CRPA - To Support or Not Support POLL

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by Kestryll

While this is an amazingly silly question I'll answer it.

YES, you very much should support the CRPA, especially if you enjoyed Freedom Week.

Why do I say that, because I know very well what is going on with the CRPA given that I sit on the Board of Directors and am Chairman of the Communications and Technology Committee.

The CRPA is committed to fighting for our 2A rights, ALL aspects of our 2A rights and that means having a full time lobbyist in Sacramento, bringing forth thought our litigation to stop or overturn bad laws (not just rushing to be 'first' with questionable lawsuits to enhance fund raising or making big noise on social media), engaging in outreach to bring new people in to the shooting sports, working with pro 2A LE to give a louder voice in Sacramento and work on better CCW procedures and more.

Yes, the CRPA had some issues several years ago, and in those years all of the personnel involved have been removed, the structure of both the Board and the Org has been revamped and the CRPA today is nothing like the CRPA of several years ago.

Back then I was removed from the Board because I and a few other stood against the policies and personnel that were dragging the CRPA down.
When I was asked to return to the Board after the housecleaning it took a lot to convince me it was worth it, I'm still on the Board because I am convinced that the changes have made a better, stronger and more committed CRPA.

So now it's my turn to ask questions.

Are you a CRPA member? If not what are you doing to further 2A rights?

Like Calguns the CRPA is not a singular individual or Board it is the sum of it's members and while the Board can and does do a lot it can not do it all. The members need to be involved, engaged and take action themselves.

Unless you're just looking to pay $35 for a membership expecting to just sit back and hope your yearly dues pay for someone else to fix everything for you and then complain when that doesn't work.

There are plenty of '2A orgs' who will take your money and promise you exactly that, it doesn't matter if they can not and do not fulfill that promise because they already have your money.


ETA: OP looking at your signature you are an NRA Life Member.
You are aware that the CRPA is the Official NRA State Affiliate for California correct?
Nearly all of the NRA efforts in California are run through the CRPA and our CRPA lobbyist works hand in hand in Sacramento with the NRA State lobbyist every day.

Thank you Mr. K!!!

[Thordo]

Originally Posted by socal147

CRPA - To Support or Not Support POLL
I was a member for a year but started reading some negative news about the organization. I am once again considering supporting CRPA but do not want to waste my money. So fellow gunners, what do you think?

I've been supporting CRPA for years both with $$$ and personal involvement in several of their lawsuits. They are are a great organization that is fighting FOR YOU!!

Rather than making a YES or NO decision based on what someone wrote in a forum or newspaper article, get involved, advocate, and volunteer. Make your own assessment based on YOUR experience and then decide if they are worthy of your support. I think you'll find that they are more than worthy.

Thordo

[cindynles]

I was a CRPA member for many years. Not any more. I'll start supporting CRPA again just as soon as they respond to their actions in the Riverside County Sheriff election. They supported the the anti 2A candidate (Sniff) and refused to answer any questions about it. Several people even asked Chuck Michel directly of Facebook and this site and no one from CRPA would answer any questions.

I don't think it's asking too much to explain why the group chose to support one candidate over another. The lack of transparency makes me wonder what is going on in the background because it appears they did not have the best interest of the citizens of Riverside County in mind.

[-hanko]

On the Sniff support, I'd suspect you will not get an answer. I asked about umpteen times and got back nothing but silence.

Interesting that a number of Calguns members, some still here, endorsed Sniff for sheriff following a lunch with Sniff and the NRA representative. After a day or 2, they changed their endorsement to a so-called recommendation...not sure of the difference but probably less complaining from rational Calguns members if Sniff back-slides on his promise for easy CWL issuance if reelected.

After the election, Sniff continued with a number of asinine requirements for a CWL, well above and beyond if he were really shall-issue.

Damn straight we stopped our contributions...we probably would have continued had we received a straight answer. The internet or media rep that posted here on behalf of the CRPA was about as useful as mammary glands on a wild boar.

Originally Posted by cindynles

I was a CRPA member for many years. Not any more. I'll start supporting CRPA again just as soon as they respond to their actions in the Riverside County Sheriff election. They supported the the anti 2A candidate (Sniff) and refused to answer any questions about it. Several people even asked Chuck Michel directly of Facebook and this site and no one from CRPA would answer any questions.

I don't think it's asking too much to explain why the group chose to support one candidate over another. The lack of transparency makes me wonder what is going on in the background because it appears they did not have the best interest of the citizens of Riverside County in mind.

[OCEquestrian]

Who is the asshat who voted no in the poll?

[vino68]

Originally Posted by Bigdog68

I agree wholeheartedly, CRPA really is as effective as can be reasonably expected in California. Any success with cities and court cases is being led by CRPA.

FPC I am really unsure about putting money in their hands. Their briefs do not seem as effective and I have been unimpressed seeing video of their spokesperson in committee hearings representing 2A causes. Not that you would expect them to sway anyone on the committee, but just on how they spoke about the issues.

I agree with you as well. The Youtube spokesmen they have is useless. He says a lot on nonsense with small tidbits of information here and there. I like Adam from TGC but the FPC seems to be lacking. Perhaps we should focus on CRPA as they are solely focused on our needs in this state.

[cannon]

I was a member decades ago and quit as the organization was a horribly run inner circle old boys club that was not truthful with me.

Of late they are doing what they do as it should be done. I would say that yes supporting them now is a good idea.

Because of my experience I'll keep my donations going to the NRA instead.

OP, your question was valid. There are "pro gun" organizations that collect funds and actually do nothing but press releases and ad campaigns to get more money.

[pacrat]

In all honesty, there is no reason for exaggeration, or dishonesty.

Sniff was NOT ANTI 2A. He wasn't as PRO 2A as Bianco for sure. And assuredly not as Pro CCW as Chad. Even with his last ditch effort, a month before the election to change his ways. It was too little, too late.

And both in 2014 and 2018 no one was more vocal against Sniff than I was. If you doubt it, search SNIFF and my user name.

And yes, it rather pissed me off that I got no response from CRPA, as a LIFE MEMBER.

Because I disagreed with their choice for 1 candidate. In one local district. Doesn't now nor then, negate ALL THE GOOD they do for 2A in Ca.

And NO ONE does more for 2A in Ca than CRPA.

That is why I continue to support them, and the MASSIVE effort they put forth for OVERALL 2A in Ca.

I don't agree with ALL of what NRA does on the National Front as a LIFE MEMBER either. But I continue support for the same reasons.

Would we have THE DONALD as Pres or 187 new Conservative Fed Judges, including 2 on SCOTUS without NRA?

And all the 2A civil rights cases in Ca?

DON'T BE SMALL MINDED, THINK BIG PICTURE! AND OVERALL GOOD!

Here is a re-quote from this thread, concerning same CH!T.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...F#post22324399

Originally Posted by johnnycharro View Post
I have been employed by RSO for over 20 years, been a NRA member over 30 (life member) and a long time CPRA member. After CPRA's dishonest endorsement in this race, I will not be renewing my CPRA membership.
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Johnny, thank you for your service to the good citizens of RivCo. And your long time membership and support of NRA/CRPA.

With that said, I cannot agree with the "dishonest" adjective. I truly believe "misguided" would be a better fit.

If you, me, and every other 2A loving citizen who supports NRA/CRPA. Allow our support for the 2A to narrow to the point of only focusing on issues that personally affect us, our jobs, or the county/city that we work and live in. We are doing a grave disservice to the overall 2A cause we hold dear.

As a current CRPA member. Please take the time to read the "FIRING LINE" page after page of listed court and legislative battles the CRPA FIGHTS FOR THE GOOD OF ALL CITIZENS IN CA.

Those battles can only be fought if "We the People" continue our support for those that are forefront in the fight, here in ALL OF CA. And that, here in Ca, is the CRPA.

[heyjerr]

Benefactor NRA member here. It's easy enough to feel like I was doing my part through them so I just kept not getting around to joining CRPA.

Until today.

Something finally got me to take a few seconds to sign up. Not an excuse, just an explanation that it's easy to sit around and do nothing....or other things. Especially when it feels like it's a losing battle to inevitable tide of communism/socialism/progressivism that has infected my native state. Or maybe I just had a bad taste in my mouth from joining an organization long ago (NAGR if I recall correctly) that rubbed me the wrong way and made me not want to join yet another organization that will likely pester me for donations. Anyway, finally flipped that switch.

As for Smile, mine is currently set up to go to Calguns Foundation. I'm confused since I'm reading that others say Amazon took that away. Should I be changing that to CRPA instead?

[bdeditch]

Originally Posted by Kestryll

So now it's my turn to ask questions.

Are you a CRPA member? If not what are you doing to further 2A rights?

Like Calguns the CRPA is not a singular individual or Board it is the sum of it's members and while the Board can and does do a lot it can not do it all. The members need to be involved, engaged and take action themselves.

Unless you're just looking to pay $35 for a membership expecting to just sit back and hope your yearly dues pay for someone else to fix everything for you and then complain when that doesn't work.

There are plenty of '2A orgs' who will take your money and promise you exactly that, it doesn't matter if they can not and do not fulfill that promise because they already have your money.


ETA: OP looking at your signature you are an NRA Life Member.
You are aware that the CRPA is the Official NRA State Affiliate for California correct?
Nearly all of the NRA efforts in California are run through the CRPA and our CRPA lobbyist works hand in hand in Sacramento with the NRA State lobbyist every day.

I do recruiting for the CRPA at gun shows in Norcal. The majority, about 75%, say they have never heard about the CRPA, about 20% say they have heard but are not a member, the other 5% are members. The one we try to get as members typically have the same story 1) I can't afford it. 2) I don't join stuff like that (yet they are wearing an NRA hat or an FPC shirt) or 3) I belong to too many things already. they don't realize that it costs money to get a case going, I keep telling them we do not get money from the State of CA to help us take them to court I had a lady a few shows back as me what we, the CRPA, was doing about the CA Gun Roster, she didn't believe me when I told her the SCOTUS hasn't decided if they were going to hear the case yet. Then she told me she would never join the CRPA because the other organizations were the only ones that fight for our gun rights.

[pacrat]

Then she told me she would never join the CRPA because the other organizations were the only ones that fight for our gun rights.

Ignorance is bliss.

[559BearDown]

Just re-upped for 5 more years 😁

[California_Deplorable]

WTH? Seriously? This thread is dumb.

Every CA gun owner should be a CRPA and NRA member at the minimum. If they were, we probably wouldnt have any of these stupid gun laws we have to deal with.

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by sfarchitect

Speaking personally, I detest the NRA, but I'm big fan of the CRPA.

As said above much of the push back against ill informed, ineffectual gun regulation in CA is coming from the CRPA.

We know you detest the NRA. YOU are a democrat and have been voting for democrats all these years. YOU have been helping to depriving us of our 2nd Amendment rights all their unconstitutional anti gun laws... and yet...here you are. BTW.. most all of the CRPA ligation is largely underwritten / funded by the NRA AND the CRPA. I know Chuck Michel and have it first hand.

[NorCalBusa]

Is there a link to sign up/support CRPA via CalGuns?

(So they can track the customer came from CalGuns).

[OCEquestrian]

I want to know who the 1 cal-gun member was who said NO to supporting the CRPA?????

[bhp1410]

CRPA all the way. FPC is more iffy for me but I have given to them in the past.

[traveler1952]

Use Amazon Smile, love that some goes to a pro gun group.
Just yesterday donated another $100.00 to CRPA
Only and idiot would not support them. That is unless you really don't care about the 2nd Amendment

[Longbow]

Rick Travis of the CRPA has been giving a weekly Sacramento update on The Gunslinger Hour, every Sunday Morning on KABC Radio 790 AM, at 7:00 a.m.

https://www.kabc.com/the-gunslinger-hour/

CRPA is the thin red line, here in California. They do great work, and deserve our support.

Cheers,
Longbow

[anthracite]

Hello everyone,

As a pretty new gun owner, I do not donate to any of these groups. I do recall reading a pamphlet about CRPA after I got my FSC.

I read some comments in this thread about donating X amount when possible and others mentioning Y term memberships. Is there one you all recommend supporting first? Or figure out budget and then a bit to each one?

Recommendations and thoughts are appreciated. Thank you.

[darkwater]

Originally Posted by anthracite

Hello everyone,

As a pretty new gun owner, I do not donate to any of these groups. I do recall reading a pamphlet about CRPA after I got my FSC.

I read some comments in this thread about donating X amount when possible and others mentioning Y term memberships. Is there one you all recommend supporting first? Or figure out budget and then a bit to each one?

Recommendations and thoughts are appreciated. Thank you.

If you're a CA resident, I would go with CRPA and CGF (CA Gun Rights Foundation), then after that other groups that act nationally but have done some good work in CA as well, such as the Second Amendment Foundation and Firearms Policy Coalition. I'd avoid NRA right now because their money is tied up fighting the State of NY for their very survival as an organization. My 2 cents...

[anthracite]

Thank you darkwater for your 2c, it is much appreciated. As a CA resident I’ll look to the CA groups first.

[anthracite]

Originally Posted by traveler1952

Use Amazon Smile, love that some goes to a pro gun group.
Just yesterday donated another $100.00 to CRPA
Only and idiot would not support them. That is unless you really don't care about the 2nd Amendment

Originally Posted by SoCal Gunner

You can also sign up with Amazon "Smile" and choose the CRPA as your charity

Just changed my Smile charity to CRPA.

Can anyone confirm that their location is in Fullerton? Anyways, doubled checked and doesn't seem like there are any other ones.

Awesome suggestion for those that order on Amazon. But unsure if it works when you order from the APP or does it have to be from a desktop browser that has the "smile" in the web address?

[SoCal Gunner]

Originally Posted by anthracite

Just changed my Smile charity to CRPA.

Can anyone confirm that their location is in Fullerton? Anyways, doubled checked and doesn't seem like there are any other ones.

Awesome suggestion for those that order on Amazon. But unsure if it works when you order from the APP or does it have to be from a desktop browser that has the "smile" in the web address?

Not sure about the app, but you MUST go to smile.amazon for your purchase to count for donation. They usually remind you if you forget.

[vino68]

Originally Posted by Thordo

Seriously?? Support both. FPC has Miller vs Baccerra in San Diego that could overturn the AW ban. CRPA has numerous lawsuits that are important to our freedom.

Thordo

Bigdog68
I agree wholeheartedly, CRPA really is as effective as can be reasonably expected in California. Any success with cities and court cases is being led by CRPA.

FPC I am really unsure about putting money in their hands. Their briefs do not seem as effective and I have been unimpressed seeing video of their spokesperson in committee hearings representing 2A causes. Not that you would expect them to sway anyone on the committee, but just on how they spoke about the issues.

This. The FPC seems to chase tails without much effect, while CRPA has been all barrels blazing. One suit is not saying a lot and which is similar to a CRPA suit.

[anthracite]

Originally Posted by SoCal Gunner

Not sure about the app, but you MUST go to smile.amazon for your purchase to count for donation. They usually remind you if you forget.

Thank you SoCal Gunner, will make it a point to try to do purchases via desktop from now on.

[climber32]

I joined CRPA a while back. The NRA is in the process publicly self immolating and CRPA is CA specific.

[Rockoutwithyerglockout]

CRPA is the only pro 2A group in CA that can honestly say that it has obtained results because of its specific litigation efforts. The Duncan case that got us all standard capacity magazines was them (well, their lawyers), but they paid for it and wanted it done. That's their most high profile case, but they have won others as well.

FPC's heart is in the right place, but they haven't obtained any wins in CA that have materially changed anything at all. That's not to say that they won't someday, but CRPA has the track record and they are CA focused.

[shootsocal_dave]

We sign up members for CRPA in our store, we share a parking lot with them.

[SouthCityShooter]

As above, CRPA is CA specific. Why would you not join?

[homelessdude]

I've been a CRPA for years. When my dues are due in 4/21 I will upgrade to life. It shouldn't be either or. There are others doing good work out there. The 2nd amendment Foundation, GOC, and the NRA all get their dues when the time comes. And everytime one of them scores a victory I send a donation. I'm old and have enjoyed a full life concerning guns ( 1950s on ). If you younger Ca. want the same you better step up before it's gone.

[biker777]

Originally Posted by SoCal Gunner

You can also sign up with Amazon "Smile" and choose the CRPA as your charity

^^^^^^^^ This^^^^^^^^^^

[JoshTy]

Originally Posted by traveler1952

Use Amazon Smile, love that some goes to a pro gun group.
Just yesterday donated another $100.00 to CRPA
Only and idiot would not support them. That is unless you really don't care about the 2nd Amendment

Just did this. Thanks.

[Itry2hide]

I think the question has been answered, given that 93% agree to support.

[bbgughj]

I'd support the crpa over the NRA in CA....

[SoCal Gunner]

This is the quarterly AmazonSmile notification to inform you that the charity you’ve selected,*CRPA Foundation, recently received a donation of*$10,171.73, at no additional cost to you or other customers.

Thanks to customers shopping at*smile.amazon.com, or with AmazonSmile turned on in the Amazon shopping app, everyday purchases generated over*$236 million*in donations to charities worldwide so far.

AmazonSmile's impact:

$87,920.69*to CRPA Foundation*

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by sfarchitect

I'm among the few liberals/progressives here on CG with the intellectual honesty to admit it. I have never been an NRA member. While I do not agree with much of what they do, I absolutely do support CRPA.

I'm all about 'in the aggregate' do you do more good than harm? Or more harm than good. So I give a little money to CRPA every year.

To the best of my knowledge, they are the only real CA specific organization out there.

You voted for Biden, Newsom, Pelosi, Harris, Feinstein, Becerra and the rest of the rat pack. You disagree with most of what the NRA does...And yet without the NRA fighting the good fight all these years, you wouldn't have been able to buy the guns you just recently acquired. Thanks to voters like you, California's 2A problems (if you don't think HHS Sec. Becerra isn't going to make guns a HHS issue you are a moron) are now being exported to Washington DC and the National level where the NRA is the ONLY effective player.

2020 Dec 16: “NRA Takes Concealed Carry Case to US Sup Ct”
NYSRPA v. Corlett challenges NY’s “proper cause” requirement for a CCW. More at: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2020...-supreme-court

YOU AND GUN OWNERS LIKE YOU ARE PART A HUGE PART OF THE PROBLEM. YOUR HYPCRICY IS ECLIPSED ONLY BY YOUR AUDACITY TO CLAIM YOU SUPPORT THE 2A AND COULD EVER TRULY BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY!

[johnireland]

Buy lots of ammo, hide your guns, and begin to organize into small groups of patriots. Stop using all social media, including this, to set up your contacts and for tactical and strategic communication. We are now living in an occupied country.

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by johnireland

Buy lots of ammo, hide your guns, and begin to organize into small groups of patriots. Stop using all social media, including this, to set up your contacts and for tactical and strategic communication. We are now living in an occupied country.

Dont forget setting up the tribunals for the democrats and members of the media...

[OCEquestrian]

LMAO... 15,913 views of this thread and 237 poll respondents. I wonder what that says about the CalGuns crew. Could it maybe be...DONT CARE?? And they all wonder, while blowing money down range at pistol/rifle targets that look like shotgun patterns, why the 2A is almost dead here in CA.