when other elements are added it become's steel, a material almost indestructible and that is what immigration was designed to do.
Bringing in malcontents, illiterate's, Axe Grinders and angry greedy slobs, who want no part of American freedom are not part of our melting pot. They are like throwing sand into the gears of Americanism.

Likewise government encouraging other language's is taking away elements of our strength's and do NOT believe for 1 second they do not know what their doing !

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The term melting pot is a analogy to the characteristic of steel. In other words, when people come to the USA, they bring an element to make us stronger, more powerful and indestructible.

Raw iron is not very useful alone, but when other elements are added it become's steel, a material almost indestructible and that is what immigration was designed to do.
Bringing in malcontents, illiterate's, Axe Grinders and angry greedy slobs, who want no part of American freedom are not part of our melting pot. They are like throwing sand into the gears of Americanism.

Likewise government encouraging other language's is taking away elements of our strength's and do NOT believe for 1 second they do not know what their doing !
Yes, an American is a citizen who supports and defends the Constitution of the United States. That is ALL!

Culture, language, religion (i.e. demographics) is constantly changing and has historically always been in flux no matter the groups of people in their respective eras. Your grandfather's America is not the same America we presently live in.

Not having a National language recognizes that fact. Americans today speak English, a language itself that has more Romantic roots than its Germanic lineage. You already lost the "purity" battle hundreds of years before you were born. Even our own founding father's would be puzzled to hear our "American" accents today. Yet, what has remained constant for almost three hundred years is the Constitution of the United States.

This seclusionary attitude living in a region of the United States with predominate Hispanic heritage is rich, ironic, and quite frankly disgusting.

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Yes, an American is a citizen who supports and defends the Constitution of the United States. That is ALL!

Culture, language, religion (i.e. demographics) is constantly changing and has historically always been in flux no matter the groups of people in their respective eras. Your grandfather's America is not the same America we presently live in.

Not having a National language recognizes that fact. Americans today speak English, a language itself that has more Romantic roots than its Germanic lineage. You already lost the "purity" battle hundreds of years before you were born. Even our own founding father's would be puzzled to hear our "American" accents today. Yet, what has remained constant for almost three hundred years is the Constitution of the United States.

This seclusionary attitude living in a region of the United States with predominate Hispanic heritage is rich, ironic, and quite frankly disgusting.

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Correct ! The only criteria to be an American is the desire to live free and that translates directly to honoring and knowing the Constitution, Declaration and Bill of Rights 1-10.
I honesty do not understand the purity battle you referenced. What is that ?
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