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Old 04-16-2019, 6:09 PM
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Default I have to return mags...

Because of my own mistake. An unfortunate one.

I ordered the wrong CZ mags. I ordered Weds but was in such a hurry to get the order off I picked the wrong ones. Now I have to return them unfortunately and I'm assuming they won't do an exchange but simply process a return.

Anyone else run into this issue?
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Because of my own mistake. An unfortunate one.



I ordered the wrong CZ mags. I ordered Weds but was in such a hurry to get the order off I picked the wrong ones. Now I have to return them unfortunately and I'm assuming they won't do an exchange but simply process a return.



Anyone else run into this issue?


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lol. I like your thinking.
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reach out to them and see what they say. I think every vendor will have different policies.
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block them and sell them here?
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An exchange wouldn't be a sale, so sounds like it would still be legal.
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An exchange at this late date might be seen as importation.

Unless the vendor's a brick-and-mortar already doing biz in CA.

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I did the same thing. I ended up blocking mine to fit 10 and see if I can trade for the right ones. Somehow i think I’ll just end up selling them if I can’t find someone to trade with.

I briefly thought about “getting the right gun” but honestly there’s so many other guns I want ahead of it that I’m not really interested in the idea.
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An exchange wouldn't be a sale, so sounds like it would still be legal.
I can guarantee it's not legal. He can return the mag legally as it's just sending the mag out of state. But bringing a new mag into state is explicitly illegal at this point. If they shipped him the wrong mag, one might be able to argue that the mag he bought, which would be covered under the injunction, would be legal to import even now (which would probably make receiving the wrong one a crime??). But since he received the mag he bought, he cannot get it exchanged.

If they'll take a return, that's your only option with the seller. Otherwise, the other suggestions made here are quite good:
1) buy the right gun
2) block the mag and sell it to someone who will appreciate it
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Which CZ mags did you get?
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Ditto. PM me.
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Keep the mags! Buy the gun!
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I guess the opinion that those who bought a magazine during freedom week are able to do so forever is becoming less popular
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Keep the mags! Buy the gun!
Exactly. If we are guilty of anything on CG, we are guilty of the tail that wags the dog. I have always bought ammo for calibers I don't own. Mags for guns we don't own, became a very common practice several weeks ago.
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I guess the opinion that those who bought a magazine during freedom week are able to do so forever is becoming less popular
The wording of the order, strictly interpreted, seems to indicate so.
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IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code §32310 (a) and (b)shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019.
Syntactically, it reads as if the judge has prevented the DoJ from enforcing 32310 against certain persons- said persons identified by having legally bought magazines in the allowed period. Again, syntactically, the judge didn't prohibit prosecution of actions committed between said dates, but for people , identified by having committed an action between said dates

But both the judge and Chuck Michel have made their intent and interpretation of the injunction crystal clear.
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In layman’s terms, the State of California and the law enforcement agencies therein will be free to re-start the enforcement of Calif. Penal Code §32310 (a) and (b) which currently prohibits, among other things, any person in the state from manufacturing, importing into the state, offering for sale, giving, lending, buying, or receiving a firearm magazine able to hold more than 10 rounds (as defined by Calif. Penal Code §16740).
Any person. Not just those not identified as "protected"

Chuck Michel:
https://www.nratv.com/videos/stinchf...-in-california

In the end, it's up to a judge to interpret the order and determine if you broke the law. Feel like rolling those dice? I don't.
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The wording of the order, strictly interpreted, seems to indicate so.

Syntactically, it reads as if the judge has prevented the DoJ from enforcing 32310 against certain persons- said persons identified by having legally bought magazines in the allowed period. Again, syntactically, the judge didn't prohibit prosecution of actions committed between said dates, but for people , identified by having committed an action between said dates

But both the judge and Chuck Michel have made their intent and interpretation of the injunction crystal clear.
Benitez:

Any person. Not just those not identified as "protected"

Chuck Michel:
https://www.nratv.com/videos/stinchf...-in-california

In the end, it's up to a judge to interpret the order and determine if you broke the law. Feel like rolling those dice? I don't.
This is misinformation:

It is true that Judge Benitez wrote:-

"In layman’s terms, the State of California and the law enforcement agencies therein will be free to re-start the enforcement of Calif. Penal Code §32310 (a) and (b) which currently prohibits, among other things, any person in the state from manufacturing, importing into the state, offering for sale, giving, lending, buying, or receiving a firearm magazine able to hold more than 10 rounds (as defined by Calif. Penal Code §16740). This will continue until the appeal proceedings conclude or the stay is modified or lifted."

But that was his conclusion with regards to :-

"THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the Judgment is stayed in part pending final resolution of the appeal from the Judgment. The permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code §32310(a) and (b)is hereby stayed, effective 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019"

About :-

"IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code §32310 (a) and (b)shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019.Dated:"

He had to say:-

"Both parties indicate in briefing that persons and business entities in California may have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds since the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and in reliance on the injunction. Indeed, it is the reason that the Attorney General seeks urgent relief in the form of a stay pending appeal. Both parties suggest that it is appropriate to fashion protection for these law-abiding persons."

Maybe we need a flowchart?
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This is misinformation:
Are you saying Chuck Michel is spreading "misinformation"? Just want some clarification on your position

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We said "well, let's- if we have to do anything, leave possession legal", and that's basically what the judge did. He said you can't acquire anymore, but those that have been acquired, either from a long time ago or recently, those are legal to continue to posses.
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I like your thinking.

edit: looks like I'm fifth or sixth in line with this comment. It's a good one.
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tenemae, the way you structured your post was misinformation.
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Keep the mags. There is a high probability that you’ll want to buy the CZ size that takes those mags eventually.

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tenemae, the way you structured your post was misinformation.
The way I structured it? That's a new one.

Nevertheless, my response to SanDiego619 still stands: Chuck Michel has stated his opinion that it is not legal to "manufacture or cause to be manufactured, import into the state, keep for sale, or offer or expose for sale, or give, lend, buy, or receive" >10rnd mags at this point.
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Benitez’ stay has the provision that those who bought/manufactured during Freedom Week are protected by the injunction enjoining the penal code for that week.

You can’t continue to buy now.


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Was my thought verbatim.

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Yes. Do this. I have the same problem and it might cost me an additional $1,200 freedom bux. Just do it.
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Get the right gun!!!!!!!! Keep it simple stupid. (KISS)
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I intentionally bought mags for the wrong gun; aka one that I don't have..... just yet.
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If I had to save up for 12 months even 24 months to get the right gun I would rather then return magazines you can't replace.
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There is an interesting issue. The state justifies making felons of persons importing, buying, and receiving large capacity magazines in order to make the public safe from being shot with firearms holding what is considered to be too great a number of rounds, but here we have someone that doesn't have a firearm that even accepts the magazine. How them does barring him from it promote the public safety? Would this be an example of the failure of the state to narrowly taylor the prohibition so as to burden the exercise of the man's 2A rights as little as possible?
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Because of my own mistake. An unfortunate one.

I ordered the wrong CZ mags. I ordered Weds but was in such a hurry to get the order off I picked the wrong ones. Now I have to return them unfortunately and I'm assuming they won't do an exchange but simply process a return.

Anyone else run into this issue?
I'm with the others, keep the mags and think about buying the gun that goes with the mags you now own.

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Doesn't make sense to get rid of something so cheap that's not obtainable anymore to save a few bucks. The money is already spent....I'd just keep it.
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Approach it from the perspective of a blessing in discuise.
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