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View Poll Results: Which do you prefer in relation to .22 LR and AR's?
Conversion Kit 5 6.41%
Dedicated Upper 26 33.33%
Dedicated Rifle 35 44.87%
I don't believe in shooting .22LR in an AR 5 6.41%
Whichever comes with the best Bacon option 7 8.97%
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Old 07-21-2021, 11:15 PM
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Default AR Preference - .22 LR Conversion Kit or Dedicated Upper or Dedicated Rifle?

It's been a running debate for years on Calguns and I don't see it ending soon. But, I thought it might be interesting to put some 'numbers' to the back on forth insofar as which is preferred in relation to .22 LR and AR's - a Conversion Kit or a Dedicated Upper or Dedicated Rifle. Do you prefer...

Conversion Kit
Dedicated Upper
Dedicated Rifle
I don't believe in shooting .22 LR in an AR
Whichever comes with the best Bacon option

Feel free to expound on the "why."

Once again, I don't have a dog in the hunt. It's as much a stray thought at this time of night as anything else.
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Well I could not choose two..But definitely a dedicated complete Rifle is the wise option..Dedicated upper to fit your existing lower is fine too..Not a big deal to swap the upper..Drop in conversion if you are more budget minded..
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Old 07-22-2021, 6:00 AM
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Dedicated rifle if you have space in the safe (Tippman here), dedicated upper if not.

22lr is such a dirty round, with various waxy/greasy lubricants and most modern ARs having barrel twists much tighter (double) twist rates, chance of barrel leading, etc. makes conversion kit for me much less desirable
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Most people miss the obvious reasons why to make a dedicated 22 upper. Most AR-15 barrels are between 1:7 and 1:9 twist... This is way too fast a twist rate for a 40 grain bullet therefore causing it to tumble. Most if not all 22 barrels are 1:16 twist. I personally have a dedicated 22 AR and it shoots a hundred times better than my conversion ever did.

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While I get why people will shoot 22lr with an AR, either a conversion or dedicated rifle/carbine. It’s never been something I’ve been interested in, when I shoot my AR’s it’s 556. Have other rifles in 22lr that I enjoy shooting, never really cared to blur the lines.

It’s not that I don’t believe in shooting 22lr with an AR, it’s just I don’t care too.
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I put a CMMG conversion in my AR ONLY to go around commie foryuh's AW laws ! In Minnesota now for 3-4 months and then on to Tennessee and out it comes and back into the kit box. No issues here in Minnesota, just not ready to fool with it unless the big green weenie hits the propeller before the next move.

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I've been through several conversions and uppers and the only one I have left is the PSA one. Price was great, and it has been awesome and great fun. The Chiappa worked, but was cheap and chintzy, and the conversion bolts are almost as much as I paid for the whole PSA upper. Magazines matter. A 500 round box of Thunderbolts and a bunch of steel targets is great fun until you run out. And 30 bucks, instead of a couple hundred.

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My S&W M&P 15-22 and M&P 15 Sport II are perfect companions.
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I prefer my dedicated PSA upper on AR lower with Boonie Packer adapter to accept S&W M&P mags with last round bolt hold open. This exempt rimfire configuration allows for all the "evil features" without centerfire hassles, yet I always know that there is a spare complete lower there if needed.

I have both but I prefer the AR-22 to the S&W M&P 15-22. I think the 15-22 is a little too "light" for me and I would rather shoot an older Marlin or .22 cal lever gun if I'm not shooting the AR-22.

I had almost 5,000 rounds through my AR-22 without problems until I finally broke a firing pin. Just replaced it and need to get it back to the range.

While I like shooing 556, with a suitable pre-COVID 22 stash, it is a lot cheaper to shoot the AR-22 on a more regular basis
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While I get why people will shoot 22lr with an AR, either a conversion or dedicated rifle/carbine. It’s never been something I’ve been interested in, when I shoot my AR’s it’s 556. Have other rifles in 22lr that I enjoy shooting, never really cared to blur the lines.

It’s not that I don’t believe in shooting 22lr with an AR, it’s just I don’t care too.
They are not only great fun..Much much cheaper to feed..And if you ever escape CA..Get a Binary trigger..More fun than a barrel of monkeys as they say..I have several 5.56 ARs..This .22 is the one that goes out with me most often, and is the most fun by a very long shot..I cannot afford to blast away 5.56 for fun anymore..I have piles of cheap .22 rounds though..

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I don’t care for a lot of loose parts.
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Dedicated Upper = Dedicated Rifle
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I prefer ARs to be centerfire, but I'd go the dedicated rifle route if I was inclined. Far more pluses than minuses. Removes a lot of error possibilities.

My 7.62x39 AR has different color furniture and 7.62 engraved on dust cover to prevent confusion. Mixing parts around could lead to problems.
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I have both and out to 130 yards they both perform exactly the same. The biggest difference that's been pointed out by others is the twist rates of the barrel. That being said, if I had to choose one and I was strictly going to shoot 22 long rifle of course I would pick a dedicated rifle that was built around the 22 LR round. Of course the option of shooting either 22 or 223, 556 out of a normal AR upper can also be a major deciding factor for somebody. You just have to decide what you're going to be shooting
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A dedicated upper is the best choice for any serious shooting. The rifling twist is incorrect in an AR for .22lr. The gun will shoot but performance suffers. I built a dedicated upper with a Beyer barrel and it kills squirrels all day long out to 75 yards as my eyes are limiting me.
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Many of the dedicated rifle are just plastic uni-frame. I don't see the point.
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As I said in the OP, I don't have a dog in the hunt.

I can see advantages and disadvantages to each option, particularly in California with our 'maze' of laws related to so-called "assault weapons."

With that said, I could see a dedicated upper for many of the reasons cited above. However, a dedicated rifle might be worth the extra investment in this State. But, a lot of the justification for either is going to be dependent upon how much you actually shoot the thing and for what purpose.

A conversion kit is something I see as a potential 'bonus' for a go bag - IF - your primary rifle is going to be an AR. There are a few which are 'accurate enough' for the occasional squirrel/rabbit.

A dedicated upper is a less expensive alternative to a rifle, has the advantage of an actual .22 LR barrel, and can be mated to an existing lower for an AR. However, in this State, it can potentially create 'issues' (legal and otherwise) depending on how you configure your lower vis a vis its so-called "assault weapon" configuration. (Yes. Legal, at least in the sense of "looking like," opening you up to questions being asked.)

A dedicated rifle obviates most of the issues surrounding so-called "assault weapons" once the questions are being asked. But, for my purposes, were I looking for a dedicated .22 rifle, I'm not sure one in an AR configuration would be my choice over, say, a 10/22, Marlin 60, or a CZ bolt action. As a 'survival rifle,' a dedicated upper or, more likely, a conversion kit would seem to be a 'better' alternative in the grand scheme of things.

That's my, personal take on them. YMMV. Having played with all three types, I've come to the conclusion that all can be 'fun to play with.' But, again, that's why I asked which you prefer.
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As I said in the OP, I don't have a dog in the hunt.

I can see advantages and disadvantages to each option, particularly in California with our 'maze' of laws related to so-called "assault weapons."

With that said, I could see a dedicated upper for many of the reasons cited above. However, a dedicated rifle might be worth the extra investment in this State. But, a lot of the justification for either is going to be dependent upon how much you actually shoot the thing and for what purpose.

A conversion kit is something I see as a potential 'bonus' for a go bag - IF - your primary rifle is going to be an AR. There are a few which are 'accurate enough' for the occasional squirrel/rabbit.

A dedicated upper is a less expensive alternative to a rifle, has the advantage of an actual .22 LR barrel, and can be mated to an existing lower for an AR. However, in this State, it can potentially create 'issues' (legal and otherwise) depending on how you configure your lower vis a vis its so-called "assault weapon" configuration. (Yes. Legal, at least in the sense of "looking like," opening you up to questions being asked.)

A dedicated rifle obviates most of the issues surrounding so-called "assault weapons" once the questions are being asked. But, for my purposes, were I looking for a dedicated .22 rifle, I'm not sure one in an AR configuration would be my choice over, say, a 10/22, Marlin 60, or a CZ bolt action. As a 'survival rifle,' a dedicated upper or, more likely, a conversion kit would seem to be a 'better' alternative in the grand scheme of things.

That's my, personal take on them. YMMV. Having played with all three types, I've come to the conclusion that all can be 'fun to play with.' But, again, that's why I asked which you prefer.
Well believe me I have Model 60s, Marlin Lever actions and many, many more .22 Rifles and Handguns in addition to the AR dedicated Rifle..You do not have to limit yourself to only one .22

Everyone who enjoys Rimfire, should have at least one dedicate Rifle in the AR platform..I am not talking a plastic proprietary design SW MP22, or God forbid a Colt M4 cheapo one, or one of the other knockoff plastic crappers that are out there..I am talking a "real" one like mine..
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I'm in the dedicated upper AND shooting other 22 rifles category.

Shooting those 22 conversion kits is suboptimal as mentioned by others (as well as discussed ad nauseam at AR15.com. The accuracy issues as well as cycling that dirty ammo through the gun makes it a no go for me. If I was only shooting 22 once in a blue moon with no care about real accuracy, it would be ok (and to fire some regular centerfires after shooting the 22lr rounds to clear out the gas system).

In reality, after I got my expensive *** CMMG 22 upper and magazines, I didn't really shoot it much because all my shooting time was taken up by my CZ 457 and later on, a 10/22 that I got for appleseed. The CMMG 22 upper goes on a Franklin CA7 AR pistol. Perhaps I'll shoot that more during covidian times if the ammogedon continues into the fall and next year.

if money was no issue, and I was in no rush to wait for it to be made, I would like to try out a 16 inch CMMG 22 upper. I think there is great value in being able to shoot AR rifle and pistol uppers on your regular lower to be able to train using your "good" trigger, grip, and stock set up. Getting a dedicated plastic 22 AR with a funky trigger and different overall setup would be suboptimal. If you're gonna spend money on a nice geissele or Larue trigger, you might as well try to train using 22 ammo too.

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Dedicated upper is my preference. I tried the conversion kit from CMMG and got frustrated by its lack of accuracy. So I put together an upper and Iím much happier with it.

I think a dedicated AR is a waste. The system allows for quick changes that donít really negatively affect the shooting. Swap the upper and the magazines and youíre ready to go.

I am looking to buy a bolt action 22lr rifle now. But thatís because Iíve got kids getting to the age when they can be taken shooting.


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I started my kids way back on a little Cricket single shot..Still have it and the grand kids are just about ready it for it now..
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Dedicated rifle. Mine is built on a 80% lower I had engraved with Mattel Firearms, sons birthdate as the serial and converted to A1 specs.

CMMG barrel/bolt assembly/Bravo Company handguard with A1 stock and pistol grip. An "almost" twin of one of my carbines and thus much less expensive to train with. Got a ton of freedom week mags, load up before I leave home and play..

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I use the cmmg conversion bolt. Great for running steel drills close in when I donít want to shoot my 6951 9mm carbine or spend $$$ on frangible 556. Accurate enough to clear a shoot house on steel or ipsc targets.


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I know this is an AR thread, but this gem deserves mentioning. Itís my German army HK .22lr conversion trainer kit for the G3 (and hk91/ptr91). Holy crap what an amazing piece of equipment. I shoot more .22lr through my 7.62 roller lockers than I do actual 7.62 rounds. 200 yard shots on steel all day long with this kit. Super accurate, 100% function. Even the mags are weighted to simulate loaded 20 round 7.62 mags.




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I know this is an AR thread, but this gem deserves mentioning. Itís my German army HK .22lr conversion trainer kit for the G3 (and hk91/ptr91). Holy crap what an amazing piece of equipment. I shoot more .22lr through my 7.62 roller lockers than I do actual 7.62 rounds. 200 yard shots on steel all day long with this kit. Super accurate, 100% function. Even the mags are weighted to simulate loaded 20 round 7.62 mags.




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I know this is an AR thread, but this gem deserves mentioning. Itís my German army HK .22lr conversion trainer kit for the G3 (and hk91/ptr91). Holy crap what an amazing piece of equipment. I shoot more .22lr through my 7.62 roller lockers than I do actual 7.62 rounds. 200 yard shots on steel all day long with this kit. Super accurate, 100% function. Even the mags are weighted to simulate loaded 20 round 7.62 mags.




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Most def a collectors item! So clean and organized...German engineering and precision.
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Given how poorly the conversion kit option is doing in the poll, I thought it might prove interesting to compare what was said on YouTube about the CMMG kit 9 years ago, back in October of last year, and six months ago.





I'm not 'promoting' anything. I just find the 'enthusiasm' for the CMMG conversion kit on YouTube an interesting juxtaposition to the results of this poll.
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I almost got the conversion kit many times before I got an actual CMMG complete upper because of those reviews most likely... the upper was a steal back then for some reason, sale or something. After that it just made sense to pair it with a lower that I had delegated as a backup since I had tried one polymer lower and didn't love it. Do love it on a light .22 build tho.
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TIPPMAN ARMS ELITE OR GSG 16-22.
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Well it's Depends that's why i choose Whichever comes with the best Bacon option.
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Was in the same debate in my head about 4 months ago.i bought an hk 416 22,and have t looked back.My only gripe is the trigger,otherwise its been great.I just bought a second one for wife and kiddo to plink with as well,now its time for that magic supply line of 22
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Conversion bolt = misses, a lot.

Dedicated upper = hits.
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