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Old 07-26-2020, 5:18 PM
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Default Famous Aviators Presentation Shotgun???

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I need some advice on getting data on a shotgun.
It's a Commemorative 1945 Winchester Model 12 Trap, presented to Greg "Pappy" Boyington, with a medallion of the presentation date and location in the butt stock.
I'd like to find out if it was a one of, or a series, and value.

Thanks for any help, PAX
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I can't help with the info but Pappy was an awesome guy !

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I should think it would have some value since it was Pappy’s.
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Anyone can made a disc or plaque. How are going to actually authenticate that any gun with a plaque was actually given to, or was owned by a particular person?

Is the gun listed as being in a actual museum? Any photos of the gun with the person who it was supposedly given to?

Is it documented in any book?

Without any actual documentation it's a gun with a plaque.

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Anyone can made a disc or plaque. How are going to actually authenticate that any gun with a plaque was actually given to, or was owned by a particular person?

Is the gun listed as being in a actual museum? Any photos of the gun with the person who it was supposedly given to?

Is it documented in any book?

Without any actual documentation it's a gun with a plaque.

Buy the gun not the story.
That wasn't much help SVT. It's not my first rodeo.

The gun has been in my friend's possession for 20 years and the questions you posed are the types of questions we're researching. It's not for sale

The medallion is on the bottom curved portion of the stock, and is curved as well. Is a strange coincidence that Boyington was a POW until September of 1945. The serial is #1007986

Any idea how to post pictures off my phone? PAX
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How about TRAP55?
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Model 12 serial #1007986 was made in 1942, with a record production of 105,207 made that year.
Majority of those made, went to the military as Trench guns, or Trap models for Aerial Gunnery training. Polishing Room records are available for that year, but they will probably only show the lot numbers for for each shipment.
The gun wouldn't be a "Commemorative", it most likely was a "Presentation". IF genuine, a brass plaque in the stock, is just a decoration without bonafides. The first step in tracking those down, is finding out "Who" did the presenting.
The 1942 DOM, and the later date of presentation wouldn't be uncommon. Presentation guns were often sent back to Winchester for wood upgrades and engraving. IF Winchester had it back for that, good probability that info would be in a Cody letter.
Pics will tell more, if you can email them to me, I can post em up for you. Proof marks on the barrel, receiver, and bottom of the barrel under the forearm.
Have you looked under the butt pad for any papers?
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This must be one of my long lost shotguns, it has my name stamped on it.lol




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nice looking wood. Could be Pappys thumb print on there
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Lol @Trap

I bet thats a beautiful gun. I can only see a little of the wood, but looks purdy.
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I bet thats a beautiful gun. I can only see a little of the wood, but looks purdy.
It's very nice with no handling damage. The but has a raised cheek piece, like a Monty Carlo. PAX
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It is the challenge of the research that makes old guns fun. It could have been given to him by a grateful group or a commanding officer that respected what the man did. Good luck
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yes- wish there were more pics of that wood! having seen so many beaters, the immaculate condition of that stock only makes me want to think it has to be a modern build. It's just beautiful for a 1945. Kudos to current and former owners who took such good care of it.
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What a pretty shotgun. Is that disc made of silver? I hope you post updates as you find out more through your research!
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If liget, it's looking like it was a gift from the Okanogan community, givin to him as a special guest of honor, or parade grand Marshall, upon his return to the states. PAX
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If liget, it's looking like it was a gift from the Okanogan community, givin to him as a special guest of honor, or parade grand Marshall, upon his return to the states. PAX

Nice looking shotgun and it might have an intriquing story.

Did your friend say how he acquired the gun?
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A phone call to the county historical society might yield information...

https://www.historylink.org/File/10798

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Contact pappy boyington museum to see if they have any info. they have his memoirs.
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https://www.historylink.org/File/10798

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The historical society is Covid closed but we're reaching out to the local newspapers in Brewster and Okanogan. He was there for a parade honoring him late in '45. His attendance would have been a big deal and the papers would have covered the event. PAX
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UPDATE

We've found a couple news articles from UWS microfiche files.

On September 17th Boyington arrived in Seattle and was the key note speaker at some event.
He then went to Okanogan on the 24th of September, where he was the guest of honor, and a parade was given on his behalf, Lt. Colonel Gregory "Pappy" Boyington. 18000 attended parade, the largest event to date. And more than 4 times the population of Okanogan.

We're PRESUMING that the shotgun was given at the evening's banquet. We're in the process of trying to contact surviving relatives or event organizers for any photos, documents or recollections.

Regardless, it's looking like it's the real deal. PAX
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Regardless, it's looking like it's the real deal. PAX
That would be so frigging awesome, if it is! Fingers crossed!
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Contact pappy boyington museum to see if they have any info. they have his memoirs.
The Boyington museum on Coeur d Lane airport, AKA Boyington Field, has been closed for several years, but their website is active. PAX
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A quick google search yielded this: https://www.historylink.org/File/10798 Excerpt: “ On September 17 Seattle was one of the stops and had a welcome home at its Victory Square. A band performed and the distinguished speakers included Governor Monrad "Mon" Wallgren (1891-1961). Following the Seattle event, Major Boyington headed to the small community of Brewster, in Okanogan County, where his family was living. Two hundred school children lined the street to greet the hero. Later a parade was held in Okanogan, where 15,000, many times the town population, cheered the hero.”

Also this: https://issuu.com/omakchronicle/docs...he_okanogan/45
Which adds details to the celebration you mention above.

While none of this specifically mentions the presentation of a shotgun (or anything else) it might make sense the community would honor an “adopted” native son.

Or it could be that someone in the community, at a later date, created and affixed the plaque to the shotgun in order to both honor Boyington and commemorate the event and that Boyington never had any actual contact with the weapon.
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There's a lot of possibilities, but I don't believe that the "medallion" was done by Winchester, mainly based on the timing of the events. Usually takes months for the custom shop to through put projects. More likely a local Smith did the work. PAX
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