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Old 07-21-2021, 8:20 PM
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Seriously thinking of getting a 300 Black Out upper. Anyone have good recommendations they like to share. Anyone have bad experiences wth Bear Creek 300 BO side charger? I am begining to seeing 300 Black Out on the shelf at LGS.
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I built my own using a Noveske barrel

It was expensive but this gun will cycle both subs and supers, with or without the suppressor and I never have to swap buffers

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Seriously thinking of getting a 300 Black Out upper. Anyone have good recommendations they like to share.
Avoid carbine gassed 300 blackout barrels.
Stay with a pistol length gas system regardless of barrel length being 16" or shorter.
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I built my own using a Noveske barrel

It was expensive but this gun will cycle both subs and supers, with or without the suppressor and I never have to swap buffers

Adjustable gas block or adjustable gas key?
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Avoid carbine gassed 300 blackout barrels.
Stay with a pistol length gas system regardless of barrel length being 16" or shorter.
I hear this often, but I havent understood why?
I have a 16 CMMG Barrel, mid-length gas tube, and it cycles subs and supers no issue. Standard buffer spring.
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Adjustable gas block or adjustable gas key?
Or even adjustable BCG? I have one of those but haven't used it yet.

Is that Noveske barreled gun accurate? What twist?
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I used the low profile gas block that came with the barrel

Bolt carrier group is a BCM

Twist rate is 1:7

The gun is a tack driver with factory loads
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I hear this often, but I havent understood why?
I have a 16 CMMG Barrel, mid-length gas tube, and it cycles subs and supers no issue. Standard buffer spring.
Pretty soft shooting in my opinion.
Because the pressure is too low at the carbine or position on a 16" barrel for the barrel to cycle reliably with most subsonic loads unless you are running a suppressor.
There are very few subsonic loads that will cycle in a 16" carbine gassed barrel without a suppressor.

Show me your 16" midlength 300 blackout barrel.
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Because the pressure is too low at the carbine or position on a 16" barrel for the barrel to cycle reliably with most subsonic loads unless you are running a suppressor.
There are very few subsonic loads that will cycle in a 16" carbine gassed barrel without a suppressor.

Show me your 16" midlength 300 blackout barrel.
I always appreciate your input on here. For what its worth I have a BCM 16 carbine gassed .300 blk rifle and they guarantee it to run all supers and specifically 208 grain hornady subs and possibly run other subs. When I first got the rifle I purchased 7 different types of subsonic rounds and the rifle ran boxes of 20 in a 20 round mag 100%. Small test to only do 20 rounds each but it ran.
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Imp no point to 300 bo without suppressor
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I always appreciate your input on here. For what its worth I have a BCM 16 carbine gassed .300 blk rifle and they guarantee it to run all supers and specifically 208 grain hornady subs and possibly run other subs. When I first got the rifle I purchased 7 different types of subsonic rounds and the rifle ran boxes of 20 in a 20 round mag 100%. Small test to only do 20 rounds each but it ran.
Wonder how big is the gas port? Its buffer weight? How does it kick when running supers?
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I have a .300 BO MCX upper w/8.5 barrel on an AR pistol lower. I love it and it runs like a sewing machine. I shoot all supersonic ammo and it's super accurate and fun to shoot.
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I always appreciate your input on here. For what its worth I have a BCM 16 carbine gassed .300 blk rifle and they guarantee it to run all supers and specifically 208 grain hornady subs and possibly run other subs. When I first got the rifle I purchased 7 different types of subsonic rounds and the rifle ran boxes of 20 in a 20 round mag 100%. Small test to only do 20 rounds each but it ran.
FWIW, I bought a very cheap random upper and lower a couple years ago. I haven't shot it much, just enough to test out a can. I shot it a few times without a can to zero it (kinda) and then a few times with a can. It cycled first time, every time, ironically with Hornady subs. It was the only ammo I had at the time. It's a 7.5" pistol. I haven't shot any supers through it but I doubt there will be any trouble given that it ran with subs. Gas is obviously pistol length.

The only reason I mentioned it is, these days it seems like Blackout makers have emphasized functioning with subs, at a minimum.
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Imp no point to 300 bo without suppressor
Bigger bullet that's not dependent on fragmentation to be effective.

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I have a .300 BO MCX upper w/8.5 barrel on an AR pistol lower. I love it and it runs like a sewing machine. I shoot all supersonic ammo and it's super accurate and fun to shoot.
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I have a BCM 16” carbine gassed .300 blk rifle and they guarantee it to run all supers and specifically 208 grain hornady subs and possibly run other subs.
When I first got the rifle I purchased 7 different types of subsonic rounds and the rifle ran boxes of 20 in a 20 round mag 100%.
Small test to only do 20 rounds each but it ran.
I did gas port development 20+ years ago for the 300x221 which is the same as the blackout other than trim length and we had all sorts of trouble with lots of different subsonic loads except with a couple powders.
My guess is that the ammo makers now stick with those couple powders that will make factory carbine barrels run due to all the carbine gassed 300 blackout barrels on the market and the complaints they received from customers before the ammo makers changed the loads.

Unfortunately, those powders are rarely the most accurate and certainly not the quietest.
When you are reloading, you get access to dozens of other powders to find a more accurate subsonic loads.
Most powders used in the good subsonic handloads won't run a carbine gassed 16" barrel.
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Wonder how big is the gas port?
Going bigger than the ID of the gas tube does not get you anything.
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Bigger bullet that's not dependent on fragmentation to be effective.



Virtus?
I get it for 300blk. But for 556 I just choose a bigger bullet out of short barrel 77 grain otm or 62 grain speer gold dots or 50 grain Barnes)

Don't get.me wrong I.get the appeal but decided to.stay on suppressed 556

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Wonder how big is the gas port? Its buffer weight? How does it kick when running supers?
Its set up with an A2 length rifle buffer tube and an H2 buffer. It doesnt have bad recoil with supers. To clarify its a compete
BCM upper, I pieced the lower half together.
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I get the bigger bullet but 77 grain otm or 62 grain soeer gold dots are fine out of short barrel or 50 grain Barnes

Don't get.me wrong I.get the appeal but decided to.stay on suppressed 556
If you have a silencer, the edge for the Blackout is even greater. Even with supers, the Blackout is legit hearing safe with a good can, short barreled 5.56 is not.
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I've got a great 300blk upper, 16", hera hardware and a magnified red dot. Love love love it, but I'm reducing calibers. Have some ammo for it too. Pm me or find my ad
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If you have a silencer, the edge for the Blackout is even greater. Even with supers, the Blackout is legit hearing safe with a good can, short barreled 5.56 is not.
I completely agree on this but not very worried about using a short barrelled 556 with a suppressor for hd. Even at the range 11.5 with a medium sized can (either a Nomad or Radiant) it is not hearing safe but comfortable. With a full sized can, I can shoot.my 11.5 happily all day.

But I completely agree with what you wrote

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I would pass on Bear Creek Arsenal. Spend a bit more on a quality brand. I'd consider Aero Precision, KAK, Andro Corp, Smith & Wesson, even PSA a step above BCA. If your budget allows, BCM, DD, FN, Colt, Wilson Combat, Noveske, etc are generally worth the cost.

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Going bigger than the ID of the gas tube does not get you anything.
True enough. Gas tube is ~ 0.120" and gas port are normally less than 0.095", wondering if they start to push towards 0.12" to make the carbine length work with 300BO? Or you have found even at 0.12", not all sub will work?

Also did not know they have different rifle buffer weight H1, H2, etc?
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I have 2 BCA uppers. 5.56 and 300 BLK. Both with 16 inch barrels. The 300 BLK has a piston length gas system with an adjustable gas block. No issues with subs, but haven't played with supers yet. The 5.56 has 600 rounds through it.

I have had zero issues with these BCA uppers. I don't work in the firearms industry.
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True enough. Gas tube is ~ 0.120" and gas port are normally less than 0.095", wondering if they start to push towards 0.12" to make the carbine length work with 300BO? Or you have found even at 0.12", not all sub will work?

Also did not know they have different rifle buffer weight H1, H2, etc?
Carbine gassed 300 blackout barrels typically have 0.125" gas ports.
Even with such port size, most powders will not function the action when loading subsonic.
You have to stick with 1680 or something very close to that to make a subsonic heavy bullet load run.
Forget all about lighter bullets as you simply won't be able to make them run subsonic with any powder.

A standard A1/A2 buffer is about the same weight as an H1 carbine buffer.
You could swap in tungsten weights to make them heavier as they use the same weights as carbine buffers.
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I thought the whole point of the cartridge was suppressed short-barreled rifles. How does that work in CA?
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I thought the whole point of the cartridge was suppressed short-barreled rifles. How does that work in CA?
The whole point is that some people just like it. Probably 99% of cartridges in various firearms don't have a point or the people that don't like them don't see the point.

The point is, some people like them.
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I thought the whole point of the cartridge was suppressed short-barreled rifles. How does that work in CA?
That's like asking why do people shoot AKs when they could shoot ARs. Some people prefer shooting "slow" heavy bullets instead of fast, light bullets because they poke bigger holes. A slow heavy bullet still hurts whether or not it's suppressed.
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The two responses above are typical internet logic.

There's a difference between using something for its intended purpose and then there's using something when there's something better suited instead.

The cartridge was designed for short-barreled suppressed use. Can it be used in a 16" barrel w/o a suppressor? Of course. Is that the best/intended use? No.

I can use a 22" bolt action 6.5 creed rifle for home defense, but is that the best or intended use of the rifle? No.

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The two responses above are typical internet logic.

There's a difference between using something for its intended purpose and then there's using something when there's something better suited instead.

The cartridge was designed for short-barreled suppressed use. Can it be used in a 16" barrel w/o a suppressor? Of course. Is that the best/intended use? No.

I can use a 22" bolt action 6.5 creed rifle for home defense, but is that the best or intended use of the rifle? No.

And AR vs AK? Really? Jebus.
For me I own 5.56 ARs too, and am 8 years off of retirement and relocating from California. I was intrigued by the blackout but basically agree with your assessment. I was offered a good deal from a co worker to pick this up, got it
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If I didn’t own suppressors I wouldn’t have a BLK in my safe

When I shoot subs with one of my longer suppressors it’s about as loud as a car door being slammed shut

I still wear earpro but it’s not even needed

What’s cool about this cartridge is the supersonic loads are actually pretty quiet too when suppressed
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The two responses above are typical internet logic.

There's a difference between using something for its intended purpose and then there's using something when there's something better suited instead.

The cartridge was designed for short-barreled suppressed use. Can it be used in a 16" barrel w/o a suppressor? Of course. Is that the best/intended use? No.
Who cares? Is a 16" Blackout better than a 16" 5.56 for home defense? In a lot of ways, yes. Less noise and blast, and bigger bullets that aren't as dependent on fragmentation to do the job. What difference does it make what the "intended purpose" was? All that matters is what it can do for you now.

The "intended purpose" of the .30-06 was to kill people. A lot of deer and elk and other animals bit the dust because people didn't follow your philosophy.
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The two responses above are typical internet logic.

There's a difference between using something for its intended purpose and then there's using something when there's something better suited instead.

The cartridge was designed for short-barreled suppressed use. Can it be used in a 16" barrel w/o a suppressor? Of course. Is that the best/intended use? No.

I can use a 22" bolt action 6.5 creed rifle for home defense, but is that the best or intended use of the rifle? No.

And AR vs AK? Really? Jebus.
Interestingly, I found a great deal on a 16" .300 Blackout barrel so I built a rifle around it. When test firing it with subsonics at the range, two RSO's came up and asked if it was suppressed. I laughed and told them "Not yet." at which point I screwed a YHM Resonator on the end. That made for an incredibly quiet rifle. At the indoor 25yard short range accuracy was excellent as well. I haven't gotten to an outdoor range for longer distances yet, but I'm pleased with the results of my experiment.
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The two responses above are typical internet logic.

There's a difference between using something for its intended purpose and then there's using something when there's something better suited instead.

The cartridge was designed for short-barreled suppressed use. Can it be used in a 16" barrel w/o a suppressor? Of course. Is that the best/intended use? No.

I can use a 22" bolt action 6.5 creed rifle for home defense, but is that the best or intended use of the rifle? No.

And AR vs AK? Really? Jebus.
The best/intended use. Like the guy who sits there staring at a bucket of paint in one hand but can't get it open because he doesn't have one of those can openers but wouldn't think to use the screw driver in his other hand.
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Interestingly, I found a great deal on a 16" .300 Blackout barrel so I built a rifle around it. When test firing it with subsonics at the range, two RSO's came up and asked if it was suppressed. I laughed and told them "Not yet." at which point I screwed a YHM Resonator on the end. That made for an incredibly quiet rifle. At the indoor 25yard short range accuracy was excellent as well. I haven't gotten to an outdoor range for longer distances yet, but I'm pleased with the results of my experiment.
I had a similar experience when shooting subsonic. Very quiet. My friend shooting his 5.56 was louder and (to me) had more recoil.

As far as zero goes, shooting supers, I’m zero’d at 50. And my groups at 100 are consistent. POI is about 1.5 inches above POA. Groups are around 2 inches. I’m fairly new to shooting..
I’ve used SB, Federal, Herters, Wolf, and Barnaul

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Interestingly, I found a great deal on a 16" .300 Blackout barrel so I built a rifle around it. When test firing it with subsonics at the range, two RSO's came up and asked if it was suppressed. I laughed and told them "Not yet." at which point I screwed a YHM Resonator on the end. That made for an incredibly quiet rifle. At the indoor 25yard short range accuracy was excellent as well. I haven't gotten to an outdoor range for longer distances yet, but I'm pleased with the results of my experiment.
GW, nice Oryx. Get that in NM? Taste like cow?
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