Beware of buyer/seller

[Packy14]

Originally Posted by AnaMariaAlvarez92

Flaked... Pulled back on sale and yet keeps bumping and still has them for sale...!!! Smh

Person just doesn't like u. It happens.

[ericgarretson]

Are you people kidding, a verbal contract is a contract, and it is not concerning real estate, therefore it is a binding agreement between 2 parties. You can only go back on a contract if it is mutual, and not because somebody changed his mind, sorry your in an enforceable contract. Learn law, add it to the golden rule, and there can be no other outcome that Bruce Evil Dog is a person that you're screwed over at the last conceivable minute. If you blind friends with Bruce Evil Dog would be pissed off if the same thing happened to you.

If I wanted to do the research to get his address I would go after him in the courts, and he would lose. He is lucky I have more important things to do.

Evil dog is a man with no honor when you break a fully worked out terms of sale. Evil dog friends must be Democrats claiming nothing happened here even knowing he broke the contract. So shut up Friends of Hilary.

Get stuffed

I don't hide my identity Bruce, and Evil Dog is accurate

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[ericgarretson]

The reason he backed out was because he decided he decided he liked it, then said I could have it for the same price as a new model 27. No he was super excited to meet the night before we were going to meet, when we worked out how much cash I was giving him for the . He broke the contract as I was getting my keys and wallet when he called me to back out.

I am not the flake, and I stated how he broke the contract, but you start ripping on the victim? What is wrong with you people?

Get together and do a polish firing squad, the world will be a better place.

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[Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by ericgarretson

He broke the contract as I was getting my keys and wallet when he called me to back out.

At least he called to cancel.
Look back in the thread and you'll find people who have driven 100 miles and the seller (or buyer) was a no-show.

Nobody knows what happened in your case other than what you've told us.
Others have had personal experience, so they can rightly comment based on that.

As for calling people "Hillary lovers" because two people spoke up in support of Evil Dog, all I can say is WTF?
Making a mental note to never involve myself in a buy or sale with you.

[ericgarretson]

That is just another fool, you should be pissed every time a person breaks a contract, and when I lived up to my end you say "a mental note not to do business with me" is illogical when I live up to my word. This string is to notify flakes like Evil dog to be warned of prior bad behavior which I did.

You second string losers that don't understand logic makes you look like a bunch of Hilary supporters because you can't follow simple logic jus as Democrats.

Now to your haters may you get screwed like I was, and you wouldn't notify the cal guns population of a flake, shame on you for perpetuating bad behaviour.

My best day will be in 6 years when the peoples republik of Kalifornia will be in my mirrors, and move wherever you can trust your neighbors.

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[Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by ericgarretson

Now to your haters may you get screwed like I was, and you wouldn't notify the cal guns population of a flake, shame on you for perpetuating bad behaviour.

No, if I get screwed I'll make sure everyone knows about it.
If others say that they had positive experience, oh well, that's not my experience and I'll move on with my life without crying about breach of contract (which will NOT go anywhere in court if there is no financial loss).

Seriously.
This thread is for sharing "beware of buyer/seller"
You did that.
TWO people disagreed with you, but your warning remains in the thread, and I'm sure anyone thinking about doing business with Dog will consider your comments.
Let it drop. There is nothing to be gained by crying about it and insulting other members, other than making yourself look like the kind of person that we would not want to do business with.
There are two sides to every story... if your attitude in this thread was displayed toward Evil Dog, then I can understand why he backed out of the sale

[kingransom]

I was on your side when you spoke purely of facts and logic, but for God's sake STFU and leave your bull**** politics out of it!!! Once you starting spewing liberal this and Hillary that, my ears developed cancer and your prior valid points went to a baren wasteland. Listening to people's political views literally sucks all the fun out of trying to enjoy being a gun owner. This thread is to help others avoid dealing with unscrupulous people, not to spew your political hatred for one side or the other. Keep that in mind next time you decide to vent on here.

[Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by kingransom

I was on your side when you spoke purely of facts and logic, but for God's sake STFU and leave your bull**** politics out of it!!! Once you starting spewing liberal this and Hillary that, my ears developed cancer and your prior valid points went to a baren wasteland. Listening to people's political views literally sucks all the fun out of trying to enjoy being a gun owner. This thread is to help others avoid dealing with unscrupulous people, not to spew your political hatred for one side or the other. Keep that in mind next time you decide to vent on here.

Agreed.
Wait... Hillary sucks, but she's completely irrelevant anyways.
But ya... the rant and complaints of breach of contract, sadly, are what people in Free America have come to expect (and hate) about Californians.

[kingransom]

Originally Posted by Cokebottle

Agreed.
Wait... Hillary sucks, but she's completely irrelevant anyways.
But ya... the rant and complaints of breach of contract, sadly, are what people in Free America have come to expect (and hate) about Californians.

For the record she should have been burned at the stake for bengahzi (sic) alone, but didn't want this thread to detail off the topic at hand. As a 50year native Californian, it's disgusting what has happened to this point, and saddens me that those of us who lived our lives the right way and with respect for the law can't even buy a 22 to go plinking. Doesn't help when calgunners start attacking each other's political views. To each his/her own.

[Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by kingransom

Doesn't help when calgunners start attacking each other's political views.

Particularly when it is an ad hominem attack, and one with absolutely no basis in truth or any information presented... "You disagree with me so you're a fool who loves Hillary"

[chrifishtopher]

[Leonsampson]

Originally Posted by Kestryll

Beware of a buyer or seller named 'Mark Silva' using these numbers:
(858) 774-XX33
(858) 442-XX14
(858) 668-XX16

He is someone who has been banned over a dozen times, for problem transactions.
Formerly known as 'Track Rat', 'Stanced', 'HDPEguy', 'Quip' and more.
Usual M.O. is creating a new account after racking up negative iTrader ratings.

Wow one of those phone numbers is almost identical to my phone number. Only the second to last digit is off.

[Leonsampson]

Originally Posted by Kestryll

Unfortunately we have a new one to add to the list.

Gabriel Gonzalez

7808 Camino Raposa
San Diego, CA 92122

(760) 456-5679‬

Gabriel also uses the name 'Carlos' and has a history of flakey accounts going back to his original account 'the paper pimp'.

His latest account was used to take money in payment for a Noveske lower and parts and then never ship the items.

Do not do business with this individual unless you like being ripped off.

I always wondered what would stop someone on here or on armslist to just take my $$ and never send the item. That’s why I’d never buy anything unless it’s face to face, I guess.

[DB>]

Not going to "name names" at this point, but the lack of integrity in the CalGuns marketplace is pretty sad.

Just had a seller flake on 2 set meets (place and time committed) and then sell to someone else... very uncool and unprofessional. Had other "sellers" that proposed meets and then just backed out....

One "buyer" who said how reliable he was, only to cancel a couple hours before meeting, and apparently go buy from someone else...

I'm venting a bit, but somehow I'd expect people to have a little more integrity?! Too much to ask, I suppose...

[Guninator]

Originally Posted by ericgarretson

Are you people kidding, a verbal contract is a contract, and it is not concerning real estate, therefore it is a binding agreement between 2 parties. You can only go back on a contract if it is mutual, and not because somebody changed his mind, sorry your in an enforceable contract.

To be clear, this is not an completely accurate statement about the law in CA or any other state. Under the UCC (adopted by all states including California), sales of good contracts over $500 must be in writing and signed by both parties to be enforceable. If your gun was $500 or less then a verbal deal would be enforceable.

But yes it is annoying and should be grounds for dinging someone's feedback here if they back out after you run down to the bank and make a large cash withdrawal and then they back out.

[Caller #10]

[updated with calgunner name per advice]
Advice pls.
Selling an off-roster handgun, listed one day, buyer [Tegulife] with good (but old) iTrader ratings asks that I wait 2 weeks but offer full asking price and supplies their phone and email as goodwill. I accept, they post "I'll take it" and I wait 2 weeks.
A few texts back and forward, set a time, we meet, they have the cash, but the FFL doesn't like their paperwork. I hand them back their cash and agree to meet later at an FFL nearer my home when they can grab the correct paperwork.
They text me later and try change up the FFL location and time. I call them, they don't pick up. They call back later that day have a lame excuse for choosing their FFL and the deal is now dead. My gun is now listed again.
1. Do I post negative iTrader feedback for this Calgunner?
2. Is their flakiness just part of doing business online or have I described a buyer people should be warned about?
Done nothing other than re-post gun ad here [update - negative rating submitted]
Cheers

[Mike1616]

A deal was made. Not your fault he didn't have the paper work. You gave him more and he backed out. Flame em...

[Isleworth]

BEWARE OF THIS BUYER: SSick02

SSick02 (Buyer) sent PM "I'll take it". Starts to bargain on price and plays nickel and dime game to lower price to $1500 when I posted my price at $1,800. I agreed to deliver the Colt 1911 Govt pistol, BNIB for $1,700. I found an FFL to do a PPT. Buyer never answered back on a date and time to meet, instead he wants to offer me $1,500 for the Colt.

If buyer cannot afford the Colt, then don't send me a PM saying - "I'll take it".
You are wasting my time and I turned away prospective buyers who had the money to complete the sale.

This buyer is a total flake and cannot be trusted. I will not do business with this guy. A complete waste of time! F for Flake out!

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AFTER RECEIVING NEGATIVE FEEDBACK -

The buyer sent me a total of 20 texts on my phone ranting and raving about his negative feedback. He called me an "****ing *******, pig, dick, and ****ing mother****er. He threatened me in his texts. I have a complete record of every text he sent and I will be reporting him to Calguns admin due to his Foul language and uncivilized behavior.

He also threatened me that I have 1 day to remove the negative feedback!
I think he is the only psycho person here and has gone crazy after seeing that his ONLY feedback has been negative. No positive feedback I wonder why? He is not a decent person to deal with. Bottom line: If you are not happy with the price then "Don't Buy". There is no point in sending me a PM saying "I'll take the Colt" and then not completing the sale and trying to lower the price from $1,800 to $1,700 to $1,500? If you don't like the deal then "Don't Buy".

[Garv]

Originally Posted by Isleworth

BEWARE OF THIS BUYER: SSick02

SSick02 (Buyer) sent PM "I'll take it". Starts to bargain on price and plays nickel and dime game to lower price to $1500 when I posted my price at $1,800. I agreed to deliver the Colt 1911 Govt pistol, BNIB for $1,700. I found an FFL to do a PPT. Buyer never answered back on a date and time to meet, instead he wants to offer me $1,500 for the Colt.

If buyer cannot afford the Colt, then don't send me a PM saying - "I'll take it".
You are wasting my time and I turned away prospective buyers who had the money to complete the sale.

This buyer is a total flake and cannot be trusted. I will not do business with this guy. A complete waste of time! F for Flake out!

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AFTER RECEIVING NEGATIVE FEEDBACK -

The buyer sent me a total of 20 texts on my phone ranting and raving about his negative feedback. He called me an "****ing *******, pig, dick, and ****ing mother****er. He threatened me in his texts. I have a complete record of every text he sent and I will be reporting him to Calguns admin due to his Foul language and uncivilized behavior.

He also threatened me that I have 1 day to remove the negative feedback!
I think he is the only psycho person here and has gone crazy after seeing that his ONLY feedback has been negative. No positive feedback I wonder why? He is not a decent person to deal with. Bottom line: If you are not happy with the price then "Don't Buy". There is no point in sending me a PM saying "I'll take the Colt" and then not completing the sale and trying to lower the price from $1,800 to $1,700 to $1,500? If you don't like the deal then "Don't Buy".

Neutral feedback would have been appropriate per the Rules.
(But the name calling, etc. should be grounds for a ban.)

Edit: Looks like it got changed to neutral.

[sfe187]

Originally Posted by Isleworth

BEWARE OF THIS BUYER: SSick02

SSick02 (Buyer) sent PM "I'll take it". Starts to bargain on price and plays nickel and dime game to lower price to $1500 when I posted my price at $1,800. I agreed to deliver the Colt 1911 Govt pistol, BNIB for $1,700. I found an FFL to do a PPT. Buyer never answered back on a date and time to meet, instead he wants to offer me $1,500 for the Colt.

If buyer cannot afford the Colt, then don't send me a PM saying - "I'll take it".
You are wasting my time and I turned away prospective buyers who had the money to complete the sale.

This buyer is a total flake and cannot be trusted. I will not do business with this guy. A complete waste of time! F for Flake out!

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AFTER RECEIVING NEGATIVE FEEDBACK -

The buyer sent me a total of 20 texts on my phone ranting and raving about his negative feedback. He called me an "****ing *******, pig, dick, and ****ing mother****er. He threatened me in his texts. I have a complete record of every text he sent and I will be reporting him to Calguns admin due to his Foul language and uncivilized behavior.

He also threatened me that I have 1 day to remove the negative feedback!
I think he is the only psycho person here and has gone crazy after seeing that his ONLY feedback has been negative. No positive feedback I wonder why? He is not a decent person to deal with. Bottom line: If you are not happy with the price then "Don't Buy". There is no point in sending me a PM saying "I'll take the Colt" and then not completing the sale and trying to lower the price from $1,800 to $1,700 to $1,500? If you don't like the deal then "Don't Buy".

1000%

I had one where we agreed/confirmed on price and meet up date and time and ended with see you tomorrow and he said see you tomorrow. then 20 minutes later sends two unannounced text trade ideas, after I respectfully decline and both said again see you tomorrow, then 5 additional trade texts propositions!! I decline again and said good night see you tomorrow again.

Then 6am text came in said "I have bad news for you". I found the same firearm for less. So I checked and it was not the exact model, mine was higher model. Then buyer wants me to match the price to that different model which he thought it was the same. By this time I after all the bs after we agreed, I finally had it and said deal is off, have a nice day. then he sends 4 additional text wanting me to match. Then last text was "how come you are not responding?"

Relisted that morning and sold to a veteran Calgunner and ppt that day with no issues, same original price.

Yeah games playing idiots out there!! SMH

[Caller #10]

Originally Posted by Mike1616

A deal was made. Not your fault he didn't have the paper work. You gave him more and he backed out. Flame em...

Thanks. Thought on this but hassle I'm going thru now with re-listing having done so much for Tegulife warrants others being warned. He once had good ratings once but apparently a lot has happened in a year since his last one.

[billped]

Personal integrity is of critical importance to many (like me) but not to others. It's unfortunate that it's so incredibly difficult to see who has it and who doesn't, though the iTrader ratings are a reasonable view of that.

[2IDUSARMY]

Please Add this piece of **** to the list. Goes by Josh from OC.
FOREVER GHOSTED is his user name. Made we wait at Turners in Pasadena for an hour while he blocked my phone number. He's so dumb I called him with a blocked number and he answered. Sounded like a lame *** surfer dude with his head up his ***. Gave me some lame excuses and said he was still coming. I don't know what's wrong with these Losers. Thread is below.
What's up with these OC guys? A bunch of flakes or what.







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Originally Posted by Foreverghosted7

Hey man. Not sure if my first reply went though.
I'd be willing to drive up to Burbank. Text me if you can: 714-743-8397
My name is Josh.

[cgseanp1]

Originally Posted by 2IDUSARMY

Please Add this piece of **** to the list. Goes by Josh from OC.
FOREVER GHOSTED is his user name. Made we wait at Turners in Pasadena for an hour while he blocked my phone number. He's so dumb I called him with a blocked number and he answered. Sounded like a lame *** surfer dude with his head up his ***. Gave me some lame excuses and said he was still coming. I don't know what's wrong with these Losers. Thread is below.
What's up with these OC guys? A bunch of flakes or what.





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He registered a few days ago.. seems to be norm nowadays. I’m surprised he actually gave you his real number.

[1up]

Lmfao horrible

[Noobnoob!]

Beware of user "james34".

He replied to my WTB listing (with a price too good to be true) and when asked to meet at a local FFL to do the purchase/transfer he wants $ via Western Union first... Also sends fake feedback. POS scammer.





Fake feedback he sent:



His actual feedback

[Packy14]

Originally Posted by Cokebottle

At least he called to cancel.
Look back in the thread and you'll find people who have driven 100 miles and the seller (or buyer) was a no-show.

Nobody knows what happened in your case other than what you've told us.
Others have had personal experience, so they can rightly comment based on that.

As for calling people "Hillary lovers" because two people spoke up in support of Evil Dog, all I can say is WTF?
Making a mental note to never involve myself in a buy or sale with you.

Just add to ignore list... I can't remember all the *******s on here but my ignore list does

[Blasster1]

"IVNLOBO" This guy has a mp9 for sale 850obo i adked if 780 would be good enough and tells me to let him sleep on it, then bumps the listing the same day he post ad... after couple hours no buyer he sends me a pm asking if i can ppt next day i said yes , than tells me he to txt in the a.m i guess he was waiting for somebody to buy it or offer more, i sent him pm telling him i have another seller and didn't want to leave him hanging so asked if were a go? , he ask if i can ppt tomorrow a.m Again i said yes, a.m come around he agreed to take 780 if i can meet at either of 2 locations i said ok i can go to one of the 2 locations than Comes back saying he can't because he's working and now tells me he had a higher offer and expects me to match that. Long story short the guy sold to highest bidder and gives me a negative itrader because he backed out of sale and i didn't match price according to him i low balled him!!! How can that itrader even stand.??? . Because of him i missed out on another purchase and got my first negative itrader,, ridiculous.. I guess a man's word isn't what it used to be

[thejayrod]

beware of Pietrob92

this idiot made me take a day off of work to meet for a transfer in the burbank area and didnt keep his word.. he then replied a few days later apologizing willing to meet again.. i said ok and of course he dissapeared again.. his name is "shant"
phone number is (818) 307-0088

[j.gross12]

Beware of “hermie manahan” he is not a serious buyer and will ask you to contact him by posting on your marketplace listing. He has no idea what the details of the gun are and what he is trying to buy. His posts will look like this:

how many rds. was fired on this gun. txt me at 818 288 0286

[mmaaka]

man this **** sucks not even honest sellers here makes it hard for guys like me

[hvnnvh]

Charles Rhee (Break1995)
(714) ***-7572
North County San Diego

Made an offer and left a deposit on a firearm I had for sale for OVER a week. Confirmed our appointment the night before the transaction. BAILED 55 MIN BEFORE TRANSACTION!!! Don't waste your time with this individual.

[psssniper]

Well how big of a deposit and are you keeping it?

Originally Posted by hvnnvh

Charles Rhee (Break1995)
(714) ***-7572
North County San Diego

Made an offer and left a deposit on a firearm I had for sale for OVER a week. Confirmed our appointment the night before the transaction. BAILED 55 MIN BEFORE TRANSACTION!!! Don't waste your time with this individual.

[lostinsd82]

Originally Posted by psssniper

Well how big of a deposit and are you keeping it?

so you got a deposit? no harm no foul?

[beaton]

SSick02- Bought a handgun from me via PayPal and then told his cc company that he never received it. LGS confirmed via copy of delivered DROS that he picked up after he was delayed. PayPal now is threatening to put me in collections because he still won’t tell his cc company the charge was valid. He’s had the TRP full rail for over 2 months and is trying to make me use law enforcement/civil intervention to not end up in collections. Won’t reply to any messages and has his money and the firearm. Sellers Beware, Buyers for that matter too. He might be selling a gun he never paid for.

[Skip_Dog]

^ thanks for the heads up. Sucks. Do you have any texts or emails closing the deal? Keep them and fight paypal. And maybe ask the ffl for a copy of the pick up paper work for le.

[sfe187]

Originally Posted by beaton

SSick02- Bought a handgun from me via PayPal and then told his cc company that he never received it. LGS confirmed via copy of delivered DROS that he picked up after he was delayed. PayPal now is threatening to put me in collections because he still won’t tell his cc company the charge was valid. He’s had the TRP full rail for over 2 months and is trying to make me use law enforcement/civil intervention to not end up in collections. Won’t reply to any messages and has his money and the firearm. Sellers Beware, Buyers for that matter too. He might be selling a gun he never paid for.

Is there a reason why you accept payment using PayPal? As you know PayPal is already anti A2 but when doing ftf transactions, always CASH in hand before DROS. Neve trust anyone! I hope you learned from this incident. All the best.

[beaton]

Originally Posted by sfe187

Is there a reason why you accept payment using PayPal? As you know PayPal is already anti A2 but when doing ftf transactions, always CASH in hand before DROS. Neve trust anyone! I hope you learned from this incident. All the best.

I definitely did learn and PayPal was....wait for it....his request. There’s actually more to this story as the whole transaction was less than smooth. Funny thing is while the initial transaction was taking place there were some issues and I was more than accommodating as I didn’t get my actual payment until 5 days into his background. He got delayed and assumed it was my fault because the gun he bought was originally DROS to my wife, a fact I willing shared with him because I knew it wasn’t causing the delay. I didn’t realize that it was hers until after the sale but was told by multiple ffls, le, and DOJ that the delay would not be triggered from that, delays are triggered on the buyers side only (unless the gun has been reported stolen, which isn’t the case here) and in this case most likely because the transaction was within a week or two of the government shut down in January, so likely had nothing to do with anything other than a backlog and constrained resources.He actually seemed like a good guy initially and we talked about how we are both family men and have more important things in life than to get upset over a less than smooth transaction. If he were to just pay what he agreed and initially did pay then I would redact all of this and chalk it up to a misunderstanding. However, as things currently sit, I feel I have a duty to inform the calgun community about his actions. For all I know he does this intentionally and then resells the guns he never actually paid for. Since he won’t reply to me via text, email, or private message here it feels like he’s gone dark on me and maybe this isn’t the first time. Going through the small claims process is a pain and most probably won’t go through all of it hoping they collect so this kind of behavior is made possible. I hope I’m wrong and he reaches out, if he does I’ll repost. Cash only and don’t assume people have the same morals as you do just because you’ve got a few things in common.

[DB>]

Get copies of the DROS, and any shipping/tracking information proving "chain of custody" from seller to buyer. PayPal should have notified you of a CC dispute AKA a "charge back" being filed, and you have a time to respond with FACTS proving the receipt by the buyer. Hopefully you are still within that response window and providing proof that the "buyer" received what they paid for will keep the "dispute" open with some chance you aren't screwed. TIME is critical in responding.

If the card holder is different from the actual buyer, you also need to prove the relationship (i.e., if he used the wife's card with HER name on it, and SHE says she didn't order it, you're in the tough position of showing he was an authorized user on HER card, or at least had "easy access" to use the card that the cardholder knew or should have known about).

You're in a tough spot, the CC company/bank will ALWAYS "protect" their "customer", unless you have solid proof showing the cardholder is making a false claim (and fraudsters assume you won't take the time or trouble to defend a false "charge back" claim).

PayPal will ALWAYS put you in the position of defending any CC fraud claim, except in VERY limited circumstances (such as an ebay transaction where there is a strong electronic trail, and even in those you are still presumed "guilty" while they investigate). Sometimes, if you are a long time user, and the amount is not too much, they will step up to "cover" the exposure while it's being resolved/investigated.

Hope this will help you get this resolved, and that you are still within the response window - if you've let that pass, sometimes a call to Paypal can get things re-opened, but don't count on it. Depending on the amount involved and the documentation you can provide, PayPal can also decide a "no fault" and cover you as a courtesy (again, don't count on it, but at higher levels of customer support they do have options for "good customers" that are being screwed through no fault of their own).

[sfe187]

Originally Posted by beaton

I definitely did learn and PayPal was....wait for it....his request. There’s actually more to this story as the whole transaction was less than smooth. Funny thing is while the initial transaction was taking place there were some issues and I was more than accommodating as I didn’t get my actual payment until 5 days into his background. He got delayed and assumed it was my fault because the gun he bought was originally DROS to my wife, a fact I willing shared with him because I knew it wasn’t causing the delay. I didn’t realize that it was hers until after the sale but was told by multiple ffls, le, and DOJ that the delay would not be triggered from that, delays are triggered on the buyers side only (unless the gun has been reported stolen, which isn’t the case here) and in this case most likely because the transaction was within a week or two of the government shut down in January, so likely had nothing to do with anything other than a backlog and constrained resources.He actually seemed like a good guy initially and we talked about how we are both family men and have more important things in life than to get upset over a less than smooth transaction. If he were to just pay what he agreed and initially did pay then I would redact all of this and chalk it up to a misunderstanding. However, as things currently sit, I feel I have a duty to inform the calgun community about his actions. For all I know he does this intentionally and then resells the guns he never actually paid for. Since he won’t reply to me via text, email, or private message here it feels like he’s gone dark on me and maybe this isn’t the first time. Going through the small claims process is a pain and most probably won’t go through all of it hoping they collect so this kind of behavior is made possible. I hope I’m wrong and he reaches out, if he does I’ll repost. Cash only and don’t assume people have the same morals as you do just because you’ve got a few things in common.

Like DB have said, try to fight it with PayPal with proof and see what happens. When I looked your buyer's history here, its interesting he is out of Elk Grove but will also posts "I'll take it" on handgun ads for Los Angeles and San Diego too. Maybe he travels maybe not. He was logged in yesterday. In this case I would 100% put a negative feedback so the rest of the members will know this incident as not everyone reads this beware thread. tracking him down is not hard, all depends on what course of action you want out of it. Yeah this sucks, hate to see a member gets ripped off cash and gun. it pisses me off actually.