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Old 08-21-2020, 9:29 AM
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Put down your Schlitz and step away from your Archie Bunker chair dude... there is a LOT of ground between what I said and "supporting late term abortion and mandatory teaching of transgenderism".

Yeah, SOME dems might want to go to those extremes on those topics... but not all of them.

What you just did is the Republican equivalent of when a liberal says "Oh so you support the slaughter of school children" when you say AR15s should not be outlawed.
EXCEPT, the slaughtering of school children is not supported by Republicans, while the slaughtering of babies when they are viable is a Democrat position.

People somehow manage to justify their positions, don't they? You can support family and friends with compassion and love, without supporting Democrat positions on LGBT and abortion.

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Old 08-21-2020, 1:22 PM
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Trump took over the Republican Party and it feels a lot different than pre-2016. For one thing it’s a lot less ‘polite’. It seems Trumpisms have rubbed off on a lot of more mainstream right wing people and they’re going a lot harder against the left than they used to.
There's good and bad to that notion.

Republicans have for a long time behaved as though believing if they were just nice, the media and Democrats would respond in kind. It's been that way since about 1976. Maybe they were trying to make up for Nixon 1962 or 1974, beats me. That was especially evident in 2008 and 2012. It was never going to happen. So, a pretty significant swing the other way in 2016. And it worked.

Should there be an adjustment back a bit? Probabbly. Some folks use "I'm not politically correct" just as an excuse to be a jerk. Others object because it's misleading and inexact - "soft language" designed to mislead. Which is appropriate. Not my original thought, borrowing it from George Carlin.

If the President isn't re-elected I'm hopeful that what comes out of this is a realization from Republicans that it's OK to stand up for one's self, and that slinking away at the first hint of criticism (you hate Grandma, racist, don't care if babies die, etc) only emboldens the other side. And it gives the appearance of lack of commitment, of being false & phony. In short, stand up straight, believe in what you say/do and don't appease.

Presidents come and go. There's only so much they can do in office. But influencing the process lives on. Presidents like McKinley, Roosevelt (the good one, not that man) Eisenhower, Kennedy changed the process much more than they accomplished in office.
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It's this simple: Elect Harris/Biden and say hello to California (and worse) gun laws nationwide.
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It's this simple: Elect Harris/Biden and say hello to California (and worse) gun laws nationwide.
Yup. Calgunners won’t have the option of moving out of CA anymore.

Doesn’t just apply the guns either. These people see California as a template for the nation.
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Doesn’t just apply the guns either. These people see California as a template for the nation.
No more free states to move too... hadn't thought of that.
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Won't matter here in California when Bite-me wins by 4 million votes. Thank the Founders for the electoral college!

You are free to vote for anyone you like here without consequences.
I already read in another story that Biden already has been projected to win the electoral vote by a large majority. Hopefully we can see another repeat of 2016!
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I already read in another story that Biden already has been projected to win the electoral vote by a large majority. Hopefully we can see another repeat of 2016!
Indeed, I thought Hitlery was going to win the 2016 election, too. Fortunately, I was wrong. Trump is not my favourite. But even I have to acknowledge what he's done for the economy (it was booming before the Wuhan Virus), and he hasn't stepped on the 2A nearly to the extent that Hitlery would've done. Trump did OK the banning of bump-stocks, which I thought was silly. But a Democrat President would've tried to go much further.

Here's another problem, though. People talk about, "we need a Republican House". OK, what happened when we *did* have a Republican House? Nothing good, and that's the problem. We had a "do-nothing" Congress when the Republicans had the House, Senate, and Presidency, and the Republican Congress did everything they could to stymie Trump's agenda, so who's to say that anything will get done if we end up with a Republican House again? That's my big question. Trump has had to take Executive action to do a lot of things.

How do we answer the Congressional question above?
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There were doomsday predictions about the threat of the election (most recently) of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama on our 2nd Amendment rights and after they were elected NOTHING happened because WE and the organizations (like the NRA and CRPA) are very vocal and aggressive in defending our "rights."

So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.

That people here don't "get" that is a major concern. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany under similar circumstances and people there then did nothing about it. Don't let this happen here or you and the rest of us will regret it.
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There were doomsday predictions about the threat of the election (most recently) of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama on our 2nd Amendment rights and after they were elected NOTHING happened because WE and the organizations (like the NRA and CRPA) are very vocal and aggressive in defending our "rights."

So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.

That people here don't "get" that is a major concern. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany under similar circumstances and people there then did nothing about it. Don't let this happen here or you and the rest of us will regret it.
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There were doomsday predictions about the threat of the election (most recently) of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama on our 2nd Amendment rights and after they were elected NOTHING happened because WE and the organizations (like the NRA and CRPA) are very vocal and aggressive in defending our "rights."
Are you for real... let me guess, you are another San Francisco bay area HYPOCRITE liberal pro democrat gun owner who is ignorant of the facts. THE REASON THERE WAS NO 2A DOOMSDAY WAS BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED EITHER THE PRESIDENCY OR AT LEAST ONE HOUSE OF CONGRESS for almost every one of the years you reference. In the few yeas when the Democrats controlled the WH and both houses of Congress, there were enough republicans in the Senate to filibuster any draconian gun control legislation. REPUBLICANS, THAT is the ONLY REASON!



Take note...during that 1993-95 period of democrat control of congress and the white house; On September 13, 1994, Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994—known as the Crime Control Act of 1994—took effect. Subtitle A (the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act) of the act banned the manufacture, transfer, and possession of certain semiautomatic firearms designated as assault weapons and “large capacity” ammunition magazines...

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So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray democracy is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.
If the democrats maintain control of the House of Representatives and gain control of the Senate... HELL YES IT WILL BE DIFFERENT. Objective, strategic thinking is not your strong suit is it?

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That people here don't "get" that is a major concern. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany under similar circumstances and people there then did nothing about it. Don't let this happen here or you and the rest of us will regret it.
Are YOU really so OBTUSE as to compare Trump to Hitler? Name ANYTHING, ANY executive action, that he has actually taken (not said) that would give even a half-wit a basis to compare him to Hitler? So far its the progressives and the democrats who are failing to condemn and thereby quietly encouraging the thugs who are tearing down the country, rioting, burning, looting, causing chaos and anarchy for political gain! STUDY German history in the 1920's-30's and you will see that is EXACTLY how the Nazi Sturmabteilung (brown shirts) operated; using violence to demand political change they wanted, using violence to suppress opposition voices and breakup opposition political rallies/events... !
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One side acts like 1930's National Socialists, while calling their opponents Nazis...

This is an absurd "I know you are, but what am I" projection of their innermost shrivelled rotten heart and empty soul...

What is this, Kindergarten?!? Grow up and smell the covfefe!!
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There were doomsday predictions about the threat of the election (most recently) of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama on our 2nd Amendment rights and after they were elected NOTHING happened because WE and the organizations (like the NRA and CRPA) are very vocal and aggressive in defending our "rights."

So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.

That people here don't "get" that is a major concern. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany under similar circumstances and people there then did nothing about it. Don't let this happen here or you and the rest of us will regret it.
Bill Clinton signing the AWB:



And comparing Trump to Hitler is as childish now as it was in 2016. You don’t have to like him but nothing he’s done remotely reaches the level of that comparison.
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The NRA has a LOT to do with protecting the 2A at the Federal level, with Republican help. Its a great symbiotic relationship that we all must protect and strengthen this November!

At least our enemies think it is...

Let's just throw this one out too regarding the lack of gun control legislation at the federal level...

"After every mass shooting, Democrats on Capitol Hill have tried to revive the gun control issue by introducing new legislation. Two weeks after the Tucson shooting five years ago, then-Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey, introduced a trio of gun control bills. One would have closed the so-called gun show loophole by requiring sellers at gun shows to perform the same background checks that licensed gun dealers must conduct. Another would have banned the manufacture and sale of magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The third proposal would have stopped a person on the terrorist watch list from obtaining explosives or guns. None of them gained traction.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-New York, who retired from Congress in 2015, spent 18 years on Capitol Hill fighting to renew the assault weapons ban, close the gun show loophole or ban high-capacity magazines. Her husband was killed and her son was severely injured when a gunman shot passengers on a Long Island Rail Road commuter train in 1993. McCarthy repeatedly introduced these proposals in every Congress, but none of them passed muster.

The National Rifle Association's (NRA) stranglehold over Congress is largely responsible for the inaction. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the NRA spent more than $3 million on federal lobbying efforts in 2013 and 2014."


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So elect Biden and blindly trust the Dems. to not pass gun control. Thats STUPID on so many levels.
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So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.
What an idiotic thing to claim. You think a couple more Sotomayors on the Supreme Court would not affect us?

Biden and his leftist thugs go go to hell.
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There were doomsday predictions about the threat of the election (most recently) of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama on our 2nd Amendment rights and after they were elected NOTHING happened because WE and the organizations (like the NRA and CRPA) are very vocal and aggressive in defending our "rights."

So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.

That people here don't "get" that is a major concern. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany under similar circumstances and people there then did nothing about it. Don't let this happen here or you and the rest of us will regret it.
Your sales pitch: "Sure, the leftist pukes I openly advocate for are sworn enemies of constitutional rights, including the right that this website focuses on, but in the past, leftist pukes have been unsuccessful in destroying the rights they have sworn to attack, so it's OK if you vote for them."

You are saying that there is no difference between repubs and demonRATS vis a vis the second amendment because despite their open hostility to the second amendment, demonRATs haven't been able to do what they want yet.

The demonRAT party platform has had gun control as a plank since the 1970s.

Explain how "democray[sic] is seriously at risk if Trump is reelected", please.
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So elect Biden and blindly trust the Dems. to not pass gun control. Thats STUPID on so many levels.
They don’t need to pass anything. They just need to replace Ginsburg, and with turncoat Rogers, judges will erode 2A to nothing.

Just as we got so close to some victories.

Takes a special kind of an idiot to not see that.
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There were doomsday predictions about the threat of the election (most recently) of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama on our 2nd Amendment rights and after they were elected NOTHING happened because WE and the organizations (like the NRA and CRPA) are very vocal and aggressive in defending our "rights."

So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.

That people here don't "get" that is a major concern. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany under similar circumstances and people there then did nothing about it. Don't let this happen here or you and the rest of us will regret it.
The 1994 AW Ban was "nothing"?

Interesting that you suppose checks and balances apply only to Presidents Clinton and Obama but not to the current President.

Basing voting on a "they can't do what they say they can" theory opens up all sorts of avenues. Taking that approach, one could vote for David Duke or Louis Farrakhan because "they can't do what they want" on race.

BTW, rather presumptuous to say what others do or do not "get"- yes?
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Your sales pitch: "Sure, the leftist pukes I openly advocate for are sworn enemies of constitutional rights, including the right that this website focuses on, but in the past, leftist pukes have been unsuccessful in destroying the rights they have sworn to attack, so it's OK if you vote for them."
Agree. I get a kick out of the "not ALL Democrats are anti-gun" position some espouse. It's a good example of a "reductio ad absurdum" argument or the more contemporary "Fumblerooski" play.

I guess, using their "can't get it done" logic, a bunch of good 'ol boys lacking a noose or tree or unlucky victim would darn well be civil rights advocates.
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Agree. I get a kick out of the "not ALL Democrats are anti-gun" position some espouse. It's a good example of a "reductio ad absurdum" argument or the more contemporary "Fumblerooski" play.
When push comes to shove, democratic leadership (Pelosi/Schumer) in Congress and those democrat shot callers in Sacramento will make sure any pro gun or 2A neutral democrats will vote the party line with it counts. End of discussion.
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There were doomsday predictions about the threat of the election (most recently) of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama on our 2nd Amendment rights and after they were elected NOTHING happened because WE and the organizations (like the NRA and CRPA) are very vocal and aggressive in defending our "rights."

So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.

That people here don't "get" that is a major concern. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany under similar circumstances and people there then did nothing about it. Don't let this happen here or you and the rest of us will regret it.

The TDS is strong with you.What on earth leads you to believe President Trump will become dictator? Is it the pro Constitution, pro Second Amendment judges he's gotten appointed? Are they all part of a cabal to start the 4th Reich?
How is democracy at risk if/when Trump wins re-election? Its the left that is talking strikes, riots and secession if Trump wins. What is Trump's plan to be dictator for life?
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In just about every case we've seen where a Trump appointed judge had the opportunity to rule on 2A related matters, they've been consistently the most pro 2A. Voting for Trump should be a top priority for any 2A supporter.
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We visited Angeles range yesterday and there were some shooters wearing trump shirts, masks and key tags.
The several people I talked with were all enthusiastic Trump supporters and terrified of a Biden Harris reign.

Many were NRA members and those that are not members, took friendly advice that they should join when they have a chance. I believe many plan on joining because they wrote notes on their phones.

Thinking back to past elections I don't recall this much enthusiasm for other GOP, POTUS candidates.

Yesterday was just another typical, friendly, uplifting day of citizens enjoying the sport of free People!

Friends this is a good time to help Trump/GOP/NRA in any way you can as this election is lots more than just losing our gun rights !
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Nice to see the democrat underground has infiltrated cal guns. That shows a real weakness, not obvious in previous elections ! Back to Soros for another talking point my Friend !
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Not surprised you don't recognize an actual Republican. Sorry for our party.
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You would really be happier over on the liberal gun club site... and we would have to constantly see your hypocritical drivel that is not changing anyone's mind here anymore than I could change minds on the liberal gun club site (https://theliberalgunclub.com/) ... You are either paid to be here spouting this crap or you are an emotionally devoid troll...
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A liberal gun club. Who would have thought? Must be where they breed rinos
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Does Trump act in a traditional manner NO, does Trump offend when it's not particularly necessary YES, could it be argued Trump does himself a disservice when attempting to appeal to those that are more driven by emotion than those who are more transactional YES. I may not appreciate with how things are said by Trump, but are my sensibilities so offended that I would believe the democratic party wouldn't hesitate to eliminate a certain firearm or class of gun or guns all together NO Hell NO
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Donald Trump makes fun of Joe Biden. Joe Bidens staff and vp pick bail out rioters and looters and encourage their constituents to do the same. Turned the police onto a perceived enemy and want gun control while they have government funded private security? Doesn't get much more evil than that.
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Who would you prefer, specifically? I'm not asking to be a smart ***, but it's easy to suppose "the ideal unknown" is out there.

Which prominent Republican, capable of beating Biden and supporting gun rights, should be running? And let's suppose for the sake of simplicity the current President would tell his supporters "Vote Republican" in November.
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Who would you prefer, specifically? I'm not asking to be a smart ***, but it's easy to suppose "the ideal unknown" is out there.

Which prominent Republican, capable of beating Biden and supporting gun rights, should be running? And let's suppose for the sake of simplicity the current President would tell his supporters "Vote Republican" in November.
Well capable of beating Biden is the most critical factor here but I would say...
Ted Cruz
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I think Trey Gowdy would put America first instead of his own personal wealth.

Seems honest and straight forward. No silliness or non-sense
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I think Trey Gowdy would put America first instead of his own personal wealth.

Seems honest and straight forward. No silliness or non-sense
Agree on his merits and would get my vote, same with Senator Cruz. Although I'd have my doubts about electability for either of them. Cruz less so than Gowdy.
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Not surprised you don't recognize an actual Republican. Sorry for our party.
Free trade with slave states that subsidize entire industries to have market control is your idea of free trade?

Go back to Soros, Bloomberg and the DNC and tell them you stuck out again by your pretend conservative narrative !
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There's also a libertarian candidate as well.
Sure, man.
There are also friendly aliens who offer free spaceship cruises to Uranus.
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There were doomsday predictions about the threat of the election (most recently) of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama on our 2nd Amendment rights and after they were elected NOTHING happened because WE and the organizations (like the NRA and CRPA) are very vocal and aggressive in defending our "rights."

So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.

That people here don't "get" that is a major concern. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany under similar circumstances and people there then did nothing about it. Don't let this happen here or you and the rest of us will regret it.
If I would call you an imbecile, I am pretty sure it would be offensive to imbeciles.
So no, I'm not going to call you an imbecile.
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There were doomsday predictions about the threat of the election (most recently) of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama on our 2nd Amendment rights and after they were elected NOTHING happened because WE and the organizations (like the NRA and CRPA) are very vocal and aggressive in defending our "rights."

So, relax. It will be no different if Biden is elected but democray is seriously at risk if Trump is re-elected.

That people here don't "get" that is a major concern. Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany under similar circumstances and people there then did nothing about it. Don't let this happen here or you and the rest of us will regret it.
I guess the fact that Obama's henchmen were spying on Trump campaign and presidency was not hurting democracy at all. And if you don't think that Democrats won't try to get rid of 2nd Amendment if they get the majority then I have a bridge to sell to you, you know the Gold one, in the city run by Democrats in a state run by Democrats where the gun laws are most restrictive (with possible city and state that is worse, New York) in US. Just take a look how many gun laws were on California agenda this year to be passed.
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I guess the fact that Obama's henchmen were spying on Trump campaign and presidency was not hurting democracy at all. And if you don't think that Democrats won't try to get rid of 2nd Amendment if they get the majority then I have a bridge to sell to you, you know the Gold one, in the city run by Democrats in a state run by Democrats where the gun laws are most restrictive (with possible city and state that is worse, New York) in US. Just take a look how many gun laws were on California agenda this year to be passed.

Could you imagine if you were required to take pass a test and a background check to get an abortion? 10 day wait, felons denied and proof of residency? How about a safe abortions roster?
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Could you imagine if you were required to take pass a test and a background check to get an abortion? 10 day wait, felons denied and proof of residency? How about a safe abortions roster?
I don't expect it to change the minds of anyone who dislikes guns. But on occasion, for those in the middle, I've mentioned CA has stores which by license sell MJ to people legally purchasing the product. "Do you suppose" I've asked "that passing restrictions against the lawful store owner and legal buyer will have any impact on the illegal seller or illegal user?"

I usually get some version of "no, doesn't make any sense that it would …."
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